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[quote]pat wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
pat wrote:

We may be getting tripped up on the terminology here. I’m just asserting that time could potentially extend infinitely both forwards and backwards (maybe even back through the big bang) and I’ve called it an infinite regress for lack of a better term. I’ll admit freely that I know of no evidence for this proposition. It just seems the lesser of two evils when compared to an uncaused cause

Fair enough.
I don’t disregard infinity. Let’s take a look at time for a moment (hehe). My understanding of what time is a measure of movement and/or change. So if nothing was moving all the way down to the atomic level and beyond then there would be no time. Likewise, if “you” are moving at the same speed as movement/change then you cannot recognize time. Of course this means traveling at the speed of light. Now light travels through time yet is in itself infinite because it is not subject to time. The point of this mental gymnastics to illustrate that infinite fits comfortably in this causal world we know and love. Second, to illustrate that for time to exist matter must not only exist, but move and change relative to something else. Third, and most importantly, just because something is infinite, does not mean it was not caused. Light is infinite, yet it is caused, or it has a source. This is basically a lead into the cosmological argument from the point of contingency.

The uncaused-cause, solves a problem. The causal chain cannot exist infinitely because it ends up begging the question. We aren�??�?�¢??t here, because we are here. We are here due to a long series of causes.
Now to take it further, the uncaused-cause is understood as God, because for something to be an uncaused-cause in necessarily takes on certain properties. Like it cannot be caused, and cannot be subject to the causal chain itself. Further, for “it” to have caused, it must had something like a will to put that “first effect” in motion.
That is how I look at it philosophically.

As I have repeatedly stated you don’t have to have an infinite chain, you can have a loop.

By saying this you saying we are doomed to repeat everything? So we will all live again when the loop circles around?[/quote]

All of this has happened before and will happen again!

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
forlife wrote:
Does it not make you a little suspicious that your belief system is, by definition, unconfirmable? You’ve set up the perfect crime for yourself.

Think about it.

You can claim whatever you want about your god, and how your life is blessed in material ways due to your faith and prayers.

However, the moment anyone actually attempts to assess the truthfulness of those claims, you respond that your god refuses to be measured in such a way.

Thus, it is impossible to actually confirm any of your claims.

Given that your claims literally cannot be substantiated, what differentiates them from any fairy tale that someone might concoct?

I have one question, how is our faith uncomfirmable? Which is not a word by the way, but I get your gist. You can very well see if you look at the earth that there has to be some creator.

No, the earth is amazing however everything on it can be explained without the need of recourse to a supreme being. It is lazy to use a supreme being to fill in the gaps in your personal understanding or education.

Statistically speaking it would be impossible for the earth and Universe to be as it is by chance. There has to be something that created it. Second, a cause and effect for you little “God doesn’t existites”, does cause and effect not explain that something one and of itself and separate have to be, to cause a line of effects and causes. Meaning that there has to be an Eternal Causer for all the effects in the world.

You clearly have no understanding of statistics. If there are infinite universes as some posit then our existence on this planet has a probability of 1.

You are also looking at things the wrong way round. Space is big. You just won’t believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it’s a long way down the road to the drug store, but that’s just peanuts to space. Because it is so big and varied there are parts of it that are condusive to life of the type found on Earth. Now add in a very, very long time and surprise surprise in one of the tiny bits of the universe that is condusive to life we find life. The statistical probability of this is actually pretty high when you look at the universe and time as a whole.

The problem is that our minds have problems coping with quite how big the universe is and quite how much time we are talking about. This is no surprise because we are conditioned to think in terms of a couple of lifetimes at most and spaces not much larger than a small village.

I’m not talking about the probability that we are here on earth, I am not a philosopher who questions if this is reality. I am saying that if randomly the situation we are in was created by random causes, it would be impossible to be here.

OK, try reading what I wrote again, take your time, ask questions, look up words that are unfamiliar.

I am not talking about the philosophical question of whether we are really here or not. I am saying that given that our being here is actually a statistical inevitability given a large enough universe and enough time.

Not so.[/quote]

Why not?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Oh I see you have several friends that call themselves Christian, I see. And what exactly does that mean? Nada![/quote]

I realize that according to your narrow view, churches like the Anglicans that favor equal rights for gays aren’t “true Christians”. Sorry, but you don’t get to decide who is a real Christian and who isn’t.

The point is that if I had wanted to continue believing in fairy tales, I could easily have found a gay affirming church. Many gays do just that.

