[quote]pittbulll wrote:
In Pittsburg The GOV owns the roads and gutter to make the best effort of free travel and safety. The Bodies in Pittsburg would be removed by the GOV
In Nickyville I don’t know who owns the gutter or if they would pick it up. I do know there are not many examples of countries running as you suggest. But please tell me about Nickyville
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Question: If government is an all-knowing, benevolent entity, why do you refuse to acknowledge the goodness of its drug laws?
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
In the Congo there are some. [/quote]
Name them. I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that you will name countries that have governments that just can’t control their whole population, but who still victimize many citizens.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
In Pittsburg The GOV owns the roads and gutter to make the best effort of free travel and safety. The Bodies in Pittsburg would be removed by the GOV
In Nickyville I don’t know who owns the gutter or if they would pick it up. I do know there are not many examples of countries running as you suggest. But please tell me about Nickyville
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Question: If government is an all-knowing, benevolent entity, why do you refuse to acknowledge the goodness of its drug laws?[/quote]
The Government is not benevolent , it is corrupt but it is necessary . We must constantly clean house .
That is part of my criticism of the misinformation the so called right spits out . Issues will never be addressed if we are battling non issues like , Muslim , socialist , Ghey, taking oath on Koran and I could go on and on and on
You have given VERY LITTLE info on Nickyville for criticism
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The Government is not benevolent , it is corrupt but it is necessary . We must constantly clean house .[/quote]
-That’s a nice thought, but we don’t do that. We vote every few years and the majority rules. The government no longer recognizes any restraints on its power anyway.
-All of those issues are non-issues in a free society, but not in our current state. Non-issues don’t exist when everyone belongs to everyone else.
[quote]You have given VERY LITTLE info on Nickyville for criticism
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-I have repeatedly indicated that I do not care for central planning, communism/socialism, or regulations enforced at gun point, so it’s very hard to say exactly how anything would work. If you had been alive to ask Thomas Jefferson how people would one day communicate, I doubt he would have been able to tell you about the iPhone 6. I can’t predict the future, so the only way I can give a specific answer as to how a free society would work is to either guess, or turn it into an autocratic state. If you ask a specific question, I will be glad to give the best answer I can for a free society.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
The Government is not benevolent , it is corrupt but it is necessary . We must constantly clean house .[/quote]
-That’s a nice thought, but we don’t do that. We vote every few years and the majority rules. The government no longer recognizes any restraints on its power anyway.
-All of those issues are non-issues in a free society, but not in our current state. Non-issues don’t exist when everyone belongs to everyone else.
[quote]You have given VERY LITTLE info on Nickyville for criticism
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-I have repeatedly indicated that I do not care for central planning, communism/socialism, or regulations enforced at gun point, so it’s very hard to say exactly how anything would work. If you had been alive to ask Thomas Jefferson how people would one day communicate, I doubt he would have been able to tell you about the iPhone 6. I can’t predict the future, so the only way I can give a specific answer as to how a free society would work is to either guess, or turn it into an autocratic state. If you ask a specific question, I will be glad to give the best answer I can for a free society.[/quote]
[quote]NickViar wrote:
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-I have repeatedly indicated that I do not care for central planning, [/quote]
You can not build a society on such unimportance ???
iT TAKES NUTS AND BOLTS
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
You can not build a society on such unimportance ???
iT TAKES NUTS AND BOLTS
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Do you believe government comes before society? I mean, I know you believe that, I guess, but it’s still hard for me to grasp that a human can believe it.
Interview with the Pittbulll:
Question: What creates society?
Answer: The government.
Question: What creates that government?
Answer: Society.
Question: How can government create society while society creates government?
Answer: Society good, government good.
Question: Okay, let me rephrase that question: How can government, which is funded by society, come into existence either before or at the same time as society?
Answer: Government is there first. It is the alpha and omega.
Question: If government comes before society, who either funds or makes up the government?
Answer: Society.
