Both the test and deca in those labs were pharma prescribed from a trt clinic
Nobody would do this. It would be a savings of a few dollars per vial. Anyone who’s doing large enough volume to make money off of that scam would have a base of users constantly testing their stuff (otherwise they’d never have gotten so big). The small time labs wouldn’t risk their fledgling business to make an extra $17 off of the dozen vials of deca they sell each week. This rule is for US based labs. I will not make any comments about operations overseas. Those are a whole different story and I shall not speculate about the economics of some lab in Warsaw or Ankara.
I’ll also say getting something like fake test is probably more difficult than most think. Enough people do bloods that they would be caught almost instantly. It just isn’t a profitable business model. I do think SARMs are faked more than something like test or dbol (both easy to determine if real).
as @iron_yuppie said it’s more to do with the test assay than fake AAS. Clinics that prescribe Deca tell you this off the bat, and decrease your testosterone prescription so your number is not too far out of range to raise a red flag to their practices. Also as stated, I don’t think there are as many faked drugs as get thrown around, its too easy to get a test and sources typically wouldn’t risk the press on the forums where you are allowed to talk about it.
Well, you say nobody, but here is my experience -
My blast was 1g of test and 800mgs of tren. So when i got fake tren, my test was higher than on real tren, my e2 was 10 times the norm(i am sensitive to test so adding a bit of test gives me tripple e2), but my prolactin was in the normal range, but when im on real tren, my prolactin doubles each week like 20-40-80-160 etc. But i still DID GET the cough sometimes and i do know my tren cough, so that means that some tren was in there.
When i got real tren, normalised my e2, my test levels dropped a bit, e2 normalised for the amount of test i was taking, and my prolactin did double each week like it usualy does and i got more caugh more often.
Go figure…
That crap was Thailand i believe.
Idk about US labs, but most good stuff we get here is India, UK, Switzerland, Balkan, Russia and those come in friggin containers… i mean, cheaping off a few bucks on a vial would produce like millions for a whole shipment.
Lucky, since its cheap and there are no laws about this, there is no point actually fake it, but the crap i had, was known for being bad(i didnt know that at the time).
So basically, shit does happen, even if it does not make any sense.
Yeah, that was real tren, bud. On the non-sensitive assays tren shows up as e2. No amount of test would give you that kind of e2 spike without causing you a ton of other symptoms. Know what does cause that e2 reading? Tren. It was real, your blood test just wasn’t the right one. It “normalized” the second time because they used the other assay.
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No. Tren never shows as E2. I read the same thing a few years ago on the internet and asked about that to a source i got the new tren, he said that in all his life of selling stuff to athletes who always get bloodwork done, no such thing has ever been seen. I did 2 bloods in same lab with fake tren and it gave me high e2 reading, and i switched tren, went to same lab again, e2 was normal and i use same lab, same cabinet, even same old nurse lady and my e2 has never been like that again. So the whole lab chain switched their methods as soon as i changed my tren?
Tren shows up as e2 on the ELICA assay. I don’t know what to tell you other than that.
You know an absolute ton about training, dieting, and combat sports. You’re obviously a finely tuned machine and that’s impressive on a number of levels. But when it comes to this nerd shit you should trust those of us who are the actual nerds.
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Dude, i live in one of the poorest countries in Europe, the lab didnt change their methodics just because i switched my tren.
We have like 1 lab chain in whole country, and the results come from the same place. 2 times my e2 was sky high, then i switched my tren, 10 days after its normal.
Also - i mentioned that on fake tren my prolactin was normal, and after switching it can only be kept normal with caber.
The possibility that they changed their methodics of testing at the same time i switched my tren is non existant. Also, the dude that sells my stuff always has all his clients tested on everything and he said that he has never seen anything like that.
Also, when my e2 was 10 times the norm i couldnt cum in like an hour which is a thing i get on high e2 always.
Im not saying you are wrong, but i am saying that it wasnt pure tren in my case and there IS a chance, someone is getting test in their tren/deca or whatever.
Yes, maybe it does show up like that, but it should also rise prolactin and wouldnt come with delayed ejaculation.
Then you got sold fake tren. Congratulations, you win. You got scammed and for whatever reason you’re really trying to drive home that particular point. But that does not at all change the fact that tren shows up as e2 on the ELICA assay. Those two things are not incompatible.
I did not want to change that fact, i just presented my experience with how they sometimes fill 90% up with test, cuz you said that nobody would do that and what my test showed. I dont know much about some abstract facts, but i can tell you my experience and just say what my bloodwork showed.
Fair enough. Your experience is wildly divergent from that of a typical US consumer, so perhaps I should have allowed for a wider range of behaviors (most of which would not be tolerated elsewhere) by the sources you have access to.
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As a reminder to all: We don’t name sources here.
Well sorry… but I didn’t post source I think?
I just mentioned brand name and the site that independently test aas. But anyway if that’s not allowed then my bad.
Sources, brands, distributors - all under the same umbrella. Basically, we don’t discuss where or who, more about how and why.
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Sorry to bump this old post, I just got bloods back and the test and free test were both higher than I was expecting (although not outrageous), I was using 100mg of deca up until 11 weeks ago do we think this could still be affecting the results? Some of the above posts say no it would be gone but 1 says his were affected after around 16 weeks.
Any further thoughts please?
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No
was still using it, looking for the day to stop and have labs be in range
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@throwawayfitness
Thanks for the quick reply, I’ve just reread and see that now!
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