[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
“I think most don’t quit their jobs nowadays. They are merely let go” Sorry, but this is incorrect.
Retention of young/new teachers is a major problem in K-18 education in the US. Top issues: working conditions (student behavior is a top concern) and lack of support from administration another. Sounds like the OP has experienced both of these.[/quote]
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Students get away with so much crap now its ridiculous, and it REALLY hurts them when they get to college… I was helping with a freshmen engineering class this semester and had kids who didnt own / know how to do a calculator, couldnt plug variables into an algebraic equation (I definded everything for them), didnt know how to use excel, would not participate, couldnt use a ruler. I had one guy who couldnt believe I failed him because he didnt show up to ANY of the lectures. I also had a girl who did nothing to help her group, didnt do the work, and didnt want to present the work, guess what, she failed too and spent more time afterwards complaining to the department head than it would have taken her to pass the class with an A…
Most of these kids need to fail and be smacked around a little otherwise they never learn to take responsibility for the work they do (or dont do)… It truely was a eye opening mind blowing experiance…
[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
Tex Ag wrote:
“I think most don’t quit their jobs nowadays. They are merely let go” Sorry, but this is incorrect.
Retention of young/new teachers is a major problem in K-18 education in the US. Top issues: working conditions (student behavior is a top concern) and lack of support from administration another. Sounds like the OP has experienced both of these.
Yeah okay, I’m sure the 600,000+ plus people all got together and quit their jobs in February of 2009[/quote]
I am not seeing my earlier post so I am responding again. Nevermind, it’s there.
Just today, the teacher who’ll be teaching Italian next year walked in to an after school meeting and 2 of the other female teachers who will be on her floor said “Yaaaay!” and started clapping like retarded kids at a clown show. They were so excited! OMG! How immature!
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You don’t have much experience with women, huh? That’s just what they do. Any time they hear, “I’m working with you” or “I’m pregnant” or “I’m getting married” or “I bought a puppy” they squeel and jump around like retards. I think it’s genetic.
Anyway, you sound fucking miserable. There’s no reason to stay at a job that makes you miserable. You’ve got one life, and we will never be here again. So make it worth it.
I think going to Italy and Russia and all that sounds awesome. Maybe it will give you a brighter perspective on life when you realize that the world is a much, much bigger place than your classroom lets on.
[quote]Ratchet wrote:
Tex Ag wrote:
“I think most don’t quit their jobs nowadays. They are merely let go” Sorry, but this is incorrect.
Retention of young/new teachers is a major problem in K-18 education in the US. Top issues: working conditions (student behavior is a top concern) and lack of support from administration another. Sounds like the OP has experienced both of these.
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Students get away with so much crap now its ridiculous, and it REALLY hurts them when they get to college… I was helping with a freshmen engineering class this semester and had kids who didnt own / know how to do a calculator, couldnt plug variables into an algebraic equation (I definded everything for them), didnt know how to use excel, would not participate, couldnt use a ruler. I had one guy who couldnt believe I failed him because he didnt show up to ANY of the lectures. I also had a girl who did nothing to help her group, didnt do the work, and didnt want to present the work, guess what, she failed too and spent more time afterwards complaining to the department head than it would have taken her to pass the class with an A…
Most of these kids need to fail and be smacked around a little otherwise they never learn to take responsibility for the work they do (or dont do)… It truely was a eye opening mind blowing experiance…[/quote]
My freshman (9th grade) English class consisted of us going over nouns, verbs, and adjectives. The teacher decided to give ice cream on Fridays to the students if they handed in their work during the week. This is how she got people to ‘settle down.’ …
I was forced to take Art 1 junior year as a credit requirement. Most people couldn’t use a ruler. One person thought 1/4 + 1/4 = 1/8.
Yeah. It’s suffering. It’s been suffering. It’s only getting worse.
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
Growing_Boy wrote:
Tex Ag wrote:
“I think most don’t quit their jobs nowadays. They are merely let go” Sorry, but this is incorrect.
