How do you get DOMs in your knees? That sounds like actual pain to me
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You’re doing workouts with probably 10x the volume of the highest volume DW day, thus producing an insane amount of lactic acid, with damaged kidneys that are likely unable to metabolize any reasonable amount of lactic acid, putting yourself at risk for lactic acidosis, which involves some stuff you routinely mention. 0 flame, just a worried thought. Hopefully it’s nothing of that sort. Lots of food, hydration, and some ice/heat can help with that, plus stretching right after you finish your workouts isn’t a bad idea either. Again, only a thought concerning your safety, no judgements.
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Well, not DOMS exactly, more like my knees are sore
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That would be something I would put some thought into and investigate a bit.
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Man, I haven’t looked at the intermediate program in DW closely since I read it more than a year ago, but it’s way, way worse, haha. Deads 10x10, next day Push Press 10x10, next day Power Cleans 10x10. Not counting the 3x10 squats and 5x10 box jumps on deads day, and the clean pulls on power clean day…that looks MISERABLE.
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WTF! … and I thought benching after deads on sheiko was bad 
That’s just week 1 
go ahead and read how you’re supposed to do week 5
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I remember we had dudes here that didn’t see the point of those clean pulls, then got to those 10x10 cleans on intermediate and it all made sense. The whole back day on beginner is just getting you ready. Its a whole different kind of suck, haha.
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To be fair - unless I missed a very specific sentence in the ebook - there isn’t much explicit mention of the purpose of the clean pulls, and so I see how people could overlook them. I myself, upon reading it the first time, didn’t make the connection between them and the subsequent power cleans in the next level up. It was posts from you, I believe, that showed me the importance of it, and the reason that he puts the word “technique” in parentheses. As obvious as it may seem, he’s giving you these short, miserable few sets to work on your technique before he throws you into the deep end.
There isn’t one. But it’s the whole “put faith in the coach” thing. It all builds.
Which means, when you suffer through the beginner, realize it is merely preparing you for the real work, haha.
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Yeah, that was a crummy moment for me, as I planned out my next beginner cycle, to glance forward in curiosity and realize in a soul-crushing instant, that I am currently enjoying a level of recovery that I should be thankful for, instead of complaining about it like I did earlier.
Shit.
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The older I get the more actively I do this. Have to be careful cause it pisses the wife off sometime
Loving reading the work going on in here and especially enjoying reading about the pain you are going through. 
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Flap, you and me both with the lego stuff. I have 3 kids, oldest is 6, and all they want to do is play legos. Good to see that other dads (evidently most prolific t-n logger dads) engage deeply with their kids.
I wake up very early every morning to try to workout before they wake up. Interruptions are difficult but you gotta love it.
@Voxel while I have no interest or bias on the CT neurotype stuff, its really cool to see such detailed, thoughtful and respectful discussion on a matter of (extremely niche) disagreement. Good stuff.
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Thank you, I appreciate that. I think, in truth, my response was of primary value to me and not necessarily of benefit to anyone else. Cathartic. Appreciate the space to be that egotistical without getting called out.
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Well, then they’d just be “OMS” I think?
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Yes.
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Definitely! I thought my dad was super engaged until I read how committed @flappinit @T3hPwnisher and @SkyzykS are 
Looking back, he was decent with me but basically completely ignored my brother
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Just chiming in for a moment to say that exchange yesterday with @MarkKO and @T3hPwnisher on finding what works is excellent.
Thanks guys.
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Maybe this is a stupid question but for real, we say “DOMS” but nobody talks about “ROMS” or whatever would be implied by lack of “delayed”. Is it a different phenomenon? does it exist separately from DOMS? does it imply a different kind of muscle damage?
And to @anna_5588 's question, not 30 minutes, but within a couple hours after hard leg stuff. And I assume this is normal, but I normally don’t get sore from anything that I am used to doing, even if it was a lot more volume. But changing the movement to something new - like lunges instead of squats - gets me every time.
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