[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
As parents, we prepare our children to be adults. You’re doing your child a disservice by thinking your shielding them from harm by not allowing them to express themselves.[/quote]
How’s this quote then? Fucking guy…[/quote]
Outstanding and spot on.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]IchibodCrane wrote:
This conversation is just silly. Boys don’t wear dresses. Life isn’t a high school, anti-establishment punk rock clique. Even those dudes outgrow their bullshit.[/quote]
Then let them outgrow it.
I thought I remembered you saying that you had a son. What would you tell him if he wanted to wear a dress around the house? Or how about to the playground?
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No. Age would determine explanation, if any.
[quote]csulli wrote:
Are you fucking serious? What kind of dumbass feels confident in making that claim about someone he’s never met for even 30 seconds? Now I feel like I’ve wasted my time reading all your posts, because as it turns out, you’re just an idiot.
From reading Cortez’s posts, I didn’t get the picture AT ALL that he instituted some rigid authoritarian environment where individual expression is repressed. I can scarcely believe you are that stupid.[/quote]
I reread what I wrote and it really is that bad, isn’t it?
Rather than defend what I wrote, I’ll just apologize to Cortez. It was an inane thing to say and did absolutely nothing to advance the discussion and for that, I’m sorry. I can only blame it on my lack of coffee, and trying to spit out half-formed thoughts in between bits of work.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
Wait HoustonGuy has a son?
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I thought so. I remember a thread about disciplining children where HG and BG went back and forth about spanking. I’m pretty sure he said he had a son in that thread and was pro-spanking. BG felt that spanking was ineffective. HG was tied up in knots attempting to explain why if spanking is so effective, he needs to keep doing it.
I might be wrong.
On a completely different note, I always thought it was “Ichibob”.
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I remember BG reconsidering at the end of it all. That was a fun thread to lurk.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
Reread the sentences you quoted. I didn’t discuss you, I discussed your environment. You never said “I would forbid my son from wearing the dress” so I purposely didn’t focus on you. You mentioned “social hell” and cultural norms, so that’s what I focused on. Anyways, I’m not trying to offend, so I’ll gladly move away from your particular situation and into the land of hypotheticals.
Your second-to-last paragraph is simply an argument for dress codes in school. If a child wearing a dress (if my child in a dress) is deemed by the school to be disruptive and interferes with my child and other kids education, then they are well within their right to send my kid home. And I’ll have prepared my kid for that eventuality and we’ll find other ways (and times) for his to express himself.
But that wasn’t the original discussion. A dress code would cover any type of disruptive clothing, we’re talking specifically about a boy in a dress.
And I’ll ask again: What were your impressions of the article IH posted?
What type of answers from an 8 year old would be acceptable if a boy did want to wear a dress and a parent questioned his motivation?
Lastly, do you think conclusions can be drawn about a child’s sexuality based on what they choose to wear?
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The father wearing a skirt? I think now the kid is going to be bullied for being a fag and for his father also being a fag. His dad almost certainly made it worse for him. You’d never know it from all the squishy happy touchy feely support I saw in the comments to that article when I first read it a couple of weeks earlier, but I live in real people world, where actions actually have consequences.
The bar would have to be pretty damned high for an 8 year old to convince me he had a legitimate reason for wanting to wear a Halloween costume every day in lieu of regular clothes. That’s because he’s kid. Being a parent, you should know that kids have dumb ideas all the time. Part of our job is to teach them which idea are dumb, and which aren’t. Experience is great, but they don’t have to reinvent the damn wheel every time they come up with some new notion. Sometimes it’s enough just to say, “Look, that’s stupid. Don’t do that. You’ll get your ass kicked by the neighborhood kids and you’ll be treated like a leper.”
I don’t see any reason why an eight year old child’s “sexuality” should be on the table, or even in the same room, ever, Wtf? He’s eight years old. His balls haven’t even dropped yet. He can worry about his “sexuality” when he’s a teenager.
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
As parents, we prepare our children to be adults. You’re doing your child a disservice by thinking your shielding them from harm by not allowing them to express themselves.[/quote]
How’s this quote then? Fucking guy…[/quote]
Outstanding and spot on.
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It’s outstanding and spot on that I am doing my child a disservice? So you know my life and my parenting style, too? Seriously?
Are you a shitty parent because you use hallucinogens and have delusions of telepathy and omniscience?
