On the carb vs no carb, I really do not know.
A lot of people have done the paleo thing eating meat and fat cutting out carbs because when we were cavemen that was what we ate. BS! we ate grass, seeds and fruit most of the time, when and if we killed an animal we could feast.
That being said as a former bike racer (I ain’t that for life) I had to have a lot of sugar. On some of the longer or harder races I would use all the sugar stored and I’d hit the wall, going from racing speed of 45 - 50 km/h to less than half of it. Heart rate going from 195 to 140.
That’s the Indy car vs Honda Civic @T3hPwnisher talks about too.
Cross fit and the likes I think requires more carbs than ordinary weight lifting.
Aerobic exercise: requires oxygen and carbs for you to work hard.
Anaerobic: doesn’t require many carbs, you replenish the ATP between sets.
Your experience with the press is incredibly common on the program. Jon picks weights that demoralize you twice. First is on paper, when you go “that’s really all I’m going to lift?” and second is during the workout, where the first 4 sets you think “this weight is too light” and then set 7 hits and you go “sh*t, I don’t think I’m going to be able to complete the workout”
For me, sets 7 and 8 were always no man’s land. At least AFTER completing set 9 I could tell myself there was only 1 more set, but those ones that were too far from the beginning but not close enough to the end sucked.
God especially on later week deadlifts and strict press. I had the exact same thing happen and would deem it the “7th set dread”.The press just stops going up around that point and the lightest weights feel horrible.
The squats are hard, but you can sit there with the bar on your back and kind of gasp for air. The deadlifts just demolish your entire being and make picking up anything else impossible, but somehow you keep going. I’ve never been more miserable than I was doing my 8th set of deadlifts in week 3. That 2 minutes is absolutely nothing by then and knowing you have to do twenty more is the hardest mental thing to get over.
@oldbeancam@t3hpwnisher Not really sure why I tried to convince myself of this, but I looked at today’s workout and was like “that doesn’t seem so bad”, except that’s the thing about this fucking program - every day sucks. Especially when my shoulders were fatigued. Ugh.
Deep Water: Beginner Program Week 1, Day 4
Flat Bench
205 2x10, 1x8
Close Grip Bench
155 3x10
Incline Pushups on pushup bars, slow negatives
3x10
Bench dips (no dip bars available)
3x failure
Pushups
3x failure
3 rounds of 1 min plank and 20 pushups.
Just a mindfuck of a workout to get through.
I meant to type up some thoughts last night on the training, but pwn and cam summed it up pretty nicely with the no-mans land. Another thought is that I’ve spent almost a year operating on pretty low volume, and despite ramping up the intensity to make up for it, it obviously destroyed my endurance during workouts. I’m hating it, but seeing the merit in being able to push through for long periods of time, instead of doing 1-2 sets and telling my body that’s all it needs to do. Not hating on lower volume, just seeing some of the negative effects here.
It actually calls for 3 types, but my homemade bench isn’t incline -worthy, so I did feet elevated push-ups on push-up bars and did them super slow to at least try and make up for it. Still, at the last lifting day of week 1 I don’t feel run down despite being sore all over, and it’s no doubt because of the buttloads of meat and fish I’m putting down with green veggies and lots of fat from peanut butter, avocados in my salads, and oil. One things for sure - this program cannot be done without a significant surplus of fuel!
Fuck, this makes me think about NOT running Deep Water. Sorry @kdjohn couldn’t resist.
Flap those workouts looks as you say deceptively easy, but I can see with the volume and the shoulder workout prior it’s going to be hard.
Maybe I’ll dip my toes in the water next year.
I picked the most ghetto image I could find, but there are some decent ones out there.
The shoulder fatigue thing is real. The program is so expertly designed to ALWAYS suck, haha. Push pressing after 10x10 squats is another such example. Awful time to try to get leg drive.
and somewhere I have fat grips, I can put them on the sawhorses and do dips! They have a high weight capacity, I could definitely do it on them, did not even think about it until I saw @kd13’s picture.
I’m looking forward to the writeup and your amazing results
I’ll do conditioning for days, but heavy and high rep for 2 types of bench+pushups and dips??? NO THANK YOU
