And if the business software is any good, it will be pretty hard to fuck anything up too bad.
There are quite a few jobs in many businesses which mostly boil down to executing transactions correctly, yet still have some rather ridiculous educational and experience requirements. Deeper insight into what you’re actually doing is always nice, but often unnecessary.
You’re making excellent points, Treco.
My wife is currently looking for a job and shies away from applying to many because she doesn’t think she’s qualified. I have to remind her that the job descriptions most employers list is the “perfect candidate who doesn’t exist…or already has a job at a much higher level”. I’ve read my own job description many times over the years and each time my response is “I don’t do that; I can’t do that…”
Well yeah it depends on the career. The people complaining about the job system are usually the ones I’m referring to though.
Classic LOL! Nice
Good post and hopefully I’ll have more later. Getting ready for a road trip to see Iron Maiden. Don’t disagree per se but there are some notable differences.
Your company got freaking lucky with you being such a hard charger. Hopefully they know that lol.
It’s funny. The way hiring is done hasn’t changed much for a long time. You provide a resume or application. Come in for interviews and on that basis you are hired. Now canning your ass has become much easier and revolutionary.
This is where I depart from my conservative friends because I do not think there is enough legal protection for workers. From my own experience, I know myself and a lot of other people who were laid off because of mistakes my upper management made. The thing to keep in mind is that this is not an opinion, the bastard pleaded down from 53 to 8 counts of fraud and served 8 years in prison. So he got his. But I have seen it to many times, bosses come up with ‘new initiatives’ that don’t quite pan out. They get to keep their jobs and their employees pay the price by losing their jobs. I know life ain’t fair but that’s bullshit. I can give details but won’t because I don’t want to be libel for things I said on the internet.
Employees need more protections so that managers cannot make willy-nilly mistakes that cause their subordinates to lose their jobs while they just say “Oops!” and move on.
People living on the razors edge of getting canned all the time tend not to be loyal employees.
Not trying to be a jerk and I don’t know much about the field but why just an associates? You have a degree yes, but the lowest possible one.
Very related then,
Professions are very saturated, and on top of that canada is bringing tons of immigrant from the tons of foreign mostly fraudulent universities and to the country’s universities.
Law is extremely saturated where I live.
M.Eng with Mba is very saturated too.
Health profession protect themselves better but more and more aren’t finding jobs.
Cannot. Fucking. Wait. The opener is shite though so I have to lol
Who is opening?
Surprised Maiden has any opener, a la Zep - just 3+ hours of jam would have been my guess. But dudes are 50ish, l guess.
Immigration might be good ( well legal immigration but we have to ask ourselves how much is too much)
Wow this thread has received more replies than I intended 
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Baby boomer misinformation (ie: If you get a degree the world will be your oyster my son!) + The increasingly qualification-centric world we now live in + a certain degree of narcissism & entiltlement many youngsters now have (please do not take that personally btw since A: I used to be a bit of an entitled bellend myself tbh & B: That criticism may not apply to you) + what Pat quite rightly said is very much a factor= The situation you and stacks of other people are in.
It time you can probably you can probably be successful, you just need to accept that things ain’t the same as they used to be.
I just remembered. #1 piece of advice that worked for me. Use headhunters/recruiters. Their entire livelihood depends on them knowing and maintaining relationships with hiring managers. They can get your foot in the door at that starter job when sending your resume to that very job would have failed. They can get your butt in the seat, you just have to close the deal.
The boys are 60s, but played their opener off the stage (opener was Ghost). The guys put people half their age to shame (see below)
Yes and it was all worth it lol. We made it to about 3 people from the front (all pit, standing room only). I don’t think Bruce or Janick stopping running across the stage for any part of the 2+ hours. Janick literally threw his guitar 3 stories upstairs during the finale of “Number of the Beast” (I have it on video but no stills).
Ok, back on topic now–sorry for the details fellas!! I am still amped with adrenaline the day after lol.
In an attempt to not let this post be completely void of contribution to the topic re: job market, I have to say that grade inflation–and by extension then, degree inflation–is probably one of the biggest driving factors I see in the dysfunction. Companies have adjusted to the inflation by requiring degrees where none were needed before, and higher degrees where basic degrees were fine.
Even in academia, divorced as it is from the market, you see this: not only do you need a PhD, but you need a post doctoral position (essentially a really high level internship/low paying grunt work job). Now not only do you need a post doc, but 2 or even 3 (3-6 years) is often required to get a lead investigator position with tenure track. There has been created by this mess a semi-permanent “limbo” position of “permanent post-doc”. Drastically underpaid and essentially non-academic but also non-industrial.
Welcome to the PWI forum lol.
To be fair, for the baby boomers who raised the last few generations it WAS more or less true that a college degree granted you an amazing job future.
Agree on the qualification centric world, but would amend it to “certification centric”, since experience is certainly qualifying but hard to Quantify. I know far too many certified but not qualified individuals.
This is the PhD hell that can cause debilitating psychological issues.
You were supposedly the smartest kid in high school and in college and great things were expected from you. You wanted to be a scientist.
And you are a scientist. And then you notice that the less academically successful friends are making much, much more money, buying houses and starting families, while you’re close to 35 on your third post doc and still unable to afford a room with a bathroom just for yourself.
Pretty much destroys one’s sense of self worth, especially if you’ve been raised to believe that academic success equals real life success.
Oh man, that is so, so, so true. Well put. It’s like a giant sinkhole. And the reason that most go into this hell is that they want the academic freedom to pursue their own projects instead of staying on a production R&D course in pharmacy or something similar (I.e. it’s not money driven because industry pays more) But a lot never come out of it because they can’t get the connections to hit tenure track. So they end up with both no money and no intellectual freedom.