Retention of young/new teachers is a major problem in K-18 education in the US. Top issues: working conditions (student behavior is a top concern) and lack of support from administration another. Sounds like the OP has experienced both of these.
Yeah okay, I’m sure the 600,000+ plus people all got together and quit their jobs in February of 2009
I assumed you were talking about teachers since the thread is about teachers. So, 600,000+ teachers were let go in the early middle of the spring semester? Huh. Wow, the unions must really suck.
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[quote]Hugo82 wrote:
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I was forced to take Art 1 junior year as a credit requirement. Most people couldn’t use a ruler. One person thought 1/4 + 1/4 = 1/8.
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LOLOLOLOLL Fuck that was the funniest thing i read all day thanks
you sound like the kind of teacher i would have liked. unlike some, i actually enjoyed it when i was learning something and some twat wasn’t disrupting class.
and those bloody fancy projecters never worked.
hmmm. Interesting post. OP it sounds like your keeping a good attitude about the future, changing professions may cut a lot of the stress out of your life.
Teaching kids is not easy. Especially teen agers. I don’t know why but these days it seems like kids turn into maniacs when they hit the teen years. They have heads full of baloney from mass media and games and such. They invariably think that they know all there is to know about the world and life, when they really don’t know anything at all. As a matter of fact their understanding is so far into the negative that they aren’t even able to know that they don’t know anything even when it’s obvious. All they seem to care about is escape through entertainment, what their friends think of them, relationshsips they don’t realize they aren’t ready for, and maintaining the pretense of whatever media derived self image they are crypto spamming to everybody.
I used to think about teaching English Lit, but chose not to for that reason.
[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
Tex Ag wrote:
Growing_Boy wrote:
Tex Ag wrote:
“I think most don’t quit their jobs nowadays. They are merely let go” Sorry, but this is incorrect.
Retention of young/new teachers is a major problem in K-18 education in the US. Top issues: working conditions (student behavior is a top concern) and lack of support from administration another. Sounds like the OP has experienced both of these.
Yeah okay, I’m sure the 600,000+ plus people all got together and quit their jobs in February of 2009
I assumed you were talking about teachers since the thread is about teachers. So, 600,000+ teachers were let go in the early middle of the spring semester? Huh. Wow, the unions must really suck.
I don’t think being strict is really needed. The prefered teachers in my class, are the ones who can take a joke AND be sarcastic towards everyone, the ones that isn’t afraid of cursing(And allows cursing as well of course, though my school doesn’t have policies on that) and all of that and be pretty damn funny. They pretty much integrate them as a part as the class, opposed as an outsider. Enthusiasm is another GREAT asset in my opinion, my physics teacher actually manages to reach the girly girls in my class quite good. (PHYSICS!)
Oh, and they can take critiuqe! Our most hated teacher, would be the one who can’t take critiuqe, and doesn’t befriend himself with the class in the same manor as the prefered ones.
In “reward” they get the respect and attention they deserve in class.
Just wondering, how old are the kids you are/were teaching?
Currently I’m in what would be the equivalent of… late high school I suppose.
[quote]force of one wrote:
They invariably think that they know all there is to know about the world and life, when they really don’t know anything at all. [/quote]
Funny you mention that. I used this graph during a lab class I taught on the first day to juniors / seniors in college. They could never understand why I (as a grad student) kept saying I didnt know shit…
Also, to go along with the 1/4 + 1/4 = 1/8… I had one group build I-beams that should have been identical but where up to 1.5 inches different in some of the measurements… turns out, one guy built it in english (the way they did the calculation), one was in mm, and the other was in cm…
Also, I had to explain how to find 0.9 of an inch, since inches is marked in 16ths… When I grew up, I built models, fixed cars (I pulled the engine out of a volkswagon just to take it apart and try to put it back together again), and raced RC / slot cars… how do these future “engineering” students decide to major in this stuff if they cant do basic math and read a ruler???
I was home schooled privately by my mom and if I got out of line, there was hell to pay. If I really misbehaved, Dad got involved and that only happened a few times that I can remember! I turned out well enough. So I do understand where you’re coming from talking about rules not being strict enough in schools. I think a lot about our society is too lax. Kind of like how if you used to be a jackass to someone and got yourself knocked out, you couldn’t sue and take everything the other guy owns.
