[quote]MaazerSmiit wrote:
A guy with one arm can still seriously hurt you if he has a knife and you’re backed into a corner in cramped conditions. No guarantee that you’ll manage to grab his wrist (or whatever you do in that situation) on the first try, and then you’re even closer to the guy and potentially off balance.
Wouldn’t be hard to back a guy into a corner in cramped conditions, even in a wheelchair. You can push, ride momentum, and swing your shiny metal object. Or just have an electric wheelchair, which seems likely for a person incapable of pushing on both sides.
The officer had previous experience with a man waving a shiny metal object around and causing someone serious harm.[/quote]
It just astounds me that so many other professions, without being equipped with tazers, or batons or pepper spray, or anything, deal with these situations without killing anyone.
[quote]MaazerSmiit wrote:
A guy with one arm can still seriously hurt you if he has a knife and you’re backed into a corner in cramped conditions. No guarantee that you’ll manage to grab his wrist (or whatever you do in that situation) on the first try, and then you’re even closer to the guy and potentially off balance.
Wouldn’t be hard to back a guy into a corner in cramped conditions, even in a wheelchair. You can push, ride momentum, and swing your shiny metal object. Or just have an electric wheelchair, which seems likely for a person incapable of pushing on both sides.
The officer had previous experience with a man waving a shiny metal object around and causing someone serious harm.[/quote]
It wasn’t a metal pen it was merely shiny plastic.
You guys are trolling right?
DD man was pissed because he wanted smokes and soda…close enough to skittles and tea?
This is why run of the mill coppers in the UK don’t carry firearms.
It amazes me that a trained policeman can be so insecure and feel so threatened that they decide to end someones life like that.
The most indefensible thing about it is that people in various other professions (e.g. nursing, security guards, therapists and councilors etc etc) routinely find themselves in situations like this and manage not to kill anyone. As the guy who was living below him is quoted as saying ‘he flipped out a bit occassionally but YOU JUST IGNORE IT’.
To the people saying ‘oh, well the officer was threatened, who knows what the disabled guy was carrying’ if you or a member of your family was mentally ill, disabled, or even just having a really bad day, would you consider a policeman feeling threatened by what in fact are relatively harmless actions justification for you/your loved ones death.
[quote]adrenalinx wrote:
Best way to avoid getting shot by a copper (whether your in a wheelchair or not) is to not wave a metal object at him in an aggressive manner. Im pretty sure he wasnt asking for his autograph when waving the pen. Im also sure he was warned and the copper didnt just pull his gun out and pop him one right between the eyes. Maybe he shouldnt have shot to kill, but who knows what happened.
amputees can still be very dangerous and the officers safety is his main concern.
or i may be wrong, he may be a total trigger happy prick who abuses his position. Either way people are generally more respectful towards American police and most people just laugh at ours in England, despite most of them doing a good job with little resources and human rights getting in the way of just about everything
rant over. Not been a good day
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lol they aren’t more respectful, they are just more scared. At least in the uk there is some idea that the police have responsibility to the people around them as well as to themselves.
[quote]MaazerSmiit wrote:
A guy with one arm can still seriously hurt you if he has a knife and you’re backed into a corner in cramped conditions. No guarantee that you’ll manage to grab his wrist (or whatever you do in that situation) on the first try, and then you’re even closer to the guy and potentially off balance.
Wouldn’t be hard to back a guy into a corner in cramped conditions, even in a wheelchair. You can push, ride momentum, and swing your shiny metal object. Or just have an electric wheelchair, which seems likely for a person incapable of pushing on both sides.
The officer had previous experience with a man waving a shiny metal object around and causing someone serious harm.[/quote]
It just astounds me that so many other professions, without being equipped with tazers, or batons or pepper spray, or anything, deal with these situations without killing anyone. [/quote]
[quote]MaazerSmiit wrote:
A guy with one arm can still seriously hurt you if he has a knife and you’re backed into a corner in cramped conditions. No guarantee that you’ll manage to grab his wrist (or whatever you do in that situation) on the first try, and then you’re even closer to the guy and potentially off balance.
Wouldn’t be hard to back a guy into a corner in cramped conditions, even in a wheelchair. You can push, ride momentum, and swing your shiny metal object. Or just have an electric wheelchair, which seems likely for a person incapable of pushing on both sides.
The officer had previous experience with a man waving a shiny metal object around and causing someone serious harm.[/quote]
It just astounds me that so many other professions, without being equipped with tazers, or batons or pepper spray, or anything, deal with these situations without killing anyone. [/quote]
Yeah well, pizza drivers and UPS guys are practically demi gods, no mere mortal could hope to achieve their level of manliness.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
The guy was in a WHEELCHAIR! A chair on wheels! WHEELS!
