Hey guys, was just wondering if anyone sees any issues with this cycle?
test 400 p/w weeks 1-14 (frontload) (shot mon/thurs)
deca 300 p/w weeks 1-14 (frontload) (shot mon/thurs)
superdrol 10/20/20 (1st 3 weeks)
gw carndanine 10mg twice ED
proviron 50mg ED to start (depending on response from my body)
Arimidex 0.5mg EOD (again depending on how my body responds)
supplementation:
milk thistle
liver guard
I’m 22, 6’1 and 200lbs i have been training for 5 years and have two cycles under my belt. I wouldn’t have experimented with drol just yet but i received it as an extra. PCT is already covered.
Yes, why are you using anastrazole immediately. Using a medication as powerful as anastrazole prior to the incidence of side effects isn’t necessary. If you were on 1g test + I’d understand
That is still a high dose of Test and w/Deca you will get additional aromatization.
It is very foolish to not use Anastrozole. I recommend 1/4 tab every three days, starting 3 days after the first pin. Test your Estradiol in 2 weeks, and again at 5 weeks. You can make tweaks to the Anastrozole; likely you will need to go up to 1/4 tab daily, depending on your rate of aromatization.
I would disagree. For starters Deca aromatizes far less than Test does and many are fine with no AI, including myself, at those doses. But your recommendation is not too aggressive with the AI so I don’t think its bad advice. I just wouldn’t go as far to say its ‘foolish’ to start without one.
Explain to me why it’s foolish to not alter hormonal ratios when already inducing profound dysregulation within the body… altering ratios between androgen/estrogen when estrogen when in appropriate ratio estrogen aids within glucose and lipid metabolism, neurological regulation, nitric oxide production, overall anabolism…
You can’t expect to shove a gram of test within yourself but estrogen to magically stay within physiologic ranges. The implementation of an AI heavily exacerbates negative effects of AAS on lipids, endothelial dysfunction etc…
An AI on 400mg test isn’t required. I personally believe an AI isnt nessecary unless you cross say the 750mg+ test range (preferably 1000mg)… but then again most recreational gym rats have no need to be blasting grams of gear
If one aromatises too much, look at BF% (visceral adipose tissue is a recognised endocrine organ that that contains aromatase), diet, lifestyle (drinking a lot of beer perhaps)
There are special occasions, but that’s an exception to the norm
I’ve never used an ai when I use gear (I’ve used 250mg test 20mg dbol) the aromatisation from such a combination should be roughly 70-80% of what OP will experience within his cycle
What were your Estradiol levels on 250mg Test./20mg Dbol?
Having an Estradiol >40pg/ml (for example) may not cause gyno as long as androgens are proportionally much higher. However, you may have lots of other issues like ED, significant water retention, etc. You are running unnecessary risks, as there is no reason to allow E2 from getting out of hand. More E2 will not be helpful, but likely detrimental.
It can get problematic since Deca is also going to be used. Progestins will not play well with too much Estrogen in the picture.
My estrogen is twice that on 200mg/week. I started with anastrozole and couldn’t figure out why I never felt right. Eventually stopped and started feeling much better and actually had a libido. I understand you’re from the old school and it’s hard to change religions once you’ve committed so much time to one but I can tell you from experience that you aren’t correct. The ratio of T to E is much more important than E itself.
Thank you for all points and replies, I understand that now that deca aromatizes less than testosterone. I was under the impression from a coach that deca aromatized far more than test and running an AI was a MUST. Upon doing some quite in depth research I now understand he didn’t have much of an idea about what he was talking about. For reference, I had zero estrogen related sides at 750test for the final 4 weeks of my previous test cycle. Considering that my totals will be higher because i’m frontloading I will get bloods done week 2 and 6 to assess if Anastrozole is needed. Regardless I have it on hand if any sides do occur before the Bloods. Please feel free to critique my approach.
I always have the idea that if one cannot take 250mg-500mg without an AI, it means you have poor genetics for favourable steroid responses and it’s time to seek out another activity. My opinion anyways.
That, or your lifestyle, body fat, and general overall health sucks. In which case, why are you taking gear in the first place.
Vanity, fame, harboured insecurities etc. many actors per se hop on gear to make dramatic, incredibly unhealthy transformations (Christian bale in Batman comes to mind… for the machinist or whatever that film was called he sustained himself on a diet of like… black coffee and like a pack of cigarettes per day. Then he hopped on gear and put on a ton of weight very quickly… extremely unhealthy, but this is the fame example
For vanity/insecurity… Zyzz… look up Zyzz (died aged 21 due to arrhythmia induced by a combination of cocaine, dehydration and an undiagnosed congenital heart defect)
The notion of 2-500mg test and AI isnt true, as one can simply opt for non aromatising compounds. However if one wants to say… compete in bodybuilding seriously, but can’t take 250mg test without developing titties, high blood pressure etc, then yes… he’s out
You’re ideology in my opinion isn’t correct, but each to their own
I’d explain as to why, demonstrate mechanisms and benefits of letting E2 run wild if you’re a healthy adult male… but I’m partied out right now
Two days ago I was out til 6 am, got back up at 10… last night I was up til 7, got up at 11… so 8 hours sleep in the past two days and I’m completely boop florptoopdibbled