However, I realized that if I was wrong about god confirming my deeply held convictions about the LDS church, other people could be wrong about divine confirmation for their own beliefs. Hard as it is for you to admit, YOU could be wrong about your religious convictions.

I am an agnostic because I am honest enough to admit that we don’t know the answers to certain questions, and I am no longer willing to believe in fairy tales, even if they provide a sense of purpose and make me feel better about myself.

Hey pot, meet kettle.

I love how you get all huffy when people call you a homophobe, and insist that you don’t hate gays. Yet in the next breath you are so quick to accuse agnostics and atheists of being hate filled bigots. If you don’t like being called a homophobe, don’t dish your judgment out on others.

Do you really want to know, or are you going to call me a liar if I don’t give you the answer that you are convinced must be true?

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[quote]Mick28 wrote:
The reason I posted is pretty simple, I’m tired of little retards like yourself pontificating to no end about the mysteries of the universe when you have a difficult time putting two sentences together without 12 spelling errors.

I mean, look in the mirror your face probably hasn’t even cleared up and your lecturing everyone about God…just go away…I mean get the fuck lost…I’m sick of reading your nonsense.
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Does anyone else find it hilarious that our resident troll banishes people from the internet for spelling errors, and makes a spelling error of his own in literally the next sentence? Priceless.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Well, the fact that you just fucked up the basic vocabulary of English vocab, I have a hard time believing you understand basic philosophy. If you can figure out your own mistake, I’ll poor your own modernism flavored kool-aid for you.[/quote]

OMG, it’s contagious. Yet another vocabulary Nazi who misspells literally his next sentence after whining about someone making a vocabulary mistake.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I am saying that if randomly the situation we are in was created by random causes, it would be impossible to be here. [/quote]

I think maybe the disconnect is because you keep assuming everything is random, OR it was caused by a supernatural being.

You’re ignoring the possibility of universal laws, like gravity for example. These laws have no inherent “intelligence”, but they do provide order. It is much less a logical stretch to allow that these laws have always existed as part of the nature of the universe, than to claim a supernatural being has always existed (the latter being a far more complex and less likely probability).

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[quote]Buff HardBack wrote:
“just fucked up the basic vocabulary of English vocab,”…what?[/quote]

No no. The part where he writes “I’ll poor your own modernism flavored kool-aid for you.” is much better.

Chris, if you’re going to be the grammar Nazi, at least have proper grammar in your posts.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
I am saying that if randomly the situation we are in was created by random causes, it would be impossible to be here. [/quote]

I think maybe the disconnect is because you keep assuming everything is random, OR it was caused by a supernatural being.

You’re ignoring the possibility of universal laws, like gravity for example. These laws have no inherent “intelligence”, but they do provide order. It is much less a logical stretch to allow that these laws have always existed as part of the nature of the universe, than to claim a supernatural being has always existed (the latter being a far more complex and less likely probability).

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

First off, the Theory of Gravity was not accept immediately after it was put in place, it took a great deal of time for it to be accepted. Second, these theories, that you think are new, are not. They are old theories thought to be true by narcissism when created, brushed off and called new. They however sadly (for you) are being pushed out of seminaries, and universities because they have still no evidence to back them up. Wait…what? I said wasn’t going to debate with you, guess I’m not since I just won, again.[/quote]

That’s a whole lot of stupid for one paragraph, but I’ll try to smarten you up anyway.

You’ve been attacking these ideas by calling them new, and claiming that what you believe is correct b/c it’s been around longer. Now you’re telling me that the ideas I support (the origins and directions of which you are sorely mistaken about) are actually old?

Which is it?

Additionally, the point I was making was that the length of time an idea has been around has NO bearing on its validity. So attacking new ideas solely on the basis of them being new is broadcasting your stupidity to the world. Go back to special ed.

Lastly, I’ve actually read all of your posts in this thread and everyone, including me, has thoroughly kicked your ass. You’re just too stupid to realize it. You’re like a boxer that’s been KO’d and is having a dream that he’s still in the fight.

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[quote]quidnunc wrote:
It’s not “hatred towards Christians”, it’s abhorrence for the awful things done in the name of religion and those who deliberately spread it, especially to children who don’t know better.
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Or as Christians like to put it, it is hating the sin, not hating the sinner.

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[quote]tom63 wrote:
I think it works for me at least. I might not get a pony, but I find calmness and peace by praying. I like knowing there is a bigger plan than mine and there is help out there for me.