Question: Okay, apparently some technical error is making it impossible for you to understand my question, so let’s move on. I know you have previously referred to socialism as a non-issue in regards to government. What, in your opinion, is the main issue facing today’s society?
Answer: Marijuana.
Question: What about it?
Answer: I like it.
Question: Okay…so you want the government to mind its own business?
Answer: I want master to let me smoke it, and to steal from others to pay for any treatment I ever need.
Well, folks, that’s it for today’s installment of Interview with the Pittbulll. Join us again next Sunday morning for the next installment in the series.
You are amusing , I must admit . You still have not answered one question about how the world would be if there were no GOV .
I think life would be hard we would be at the mercy of every person or group that was more powerful than we . . I believe it would be the law of the jungle . I think villages would be horrible places with bad crime and disease running rampant . There would probably be very little potable water .
It would be expensive to move anywhere because every one charges a toll to cross their land .
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
You are amusing , I must admit . You still have not answered one question about how the world would be if there were no GOV . [/quote]
-I imagine it would be much like life now, except you would be free to do what you want on your own property. Competition would probably also make transportation, etc. cheaper and more efficient.
-You and I know that some type of defense is likely a necessity. So why do we need a boss to tell us we have to fund it(and fund a million other things, which we know are not necessary, at the same time)?
-We(I say, “we,” but since I work in government, I actually mean, “you”) already pay to travel on the government’s roads. The roads cost far above their market values at the moment(government is THE monopoly and its property costs as much as it wants). A free society would bring the costs of roads to their market values.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
You are amusing , I must admit . You still have not answered one question about how the world would be if there were no GOV . [/quote]
-I imagine it would be much like life now, except you would be free to do what you want on your own property. Competition would probably also make transportation, etc. cheaper and more efficient.
-You and I know that some type of defense is likely a necessity. So why do we need a boss to tell us we have to fund it(and fund a million other things, which we know are not necessary, at the same time)?
-We(I say, “we,” but since I work in government, I actually mean, “you”) already pay to travel on the government’s roads. The roads cost far above their market values at the moment(government is THE monopoly and its property costs as much as it wants). A free society would bring the costs of roads to their market values.
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I think your fantasy about roads working on free market values are not well reasoned .
I agree I pay my taxes and my only bitch about the matter is Mitt Romney pays a lower percentage and get’s a hell of a lot more write offs than do I.
In my opinion your aversion to taxes is just that . I don’t think you realize with out the safety our GOV avails, the free market COULD NOT operate . With out the collective resources
(MONEY / TAXES ) that our gov collected our infrastructure would not be .
No one would have condemned all the land for free systems . and controlled water rights for all .
Don’t get me wrong , I DO NOT HAVE A STAR SPANGLED ERECTION .
You work for the government Nick?
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
You work for the government Nick?[/quote]
Surprised me as well. Though I will say one of the most libertarian/minimal government people I know is a local teacher.
[quote]H factor wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
You work for the government Nick?[/quote]
Surprised me as well. Though I will say one of the most libertarian/minimal government people I know is a local teacher. [/quote]
Ya, I don’t see a problem with working for the government at all.
It’s pretty ironic though.
[quote]NickViar wrote:
A free society would bring the costs of roads to their market values.
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Or, in a free society, a conglomerate of billionaires could buy tracts of land in five-mile-wide lines that latticed the country, so that their property made the former USA look like a tic-tac-toe board, and then charge exorbitant amounts of money to absolutely everyone who wanted to cross through.
This would, in fact, be a fantastic investment. Buy a circle around NYC and LA, so that no one could come in or out, unless by boat of aircraft, without paying you whatever price you cared to charge. A thousand bucks a pop would do, don’t you think?
The list of ways for a rich guy get much, much richer while absolutely fucking the rest of us is infinite, in the kind of world you desire.
If the American government ceased to exist today , tomorrow there would be a vacuum and my guess our military would try and step in to fill the void .