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
Are you fucking serious? What kind of dumbass feels confident in making that claim about someone he’s never met for even 30 seconds? Now I feel like I’ve wasted my time reading all your posts, because as it turns out, you’re just an idiot.
From reading Cortez’s posts, I didn’t get the picture AT ALL that he instituted some rigid authoritarian environment where individual expression is repressed. I can scarcely believe you are that stupid.[/quote]
I reread what I wrote and it really is that bad, isn’t it?
Rather than defend what I wrote, I’ll just apologize to Cortez. It was an inane thing to say and did absolutely nothing to advance the discussion and for that, I’m sorry. I can only blame it on my lack of coffee, and trying to spit out half-formed thoughts in between bits of work.
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That’s cool, no hard feelings here. Apology accepted.
On a side note, why does everyone spell my name with a “z?”
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
As parents, we prepare our children to be adults. You’re doing your child a disservice by thinking your shielding them from harm by not allowing them to express themselves.[/quote]
How’s this quote then? Fucking guy…[/quote]
Outstanding and spot on.
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It’s outstanding and spot on that I am doing my child a disservice? So you know my life and my parenting style, too? Seriously?
Are you a shitty parent because you use hallucinogens and have delusions of telepathy and omniscience? [/quote]
lol, i don’t think he’s disagreeing with you, i think he’s +1’ing csulli calling me out on some of my posts.
Although, i’m not really sure…
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
Are you fucking serious? What kind of dumbass feels confident in making that claim about someone he’s never met for even 30 seconds? Now I feel like I’ve wasted my time reading all your posts, because as it turns out, you’re just an idiot.
From reading Cortez’s posts, I didn’t get the picture AT ALL that he instituted some rigid authoritarian environment where individual expression is repressed. I can scarcely believe you are that stupid.[/quote]
I reread what I wrote and it really is that bad, isn’t it?
Rather than defend what I wrote, I’ll just apologize to Cortez. It was an inane thing to say and did absolutely nothing to advance the discussion and for that, I’m sorry. I can only blame it on my lack of coffee, and trying to spit out half-formed thoughts in between bits of work.
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That’s cool, no hard feelings here. Apology accepted.
On a side note, why does everyone spell my name with a “z?” [/quote]
I actually went back earlier and edited it to an “s”, but you had already quoted it damn you…
[quote]Cortes wrote:
That’s cool, no hard feelings here. Apology accepted.
On a side note, why does everyone spell my name with a “z?” [/quote]
I always assumed you named yourself after Gregorio Cortez, the famous Mexican folk here.
No?
[quote]Cortes wrote:
The father wearing a skirt? I think now the kid is going to be bullied for being a fag and for his father also being a fag. His dad almost certainly made it worse for him. You’d never know it from all the squishy happy touchy feely support I saw in the comments to that article when I first read it a couple of weeks earlier, but I live in real people world, where actions actually have consequences.[/quote]
You know another thing I remember about elementary school?
“My dad could beat up your dad!”
That kid’s fucked in those arguments.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
Are you fucking serious? What kind of dumbass feels confident in making that claim about someone he’s never met for even 30 seconds? Now I feel like I’ve wasted my time reading all your posts, because as it turns out, you’re just an idiot.
From reading Cortez’s posts, I didn’t get the picture AT ALL that he instituted some rigid authoritarian environment where individual expression is repressed. I can scarcely believe you are that stupid.[/quote]
I reread what I wrote and it really is that bad, isn’t it?
Rather than defend what I wrote, I’ll just apologize to Cortez. It was an inane thing to say and did absolutely nothing to advance the discussion and for that, I’m sorry. I can only blame it on my lack of coffee, and trying to spit out half-formed thoughts in between bits of work.
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That’s cool, no hard feelings here. Apology accepted.
On a side note, why does everyone spell my name with a “z?” [/quote]
I actually went back earlier and edited it to an “s”, but you had already quoted it damn you…
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Haha. It’s not just here. It happens in PWI all the time.
[quote]Cortes wrote:
I don’t see any reason why an eight year old child’s “sexuality” should be on the table, or even in the same room, ever, Wtf? He’s eight years old. His balls haven’t even dropped yet. He can worry about his “sexuality” when he’s a teenager. [/quote]
This is what keeps puzzling me. Some of the arguments seem like people are talking about stifling a teenager or something, but really, I still can’t wrap my head around how this is an issue with a person so young.