I believe this, anyone else can believe what they want.[/quote]

You can find calmness and peace by meditating as well. I understand the comfort of believing that there is a bigger plan and help out there, but would you really want to believe that if it wasn’t real? I guess some would, but I prefer the truth. And surprisingly, I’ve found that the truth can actually be beautiful and meaningful in its own right.

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[quote]forlife wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
I am saying that if randomly the situation we are in was created by random causes, it would be impossible to be here.

I think maybe the disconnect is because you keep assuming everything is random, OR it was caused by a supernatural being.

You’re ignoring the possibility of universal laws, like gravity for example. These laws have no inherent “intelligence”, but they do provide order. It is much less a logical stretch to allow that these laws have always existed as part of the nature of the universe, than to claim a supernatural being has always existed (the latter being a far more complex and less likely probability).[/quote]

Who created the laws.

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[quote]mbm693 wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:

First off, the Theory of Gravity was not accept immediately after it was put in place, it took a great deal of time for it to be accepted. Second, these theories, that you think are new, are not. They are old theories thought to be true by narcissism when created, brushed off and called new. They however sadly (for you) are being pushed out of seminaries, and universities because they have still no evidence to back them up. Wait…what? I said wasn’t going to debate with you, guess I’m not since I just won, again.

That’s a whole lot of stupid for one paragraph, but I’ll try to smarten you up anyway.

You’ve been attacking these ideas by calling them new, and claiming that what you believe is correct b/c it’s been around longer. Now you’re telling me that the ideas I support (the origins and directions of which you are sorely mistaken about) are actually old?

Which is it?

Additionally, the point I was making was that the length of time an idea has been around has NO bearing on its validity. So attacking new ideas solely on the basis of them being new is broadcasting your stupidity to the world. Go back to special ed.

Lastly, I’ve actually read all of your posts in this thread and everyone, including me, has thoroughly kicked your ass. You’re just too stupid to realize it. You’re like a boxer that’s been KO’d and is having a dream that he’s still in the fight.
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They are new for the fact they are newer than orthodox, they are just old modernisms that are being dusted off and being called newly found. Hope you understand.

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[quote]mbm693 wrote:
Buff HardBack wrote:
“just fucked up the basic vocabulary of English vocab,”…what?

No no. The part where he writes “I’ll poor your own modernism flavored kool-aid for you.” is much better.

Chris, if you’re going to be the grammar Nazi, at least have proper grammar in your posts. [/quote]

To you and forlife, I am not being a grammar Nazi, even though several people on the opposite side of my argument have been grammar Nazis themselves. I was talking about vocab and using a word (misspelled or not) that was contradictory to their argument. Let’s not make this about spelling and grammar. I was solely talking about your vocabulary made it so your statement was contradictory.

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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
forlife wrote:
Does it not make you a little suspicious that your belief system is, by definition, unconfirmable? You’ve set up the perfect crime for yourself.

Think about it.

You can claim whatever you want about your god, and how your life is blessed in material ways due to your faith and prayers.

However, the moment anyone actually attempts to assess the truthfulness of those claims, you respond that your god refuses to be measured in such a way.

Thus, it is impossible to actually confirm any of your claims.

Given that your claims literally cannot be substantiated, what differentiates them from any fairy tale that someone might concoct?

I have one question, how is our faith uncomfirmable? Which is not a word by the way, but I get your gist. You can very well see if you look at the earth that there has to be some creator.

No, the earth is amazing however everything on it can be explained without the need of recourse to a supreme being. It is lazy to use a supreme being to fill in the gaps in your personal understanding or education.

Statistically speaking it would be impossible for the earth and Universe to be as it is by chance. There has to be something that created it. Second, a cause and effect for you little “God doesn’t existites”, does cause and effect not explain that something one and of itself and separate have to be, to cause a line of effects and causes. Meaning that there has to be an Eternal Causer for all the effects in the world.

You clearly have no understanding of statistics. If there are infinite universes as some posit then our existence on this planet has a probability of 1.

You are also looking at things the wrong way round. Space is big. You just won’t believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it’s a long way down the road to the drug store, but that’s just peanuts to space. Because it is so big and varied there are parts of it that are condusive to life of the type found on Earth. Now add in a very, very long time and surprise surprise in one of the tiny bits of the universe that is condusive to life we find life. The statistical probability of this is actually pretty high when you look at the universe and time as a whole.