Sorry Nick your fantasy is not feasible . It is impossible it will never happen and has never happened except on a very small scale
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
[quote]H factor wrote:
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
You work for the government Nick?[/quote]
Surprised me as well. Though I will say one of the most libertarian/minimal government people I know is a local teacher. [/quote]
Ya, I don’t see a problem with working for the government at all.
It’s pretty ironic though. [/quote]
Sure is. Kinda like my sister who has worked for some very large and powerful companies ranting about how Corporate America is the devil and ruining everything.
Then I’m like- “So how 'bout them healthy paychecks? You don’t see many of those in a bohemian utopia!”.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
You work for the government Nick?[/quote]
Well, not “the” government…local government. I used to consider my job a legitimate government function, but have shifted away from that. The only way I justify it to myself nowadays is self-defense: almost everyone wants this, I can’t beat them by myself, so I might as well profit instead of being robbed…and it gets harder everyday to justify it to myself that way, too.
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
Or, in a free society, a conglomerate of billionaires could buy tracts of land in five-mile-wide lines that latticed the country, so that their property made the former USA look like a tic-tac-toe board, and then charge exorbitant amounts of money to absolutely everyone who wanted to cross through.
This would, in fact, be a fantastic investment. Buy a circle around NYC and LA, so that no one could come in or out, unless by boat of aircraft, without paying you whatever price you cared to charge. A thousand bucks a pop would do, don’t you think?
The list of ways for a rich guy get much, much richer while absolutely fucking the rest of us
is infinite, in the kind of world you desire.[/quote]
If that would be a fantastic investment, it would be done today. The billionaires could, in theory, do that, I guess(maybe-how many billions would it take to buy the entire land mass known as America?). More than likely, though, one would start charging less than the others in order to maximize his profit. Then the others would start charging less in order to maximize theirs, and so on and so forth. There’s also the very real possibility that the people would just get together and kill the billionaires who did that, so that would make a far less attractive scenario for the billionaires. There are a whole lot more non-billionaires than billionaires. That’s why our form of government is so ingenious-the rich and powerful do just what you say, while all those being treated poorly believe they are running the show, so they accept it.
The question is, why, in your scenario, were the rich the only ones smart enough to purchase the land surrounding individuals? Why did the individuals who once owned that land sell such valuable land so cheaply?
What if the billionaires get together and bribe government officials to just hand them control of all public property? It would surely be cheaper to bribe a relatively small number of people to turn over control of land than it would be to purchase every inch of land around every inhabited area of the country. Why don’t billionaires do this now? It’s certainly legal(eminent domain).
I had never read Chicken Little before tonight, but it seems to be a great libertarian allegory:
Chicken Little likes to walk in the woods. She likes to look at the trees. She likes to smell the flowers. She likes to listen to the birds singing.
One day while she is walking an acorn falls from a tree, and hits the top of her little head.
She runs and runs. By and by she meets the hen.
Where are you going? - asks the hen.
Oh, Henny Penny, the sky is falling and I am going to the lion to tell him about it.
How do you know it? - asks Henny Penny.
It hit me on the head, so I know it must be so, - says Chicken Little.
Let me go with you! - says Henny Penny. - Run, run.
So the two run and run until they meet Ducky Lucky.
The sky is falling, - says Henny Penny. - We are going to the lion to tell him about it.
How do you know that? - asks Ducky Lucky.
It hit Chicken Little on the head, - says Henny Penny.
May I come with you? - asks Ducky Lucky.
Come, - says Henny Penny.
So all three of them run on and on until they meet Foxey Loxey.
Where are you going? - asks Foxey Loxey.
The sky is falling and we are going to the lion to tell him about it, - says Ducky Lucky.
Do you know where he lives? - asks the fox.
I don’t, - says Chicken Little.
I don’t, - says Henny Penny.
I don’t, - says Ducky Lucky.
I do, - says Foxey Loxey. - Come with me and I can show you the way.
He walks on and on until he comes to his den.
They all go in, but they never, never come out again.
but your theory is just as big a fairy tale