Anyway, good luck with whatever you decide to do next. It IS a shame that in the USA so much of school is about popularity and who’s cool, not about knowledge and the ability to learn/do something being respected. A lot of these kids aren’t going anywhere or going to accomplish anything and they don’t have the foresight to see that far ahead.
[quote]Tex Ag wrote:
Growing_Boy wrote:
Tex Ag wrote:
Growing_Boy wrote:
Tex Ag wrote:
“I think most don’t quit their jobs nowadays. They are merely let go” Sorry, but this is incorrect.
Retention of young/new teachers is a major problem in K-18 education in the US. Top issues: working conditions (student behavior is a top concern) and lack of support from administration another. Sounds like the OP has experienced both of these.
Yeah okay, I’m sure the 600,000+ plus people all got together and quit their jobs in February of 2009
I assumed you were talking about teachers since the thread is about teachers. So, 600,000+ teachers were let go in the early middle of the spring semester? Huh. Wow, the unions must really suck.
I plan on being a college professor so i can tell kids to go fuck themselves. Im a senior in highschool and it amazes me how stupid some people are… they cant even shut the fuck up for two seconds…instead they have to show off to their little friends and be total douche bags.ut
I have some teachers i like because of their lack of teaching and almost no work lol and some who I respect because of how they act and teach.
[quote]Hugo82 wrote:
Ratchet wrote:
Tex Ag wrote:
“I think most don’t quit their jobs nowadays. They are merely let go” Sorry, but this is incorrect.
Retention of young/new teachers is a major problem in K-18 education in the US. Top issues: working conditions (student behavior is a top concern) and lack of support from administration another. Sounds like the OP has experienced both of these.
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Students get away with so much crap now its ridiculous, and it REALLY hurts them when they get to college… I was helping with a freshmen engineering class this semester and had kids who didnt own / know how to do a calculator, couldnt plug variables into an algebraic equation (I definded everything for them), didnt know how to use excel, would not participate, couldnt use a ruler. I had one guy who couldnt believe I failed him because he didnt show up to ANY of the lectures. I also had a girl who did nothing to help her group, didnt do the work, and didnt want to present the work, guess what, she failed too and spent more time afterwards complaining to the department head than it would have taken her to pass the class with an A…
Most of these kids need to fail and be smacked around a little otherwise they never learn to take responsibility for the work they do (or dont do)… It truely was a eye opening mind blowing experiance…
My freshman (9th grade) English class consisted of us going over nouns, verbs, and adjectives. The teacher decided to give ice cream on Fridays to the students if they handed in their work during the week. This is how she got people to ‘settle down.’ …
I was forced to take Art 1 junior year as a credit requirement. Most people couldn’t use a ruler. One person thought 1/4 + 1/4 = 1/8.
Yeah. It’s suffering. It’s been suffering. It’s only getting worse.
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Wow, you think she would of paid attention in first year educational psychology… reward-based systems (based on research) tend to fail with adolescents most of the time. Damn, that I took that class 4 years ago and still remember that.
Also, I had to explain how to find 0.9 of an inch, since inches is marked in 16ths… When I
Students, who are… studying engineering, had to have this explained?
That’s quite amazing.
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I’m not surprised by that. I have a cousin who wanted to be an engineer, but the poor kid didn’t know his mom had been buying his grades his entire life. When he got into college, he failed miserably. Not only was he lacking a quality education, he had learned some basic concepts incorrectly due to teachers encouraging him and giving him A’s when he was wrong.
Last I heard, he was doing well in a trade school, but he was pissed at his mother. He has to now make up for 12 years of not just bad education, but flat out damaging education.
To the OP: I’m glad you were the kind of teacher you were, and I don’t blame you for being fed up. I wish that my cousin would have had a teacher like you, it might have made him realize what was going on and saved him a lot of grief. Although, his younger brother had a good teacher once, and their mother got him fired. So, maybe there really is no hope.