The problem is that our minds have problems coping with quite how big the universe is and quite how much time we are talking about. This is no surprise because we are conditioned to think in terms of a couple of lifetimes at most and spaces not much larger than a small village.

I’m not talking about the probability that we are here on earth, I am not a philosopher who questions if this is reality. I am saying that if randomly the situation we are in was created by random causes, it would be impossible to be here.

OK, try reading what I wrote again, take your time, ask questions, look up words that are unfamiliar.

I am not talking about the philosophical question of whether we are really here or not. I am saying that given that our being here is actually a statistical inevitability given a large enough universe and enough time.[/quote]

Alright, let me see if I can explain. Say there is a thousand categories that have to be within a narrow margin for life to be possible. Let’s say a few are distance from heat source, tilt of satellite, speed of revolution, speed of orbit, atmosphere, environment, etc. Now there are thousands and millions of possibilities of these thousands conditions. You’re saying that all these things happened by chance.

Let me ask a question, what is the most complex of the following three:

A. Gun
B. Truck
C. Worm

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[quote]mbm693 wrote:

Look, the whole world is already here. So either it sprang into existence (through the big bang since that’s what the evidence points to) or an Eternal Causer randomly sprang into existence. In order to create the world, the Eternal Causer would necessarily have to be more complicated than the world, and would therefore be less likely to exist. This is philosophy 101, please educate yourself before making foolish claims.
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This is what I am talking about, the Eternal Causer is not going to randomly spring into existence, the definition of Eternal is forever. No beginning, no end. Forever.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Who created the laws.[/quote]

You missed the point of my post, which was that the laws themselves define the nature of the universe, and are far simpler and more parsimonious than the idea of a supernatural, magical man floating in the sky. Gravity doesn’t require a supernatural being to define it, since it is by definition a natural law.

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forlife:Wrote You can find calmness and peace by meditating as well. I understand the comfort of believing that there is a bigger plan and help out there, but would you really want to believe that if it wasn’t real? I guess some would, but I prefer the truth. And surprisingly, I’ve found that the truth can actually be beautiful and meaningful in its own right.

This is what I want to hear forlife’s version of the truth. The truth is if we put all the homosexuals on their own planet as simply that homosexuals within 100 years give ,or take you would all be gone,and your planet void of people. No ammount of praying would change that fact ,because you are going against the natural order of things. No artifical insemination doesn’t count everything homosexual on your planet.

Sadly your taste of religion was a bad one,and I am sorry for that. The founder of the Mormons Smith ,and Russell the jehovah’s witnesses founder were both 33rd degree masons ,and Lucifer worshippers,and cults in essence leading their followers to Hell with them! The Catholic church is also a cult which was infiltrated by satan,and many of her abominations ,blasphemies go back to ancient Babylon ,and the tower of Babel. They are many ,and too numerous to list here. I was once Catholic as you were once mormon. I began to ask questions about my religion that I found hard to believe just as you did.

I PRAYED to GOD for answers and was given many. Praying to statues of Mary ,and Saints is useless they are at best graven images much like the golden calf Moses found the jews worshipping. The pope is not the vicar of Christ he is a mere man nor is he Pontifus Maximus the supreme pontiff ,or god on earth.

There is good reason that after Martin Luther posted his 95 theses he was labled a heretic by the church and a marked man. His biggest concerns seemed to be the church stand on buying your way into heaven,and that the bible not the church was the supreme authority. There was a time if a catholic was found to have a bible he was burned to death on a pole with the Bible. The catholic church teaches that it is supreme,and has the authority to over rule GOD!

Jesus never preached that if someone won’t believe the way you do to torture ,and persecute them to submission ,or death which ever came first. The catholic church is famous for this in their inquisitions,and their main target was the jews.

Jesus preached as stated in Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. In other words if someone doesn’t want to hear go on to the next one don’t waste your time a reprobate mind simply will not be able to hear the TRUTH!

What I am trying to tell you is there are religions which claim to be christian,but simply are not. They thanks to satan do a good job of covering their tracks.

Rev 17-19 17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

The water of eternal life is given freely you don’t have to take it. Anyone adds ,or subtracts to the words of the book . GOD will add the plagues in the book to him,or GOD will subtract him from the book of life .

Your old religion obviously didn’t read this ,because they claim to have a whole other book of the bible. I would be scared to death to claim that.

