You know T Nation/Biotest founder Tim Patterson? 
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Just like people who are angry on Hormones. They were angry before. Vice versa. Totally agree.
i know guys like that bro. i work hard when i need to. some people just gotta do it. put them in a forest and theyll cut down trees. they cant help themslves.
I’ve only responded to him in threads. Is he like that?
He can definitely outwork anyone I’ve ever known. His brain doesn’t get tired. If productivity were a marathon, he could sprint it with a weight vest on while juggling cats.
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I think it is reasonable to think others are like that for other characteristics. That isn’t the only thing that matters of course, but I think certain people are just inclined for certain behaviors. Some people are more susceptible to addiction for instance. That doesn’t mean they will become an addict, just more likely.
That is like my buddy. He is quickly climbing the corporate ladder, probably be a VP of a big corporation in the next year or so. He would say I don’t want it enough. I would say that working like him is not possible for me.
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Related to this topic, most sociopaths are chronic cheaters with never even a thought of staying committed. It’s the exploitation that excites them. Pair that with other sociopathic traits – lack of empathy, impulsiveness, manipulation, lying, arrogance – and cheating is unavoidable, high-dose TRT or not. So maybe some sociopaths are more drawn to steroid use?
It’s estimated that 4% of people are sociopaths. Could 4 out of every 100 TRT clinic clients be giving all the other men a bad name? Hmmm…
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I almost brought up psychopaths / sociopaths. It isn’t really their fault they lack empathy. That is how their brain works.
I do think most of them know certain actions are right or wrong. They just don’t really feel guilty about those actions. I think guilt or knowing you would feel guilty about an action can be a pretty big influence on what a person does. In addition, I think one of the paths non-sociopath people take to do unethical actions is to convince themselves that they won’t feel guilty about it later.
I think it is only a part of it. IIRC, about half of people (maybe this was half of marriages have a cheater at some point, which would be about 25%) will cheat in a long term relationship at some point in their lives. Pretty grim to think about.
Good points. And I think I also need to clarify that not every cheater is a sociopath – some slip, feel terrible, and never do it again – but every sociopath is a cheater.
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Hmmm. I wonder about the sociopaths running “TRT” clinics giving TRT clinics a bad name.
I am picturing a fun Venn Diagram.
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Ha! I think some do get a little greedy. Maybe they’re just true believers in the idea that there are no health consequences for doubling up what’s normally needed (and in some cases they be right).
And of course there are a few men’s clinics that are just outright slingin’ gear.
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Fair assessment. Thanks for that.
I will concede only the ones selling UGL/counterfeit “supplements” out of the clinic are truly evil.
My experience from being married 35 years and no cheating, people that cheat are looking for the excuse. If TRT is one to hang their hat on, they will jump on it (literally and figuratively). If it isn’t TRT, it will be something else, sometime else.
Several points from the real world for the TRT guy that is now too hot for his wife:
1 - Most of the guys that are using TRT and having affairs probably don’t realize that they are not as hot as they think before dabbling. The 35-year-old in the office or hottie at the gym is really not interested in the 50-year-old no matter how much “Tes” you pump in your ass. They end up chasing what was not there or just a one timer.
2 - The guys that I have seen make that leap, end up alone and wishing they never did it. Especially, if they had a half-decent wife in the first place. As the decent looking wife ends up have many more choices to replace TRT guy. Physics Law # 13 - Women have an easier time getting laid than guys… Physics Law #14 - When another guy is with your wife, you will want her back…
TRT is not the problem. Take up surfing with your wife, she will get in shape, get horny and at the very least get a tan. TRT is not the issue.
Good thoughts!
LOL…akin to hiding a hungry man’s dentures then serving steaks?
But actually, usually not so. For general knowledge, the following:
Yep, nandrolone can elevate prolactin levels, which impacts libido, so, depending on individual genetics, nandrolone can affect a small percentage of guys’ with low desire for sex even apart from erectile dysfunction.
Yep, nandrolone can impact guys’ progesterone levels, too little of which can impair blood flow and cause ED.
Yep, nandrolone affects the testosterone production feed-back loop like testosterone itself does, so, as with exogenous testerone, all natural testosterone production ceases. Male sexual function depends on the androgenic effects of testosterone (and even depends on correct ratio of testosterone-to-estrogen, estrogen being made from the testosterone) so, consequently, lacking testosterone, low libido and/or ED of varying severities occur.
However, as was discovered in the 1960s and 1970s, “Deca Dick” for most guys results from using Deca (and/or even Dianabol or other AAS) without a base dosage of Testosterone.
Bro-science dosage advice aside, for most guys, if there’s a Test base dosage which maintains total test at least at physiologically normal levels, adding 100-200 mg/week of nandro won’t cause “Deca Dick”. That base dosage is the TRT 100 mg/week typically adequate to put the average guy’s total T level between 700 and 900 ng/dL.
Most guys dosaging with 200 mg/week of T then adding 200 mg/week of nadrolone wouldn’t experience ED.
Caveats: “most guys”, not all guys. And, “employing on-and-off cycles of adding nadrolone” not continuous forever usage of nandrolone; long-term usage has unpredictable and varying consequences.
Of course, “unpredictable” is the constant for any use of any exogenous AAS. Well-informed adults, please weigh the potential benefits against the potential risks, then decide what seems appropriate for yourself.
So what dosages would someone have to take, to be likely to experience ED, if a test base is already present?
I don’t know how high the dosage of nandro and/or similar AAS would have to be to cause ED if a guy is basing with 200 mg/week of Test.
I do know two guys who ran 200 mg/week of Test Enanth year-around then added 300 mg/week of Deca for twelve weeks-on, ten weeks-off cycles for three years with no ED nor libido faltering.
GENETICS likely decide how high and even if there is a high enough dosage of nandro and/or other AAS to cause ED with a 200 mg/week Test base.
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