Why didn’t the trigger-happy douche-badge just kick the wheelchair away?[/quote]
If the guy in the wheelchair was head on with you, you would have to kick him in the stomach, thus exposing your leg for a nice puncture wound.
If he was sideways, you wouldn’t get very far kicking the chair as it wouldn’t really move. Depending on which side, again you expose yourself for a stab wound.
I’d like to know if this was an motorized wheelchair. Ever try to move one of those things?
I bet the cop walked in and immediately dismissed this guy as a threat because he was an amputee in a wheelchair and then Stubby got the drop on him.
[quote]MaazerSmiit wrote:
A guy with one arm can still seriously hurt you if he has a knife and you’re backed into a corner in cramped conditions. No guarantee that you’ll manage to grab his wrist (or whatever you do in that situation) on the first try, and then you’re even closer to the guy and potentially off balance.
Wouldn’t be hard to back a guy into a corner in cramped conditions, even in a wheelchair. You can push, ride momentum, and swing your shiny metal object. Or just have an electric wheelchair, which seems likely for a person incapable of pushing on both sides.
The officer had previous experience with a man waving a shiny metal object around and causing someone serious harm.[/quote]
It just astounds me that so many other professions, without being equipped with tazers, or batons or pepper spray, or anything, deal with these situations without killing anyone. [/quote]
Most EMS and Fire services have policies to not deal with armed people until the police show up. Most of the time the police are first to respond anyway. They have more units on the road and their vehicles are faster. Of course, routine medical calls go sideways and yes, EMS personnel can be exposed to a dangerous person, but are not expected to apprehend or neutralize the threat. That is the difference.
[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
The Officer was in a crowded, confined area with an erratic, mentally ill man trying to stab him with something shiny. Given the circumstances, I may have fired too. [/quote]
I hope you are being sarcastic.
Lets think through the process of a fucking ONE ARMED man both moving his wheelchair in such a fashion as to corner you while at the same time threatening you with his ONE FUCKING ARM.[/quote]
No and neither one of us know what happened beyond the details in the news story. You are being too quick to judge when you don’t know all the facts. I seriously doubt the Officer was having such a bad day that he just decided to off some disabled guy for shits and giggles.
Besides, my mother in law’s boyfriend has one arm and he’s an ASSHOLE.
[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
The Officer was in a crowded, confined area with an erratic, mentally ill man trying to stab him with something shiny. Given the circumstances, I may have fired too. [/quote]
I hope you are being sarcastic.
Lets think through the process of a fucking ONE ARMED man both moving his wheelchair in such a fashion as to corner you while at the same time threatening you with his ONE FUCKING ARM.[/quote]
No and neither one of us know what happened beyond the details in the news story. You are being too quick to judge when you don’t know all the facts. I seriously doubt the Officer was having such a bad day that he just decided to off some disabled guy for shits and giggles.
Besides, my mother in law’s boyfriend has one arm and he’s an ASSHOLE.[/quote]
I bet he stabs your birthday balloons with something shiny.
[quote]bdocksaints75 wrote:
…wait wait there was 2 cops there Wtf [/quote]
This. Maybe you guys missed this part. The guy who got “cornered” wasn’t even the one who shot the dude. It was his PARTNER.
From the article:
“Fearing for his partner’s safety and his own safety, he discharged his weapon,” Silva told The Associated Press.
So instead of coming up behind him and rolling him backwards away from his partner using the nifty handles on the back of the chair, he shot him.
Edit: Unless I’m reading it wrong. I guess the guy cornered COULD have been the shooter and used his partner’s safety as more justification. So if the cornered officer was the one shooting, what was his partner doing? Standing around? Again, why couldn’t the partner just roll the dude backwards? or flip the damn thing on the ground so dude was on his back?
Maybe the cornered officer already had his weapon out and he said to himself “My partner’s crazy, he’s gonna shoot this guy, I’m not going ANYWHERE near them!”.
[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
The Officer was in a crowded, confined area with an erratic, mentally ill man trying to stab him with something shiny. Given the circumstances, I may have fired too. [/quote]
I hope you are being sarcastic.
Lets think through the process of a fucking ONE ARMED man both moving his wheelchair in such a fashion as to corner you while at the same time threatening you with his ONE FUCKING ARM.[/quote]
No and neither one of us know what happened beyond the details in the news story. You are being too quick to judge when you don’t know all the facts. I seriously doubt the Officer was having such a bad day that he just decided to off some disabled guy for shits and giggles.
Besides, my mother in law’s boyfriend has one arm and he’s an ASSHOLE.[/quote]
I bet he stabs your birthday balloons with something shiny.[/quote]