You are an intelligent guy I see that. I told you of a New World order ,or one world government,Religion,and ruler. Its all in the Bible which I know you hate. Sad truth is that the Antichrist ,and false prophet will rule as foretold for 7 years it is all there for you to read in Daniel ,and Revelation,and he will be without need of a woman. He will make you take his mark 666. without it you can not buy, sell,or hold a job. Refuse the mark and you will be beheaded.

In all honesty if you look at the world you can see this one world government coming together. Oh and by the way EVERY Bible prophecy from the beginning until now has come true . The Jews were at the mercy of the world without a homeland from 70 AD when the 2nd temple was destroyed as Jesus predicted in Matt 24,1-3 until they were put back in their homeland in 1948. Imagine how much praying they did knowing GOD had promised them something ,but not knowing when! Almost 1900 years.

The religions of the world will be pulled together into one religion by the mother child worship that they all have now in some way shape ,or form. This go’s back to ancient babylon with Semiramus ,and Tamuz. The theme will be the mother of the universe which is why the Catholic church has elevated mary to a level of co-redeemer with Jesus.

It is my fondest wish forlife that you do indeed find the truth. To know all the evil that will soon be unleashed in our world,and have the peace about it that I have I know there is a GOD,and he took the form of the man Jesus. He died for my sins ,and yours,and even greater than that he died for the sins of the world. He died for all who hate him. Could you do that forlife die on a cross for the sins of some one who hated you? I couldn’t!

In any event forlife I am praying for you to see the truth. GOD BLESS YOU please pray that you are considered worthy!

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
Brother Chris wrote:
forlife wrote:
Does it not make you a little suspicious that your belief system is, by definition, unconfirmable? You’ve set up the perfect crime for yourself.

Think about it.

You can claim whatever you want about your god, and how your life is blessed in material ways due to your faith and prayers.

However, the moment anyone actually attempts to assess the truthfulness of those claims, you respond that your god refuses to be measured in such a way.

Thus, it is impossible to actually confirm any of your claims.

Given that your claims literally cannot be substantiated, what differentiates them from any fairy tale that someone might concoct?

I have one question, how is our faith uncomfirmable? Which is not a word by the way, but I get your gist. You can very well see if you look at the earth that there has to be some creator.

No, the earth is amazing however everything on it can be explained without the need of recourse to a supreme being. It is lazy to use a supreme being to fill in the gaps in your personal understanding or education.

Statistically speaking it would be impossible for the earth and Universe to be as it is by chance. There has to be something that created it. Second, a cause and effect for you little “God doesn’t existites”, does cause and effect not explain that something one and of itself and separate have to be, to cause a line of effects and causes. Meaning that there has to be an Eternal Causer for all the effects in the world.

You clearly have no understanding of statistics. If there are infinite universes as some posit then our existence on this planet has a probability of 1.

You are also looking at things the wrong way round. Space is big. You just won’t believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it’s a long way down the road to the drug store, but that’s just peanuts to space. Because it is so big and varied there are parts of it that are condusive to life of the type found on Earth. Now add in a very, very long time and surprise surprise in one of the tiny bits of the universe that is condusive to life we find life. The statistical probability of this is actually pretty high when you look at the universe and time as a whole.

The problem is that our minds have problems coping with quite how big the universe is and quite how much time we are talking about. This is no surprise because we are conditioned to think in terms of a couple of lifetimes at most and spaces not much larger than a small village.

I’m not talking about the probability that we are here on earth, I am not a philosopher who questions if this is reality. I am saying that if randomly the situation we are in was created by random causes, it would be impossible to be here.

OK, try reading what I wrote again, take your time, ask questions, look up words that are unfamiliar.

I am not talking about the philosophical question of whether we are really here or not. I am saying that given that our being here is actually a statistical inevitability given a large enough universe and enough time.

Alright, let me see if I can explain. Say there is a thousand categories that have to be within a narrow margin for life to be possible. Let’s say a few are distance from heat source, tilt of satellite, speed of revolution, speed of orbit, atmosphere, environment, etc. Now there are thousands and millions of possibilities of these thousands conditions. You’re saying that all these things happened by chance.

Let me ask a question, what is the most complex of the following three:

A. Gun
B. Truck
C. Worm[/quote]

No you dumb arse, I am saying that the Universe is vast which means that you have a huge range of variations of conditions not surprisingly in the part that just so happens to have conditions condusive to life like ours we find life like ours. That is quite clearly not something that happened by chance. It happened because of the local conditions. This is not proof of God. If anything it is proof that there is no God. Why would God have been so wasteful as to have used less of a fraction of a percent of the universe and less than a fraction of a percent of time to put his chosen people in?

