What illegally invading a country, stealing their oil and murdering it’s inhabitants has got to do with “seeking the approval of the international community” ?
Answer: nothing.
You would be the first one , of course, to cry wolf if it hapened to you.
From your reasonning, it’s alright to be selfish as long you’re not the one being wronged.
I see no reason the corporations who decided to ransack Iraq will not go after people like you when this racket is over.
You’re their next ticket meal.
Who’s gonna stop them ?
Certainly not you.
And you need to wise up about “the goal of this nations foreign policy”: it’s first and foremost to enrich the big corporations, who won’t think twice reselling Iraqi oil many folds the actual price to suckers like yourself happy to fork out as long as the phony left-right dialectic enforced on simple minded loons is maintained.
Neither will be they thinking twice taxing you to death, depreciate the worth of your savings and prepare a nice slave future for your child ( the one your taking care for them right now) to enrich army contractors and infrastructure cartels.
Most of the world loved the Clintons…and somehow that’s a GOOD thing? What’s that tell us about the rest of the world? The world loves rapists (Jennifer Flowers) and criminals (Whitewater, cattle futures, Vince Foster, lying to Grand Juries)?
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See that TRT is still not at the right dose. Try upping it some and your thinking should clear up.
Are you just jealous of Clinton because you can�??t get laid even when you try and pay for it or do you really like young boys like most right wing whack jobs and your repressed sexual desires are expressed as hostility towards others with healthy sexual urges.
[quote]bigflamer wrote:
[i]1992 - Hotel bombing in Aden, Yemen where 100 U.S. servicemen were staying. No one was wounded. Osama Bin Laden claimed responsibility.
February 26, 1993 - A truck packed with bombs exploded in the underground parking garage below the north tower (1 Tower). It opened a 200-foot wide and 5-story deep hole. Six people were killed and over 1,000 injured.
November 13, 1995 - Bombing at Army training headquarters in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia; 5 Americans killed; 31 wounded;
June 25, 1996 - Khobar Towers apartments bombed at U.S. military barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia; 19 Americans killed; 372 wounded;
August 7, 1998 - U.S. embassies bombed in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania; 224 killed including 12 Americans;
August 28, 1998 - The FBI accuses Osama bin Laden of having declared ‘jihad’ or holy war against the United States.
November 4, 1998 - Osama bin Laden is charged with ordering embassy bombings.
October 12, 2000 - USS Cole bombed in Aden, Yemen; 17 Americans killed; 39 wounded;[/i]
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By definition, attacks on military bases and soldiers are not terrorism, they are acts of war. So Bush invaded Iraq to retaliate how exactly? And according to the Bush manifesto, none of the attacks outside US soil matter…“Fight’em over there so we won’t have to fight’em over here.”
Six people killed on Clinton’s watch a month into office and the people responsible were caught. Nine months into Bush administration over 3000 killed and billions of damage including bring the country to a stand still and sending the economy into a recession. Masterminds of the attack never caught instead he commits treason by lying to take the country into an illegal war with an unrelated country. And, he ups support for the Wahabis in Saudi where most of the conspirators came from.
But in your mind Bush = Good, Clinton = bad. This is why everyone you meet thinks you’re stupid. Get it missy? At what age do you plan to start the inbreeding with you�??re daughter?
[quote]GreenMountains wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
[i]1992 - Hotel bombing in Aden, Yemen where 100 U.S. servicemen were staying. No one was wounded. Osama Bin Laden claimed responsibility.
February 26, 1993 - A truck packed with bombs exploded in the underground parking garage below the north tower (1 Tower). It opened a 200-foot wide and 5-story deep hole. Six people were killed and over 1,000 injured.
November 13, 1995 - Bombing at Army training headquarters in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia; 5 Americans killed; 31 wounded;
June 25, 1996 - Khobar Towers apartments bombed at U.S. military barracks in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia; 19 Americans killed; 372 wounded;
August 7, 1998 - U.S. embassies bombed in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania; 224 killed including 12 Americans;
August 28, 1998 - The FBI accuses Osama bin Laden of having declared ‘jihad’ or holy war against the United States.
November 4, 1998 - Osama bin Laden is charged with ordering embassy bombings.
October 12, 2000 - USS Cole bombed in Aden, Yemen; 17 Americans killed; 39 wounded;[/i]
By definition, attacks on military bases and soldiers are not terrorism, they are acts of war. So Bush invaded Iraq to retaliate how exactly? And according to the Bush manifesto, none of the attacks outside US soil matter…“Fight’em over there so we won’t have to fight’em over here.”[/quote]
[b][i]ter�ror�ism �� (tr-rzm) KEY �
NOUN:
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.[/b][/i]
Point out to me which one of the incidents I referenced which do not fit into this definition. But just for shits and giggles, let’s use your classification of these events, and call them all acts of war. By act of war, I’m sure you meant,act of WAR? Wow, I see now that you are a hawk w/r/t foreign policy. So how should Bubba have responded to all of these acts of war? If my recolection is correct, he formulated his response to all of these acts of war (we’re still using your definition here), along the lines of police/legal frame of mind. He considered these actions to be criminal in nature and followed up accordingly. Which, IMHO, was the wrong aproach to take.
You need to re reference the above post junior. It clearly indicates, if you had applied even a smidgen of consideration to the matter, that a total of 271 were killed, and 1442 persons were wounded/injured. All on Bubba’s watch, through what you have described as acts of war. And how do you think he should have responded to the first WTC bombing? He pursued it as a police/criminal matter. And in case you didn’t know, OBL claimed responsability for almost all of the above carnage. He was never caught. I say again, bubba never caught him.
The reasons for going to war with Iraq were many ( I believe that there were 23 points considered when we went off to war) and were not solely based on WMD’s, although he did use this as a major selling point. But do tell me how the war is “illegal”. I’m hoping that you do not reference that impotent worthless orginization known as the UN. You’ll know them by the smell of their own failure to accomplish anything.
No, this is how you illustrate to the folks on this forum that you cannot string together a mature, cohesive, and intelligent argument. If you have followed my posts at all, you would know that I am a conservative that has very much been let down by Mr. Bush. This whole “Bush = Good, Clinton = bad” theory that you falsly accuse me of holding, actually, IMO, is more reflective of your black and white vision of politics and life in general. It is highly illustrative of a lack of real world experience. Please refrain from projecting your immature world view onto me, that would be super.
This is a classic example of your immaturity and lack of argument. In a face to face discusion, this comment would get you knocked the fuck out. Please grow the fuck up, you are fast losing credibility here.
[quote]jeffdirect wrote:
If bigflamer is a conservative, then i’m Elvis Presley.[/quote]
Actually, this is interesting. On which issue did you want to discuss my conservatism or lack thereof? I consider myself an issue man, which can draw ire from both ends of the political spectrum at times.
Generally I lean to the right, however, I have been accused of being liberal when discussing some social issues. You just can’t please everybody, unless of course you’re a career politician with his/her sights on the white house; in which case, you’ll give it a hell of a shot.
So I look forward to your enlightenment sir; by which standards and on what issue do consider me to lack conservative principles?