All I know is that my (IchibodCrane’s) son will not be wearing dresses until 18 and most likely not even then.
When he beats your dress wearing son up on the playground, I will explain an appropriate response to strange people. If he does it again, he will lose certain privileges. If he continues, he will be spanked too. This typically curtails repeated, poor behavior effectively.
Whatever criticism readers feel when reading my post is your prerogative, for what it is worth the fact you’d allow a young son to wear a dress causes many others, if not most to feel the same.
The internet tends to draw a skewed amount of weird people and rejects for a lack of a better term.
Understand that while you may find dress wearing support here you are in the great minority as a parent if you allow young children to cross dress.
I realize this activates the non-conformity complex many of you have developed (most likely as a defense mechanism) but your baggage isn’t helping the kid find himself. We all learn through experience, and children need appropriate guidence while they build theirs.
Cross dressing and living in a fantasy pirate world at all times are not appropriate or constructive.
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
As parents, we prepare our children to be adults. You’re doing your child a disservice by thinking your shielding them from harm by not allowing them to express themselves.[/quote]
How’s this quote then? Fucking guy…[/quote]
Outstanding and spot on.
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It’s outstanding and spot on that I am doing my child a disservice? So you know my life and my parenting style, too? Seriously?
Are you a shitty parent because you use hallucinogens and have delusions of telepathy and omniscience? [/quote]
lol, i don’t think he’s disagreeing with you, i think he’s +1’ing csulli calling me out on some of my posts.
Although, i’m not really sure…[/quote]
No, I was saying it was an outstanding quote and spot on. Never letting your child fail is failing them. I don’t see it as directly applying it to Cortes just a general observation. Seems he is being overly sensitive to me.
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
No, I was saying it was an outstanding quote and spot on. Never letting your child fail is failing them. I don’t see it as directly applying it to Cortes just a general observation. Seems he is being overly sensitive to me.
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It was applied directly to Cortes. “Don’t be a rapist” is a good general observation. “Don’t be a rapist like Cortes” is why he was upset and not “overly sensitive”.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Testy1 wrote:
No, I was saying it was an outstanding quote and spot on. Never letting your child fail is failing them. I don’t see it as directly applying it to Cortes just a general observation. Seems he is being overly sensitive to me.
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It was applied directly to Cortes. “Don’t be a rapist” is a good general observation. “Don’t be a rapist like Cortes” is why he was upset and not “overly sensitive”.[/quote]
Second time I’ve been accused now of being “overly sensitive” for a sentiment that was clearly leveled right at me.
Sure thing.
[quote]IchibodCrane wrote:
All I know is that my (IchibodCrane’s) son will not be wearing dresses until 18 and most likely not even then.
When he beats your dress wearing son up on the playground, I will explain an appropriate response to strange people. If he does it again, he will lose certain privileges. If he continues, he will be spanked too. This typically curtails repeated, poor behavior effectively.
Whatever criticism readers feel when reading my post is your prerogative, for what it is worth the fact you’d allow a young son to wear a dress causes many others, if not most to feel the same.
The internet tends to draw a skewed amount of weird people and rejects for a lack of a better term.
Understand that while you may find dress wearing support here you are in the great minority as a parent if you allow young children to cross dress.
I realize this activates the non-conformity complex many of you have developed (most likely as a defense mechanism) but your baggage isn’t helping the kid find himself. We all learn through experience, and children need appropriate guidence while they build theirs.
Cross dressing and living in a fantasy pirate world at all times are not appropriate or constructive.[/quote]
Lol. Yes.
[quote]IchibodCrane wrote:
When he beats your dress wearing son up on the playground, I will explain an appropriate response to strange people. If he does it again, he will lose certain privileges. If he continues, he will be spanked too. This typically curtails repeated, poor behavior effectively.
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Why would your son feel that beating up someone who is different than he is, is an appropriate response? And what is the root of that response, what motivates it?
[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:
[quote]Cortes wrote:
That’s cool, no hard feelings here. Apology accepted.
On a side note, why does everyone spell my name with a “z?” [/quote]
I always assumed you named yourself after Gregorio Cortez, the famous Mexican folk here.
No?[/quote]
Hernan of Aztec slaughtering fame.
Slightly related, I do love your avatar. Have always loved the work of Diego Rivera, Frieda Calo, and the Dia de los Muertos inspired art of Mexico.