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[quote]GrandpaButch wrote:
forlife:Wrote You can find calmness and peace by meditating as well. I understand the comfort of believing that there is a bigger plan and help out there, but would you really want to believe that if it wasn’t real? I guess some would, but I prefer the truth. And surprisingly, I’ve found that the truth can actually be beautiful and meaningful in its own right.

This is what I want to hear forlife’s version of the truth. The truth is if we put all the homosexuals on their own planet as simply that homosexuals within 100 years give ,or take you would all be gone,and your planet void of people. No ammount of praying would change that fact ,because you are going against the natural order of things. No artifical insemination doesn’t count everything homosexual on your planet.

Sadly your taste of religion was a bad one,and I am sorry for that. The founder of the Mormons Smith ,and Russell the jehovah’s witnesses founder were both 33rd degree masons ,and Lucifer worshippers,and cults in essence leading their followers to Hell with them! The Catholic church is also a cult which was infiltrated by satan,and many of her abominations ,blasphemies go back to ancient Babylon ,and the tower of Babel. They are many ,and too numerous to list here. I was once Catholic as you were once mormon. I began to ask questions about my religion that I found hard to believe just as you did.

I PRAYED to GOD for answers and was given many. Praying to statues of Mary ,and Saints is useless they are at best graven images much like the golden calf Moses found the jews worshipping. The pope is not the vicar of Christ he is a mere man nor is he Pontifus Maximus the supreme pontiff ,or god on earth.

There is good reason that after Martin Luther posted his 95 theses he was labled a heretic by the church and a marked man. His biggest concerns seemed to be the church stand on buying your way into heaven,and that the bible not the church was the supreme authority. There was a time if a catholic was found to have a bible he was burned to death on a pole with the Bible. The catholic church teaches that it is supreme,and has the authority to over rule GOD!

Jesus never preached that if someone won’t believe the way you do to torture ,and persecute them to submission ,or death which ever came first. The catholic church is famous for this in their inquisitions,and their main target was the jews.

Jesus preached as stated in Matthew 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. In other words if someone doesn’t want to hear go on to the next one don’t waste your time a reprobate mind simply will not be able to hear the TRUTH!

What I am trying to tell you is there are religions which claim to be christian,but simply are not. They thanks to satan do a good job of covering their tracks.

Rev 17-19 17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

The water of eternal life is given freely you don’t have to take it. Anyone adds ,or subtracts to the words of the book . GOD will add the plagues in the book to him,or GOD will subtract him from the book of life .

Your old religion obviously didn’t read this ,because they claim to have a whole other book of the bible. I would be scared to death to claim that.

You are an intelligent guy I see that. I told you of a New World order ,or one world government,Religion,and ruler. Its all in the Bible which I know you hate. Sad truth is that the Antichrist ,and false prophet will rule as foretold for 7 years it is all there for you to read in Daniel ,and Revelation,and he will be without need of a woman. He will make you take his mark 666. without it you can not buy, sell,or hold a job. Refuse the mark and you will be beheaded.

In all honesty if you look at the world you can see this one world government coming together. Oh and by the way EVERY Bible prophecy from the beginning until now has come true . The Jews were at the mercy of the world without a homeland from 70 AD when the 2nd temple was destroyed as Jesus predicted in Matt 24,1-3 until they were put back in their homeland in 1948. Imagine how much praying they did knowing GOD had promised them something ,but not knowing when! Almost 1900 years.

The religions of the world will be pulled together into one religion by the mother child worship that they all have now in some way shape ,or form. This go’s back to ancient babylon with Semiramus ,and Tamuz. The theme will be the mother of the universe which is why the Catholic church has elevated mary to a level of co-redeemer with Jesus.

It is my fondest wish forlife that you do indeed find the truth. To know all the evil that will soon be unleashed in our world,and have the peace about it that I have I know there is a GOD,and he took the form of the man Jesus. He died for my sins ,and yours,and even greater than that he died for the sins of the world. He died for all who hate him. Could you do that forlife die on a cross for the sins of some one who hated you? I couldn’t!

In any event forlife I am praying for you to see the truth. GOD BLESS YOU please pray that you are considered worthy!
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NURSE, THE SCREENS!