Corrections below for appropriate age of target:
[quote]orion wrote:
Or is it the arrogant laugh of the [/quote] old, stuck-in-his-ways[quote] know-it-all that still sees everything in black and white…
Don’t worry, sooner or later the[/quote] senility [quote]kicks in and the world punishes you as long and as hard as it takes to make you a more mature, if not better, person.
[/quote]
Sorry HH, I couldn’t resist. 
Finally got some supporters here. About time the reenforcements arrived. These freakin’ liberal pansies have no idea. They think the American military is somehow fighting in Iraq against it’s will and we’re just a bunch of sheep blindly following orders given by uncaring leadership motivated solely by profit. “Bring those poor, miserable souls home.” Believe it or not, libs, there are a whole bunch of tough, patriotic, dedicated, intelligent young men and women VOLUNTEERING to join the military and go to Iraq or anywhere else to defend this nation. Libs just can’t grasp the concept that this is a great nation worth dieing to protect. They have a hard time understanding the military mind that puts honor, duty, service and sacrifice above everything else. I truly believe if we weren’t fighting in Iraq, we’d be fighting in Chicago, Seattle, Dallas, London, Munich, and Paris.
One of our local flamming liberal columnists wrote an article about activism and actually stated “If you love freedom, thank an activist”. That is their mindset. Freedom has always come through superior firepower. I can’t think of one single political tyrant or dictator who willingly gave up his power.
Disagree with the President all you want, but don’t accuse him of being evil and never forget that WE are the good guys.
Why is Orion, the Austrian Libertarian (whatever that is), still being judgemental about an issue of American troops in Iraq? Are you concerned about the safety of Americans or Middle Eastern terrorists. I get the idea you are not really concerned about Americans.
[quote]PGJ wrote:
Finally got some supporters here. About time the reenforcements arrived. These freakin’ liberal pansies have no idea. They think the American military is somehow fighting in Iraq against it’s will and we’re just a bunch of sheep blindly following orders given by uncaring leadership motivated solely by profit. “Bring those poor, miserable souls home.” Believe it or not, libs, there are a whole bunch of tough, patriotic, dedicated, intelligent young men and women VOLUNTEERING to join the military and go to Iraq or anywhere else to defend this nation. Libs just can’t grasp the concept that this is a great nation worth dieing to protect. They have a hard time understanding the military mind that puts honor, duty, service and sacrifice above everything else. I truly believe if we weren’t fighting in Iraq, we’d be fighting in Chicago, Seattle, Dallas, London, Munich, and Paris.
One of our local flamming liberal columnists wrote an article about activism and actually stated “If you love freedom, thank an activist”. That is their mindset. Freedom has always come through superior firepower. I can’t think of one single political tyrant or dictator who willingly gave up his power.
Disagree with the President all you want, but don’t accuse him of being evil and never forget that WE are the good guys. [/quote]
I can see Harris and Irish driving together in a rented Subaru Outback with the new Neil Young song blaring!!!
Stickers on the car?
“Not my President”
“No more Blood for Oil”
“Bush Lied”…
LOL…Had to do it!
[quote]ALDurr wrote:
Corrections below for appropriate age of target:
orion wrote:
Or is it the arrogant laugh of the old, stuck-in-his-ways know-it-all that still sees everything in black and white…
Don’t worry, sooner or later the senility kicks in and the world punishes you as long and as hard as it takes to make you a more mature, if not better, person.
Sorry HH, I couldn’t resist. [/quote]
Its good. You are intelligent and humorous. You also understand when someone is being ‘playful’. Others do not.
(Translation: Harris is fun to fire up. But I think he finally figured that out; he doesn’t respond to me any longer.) 
HH
[quote]orion wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Comparing a druggie to a Marine fighting (and exterminating) the scum of the earth. PLEASE keep it up Harris, I’m getting my ab workout in!!
You vomit if something is too complex for you?
Or is it the arrogant laugh of the adolescent know-it-all that still sees everything in black and white…
Don?t worry, sooner or later the hormones kick in and the world punishes you as long and as hard as it takes to make you a more mature, if not better, person.
[/quote]
Are you from Braunau?
HH
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Finally got some supporters here. About time the reenforcements arrived. These freakin’ liberal pansies have no idea. They think the American military is somehow fighting in Iraq against it’s will and we’re just a bunch of sheep blindly following orders given by uncaring leadership motivated solely by profit. “Bring those poor, miserable souls home.” Believe it or not, libs, there are a whole bunch of tough, patriotic, dedicated, intelligent young men and women VOLUNTEERING to join the military and go to Iraq or anywhere else to defend this nation. Libs just can’t grasp the concept that this is a great nation worth dieing to protect. They have a hard time understanding the military mind that puts honor, duty, service and sacrifice above everything else. I truly believe if we weren’t fighting in Iraq, we’d be fighting in Chicago, Seattle, Dallas, London, Munich, and Paris.
One of our local flamming liberal columnists wrote an article about activism and actually stated “If you love freedom, thank an activist”. That is their mindset. Freedom has always come through superior firepower. I can’t think of one single political tyrant or dictator who willingly gave up his power.
Disagree with the President all you want, but don’t accuse him of being evil and never forget that WE are the good guys.
I can see Harris and Irish driving together in a rented Subaru Outback with the new Neil Young song blaring!!!
Stickers on the car?
“Not my President”
“No more Blood for Oil”
“Bush Lied”…
LOL…Had to do it![/quote]
You forgot the little gay flag triangle sticker, Kerry for President and a fish with legs eating little fish.
[quote]PGJ wrote:
Why is Orion, the Austrian Libertarian (whatever that is), still being judgemental about an issue of American troops in Iraq? Are you concerned about the safety of Americans or Middle Eastern terrorists. I get the idea you are not really concerned about Americans. [/quote]
I think the invasion of Iraq was a good idea and was done beautifully by American and British troops.
The arguments with which that war was sold in public however, were complete BS and as far as I can see the political plans fo the post-war era consisted of “they will greet us with flowers”.
I believe that Bush and Rumsfeld are incompetent and are in way over their heads and were very succesful in creating a situation were
-the US success in Iraq is dependent on Iran not interfering too much, which is not a good thing if you want to lean on the Iranian government at the same time
I would be deeply worried if I had friends that supported me Bush and Rumsfeld style.
Plus, a middle Eastern man that fights the US is not automatically a terrorist and as long as you think that liberals try to understand opponents, to go hug a few trees together, you are missing out on the whole “get to know your enemy” routine.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
orion wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Comparing a druggie to a Marine fighting (and exterminating) the scum of the earth. PLEASE keep it up Harris, I’m getting my ab workout in!!
You vomit if something is too complex for you?
Or is it the arrogant laugh of the adolescent know-it-all that still sees everything in black and white…
Don?t worry, sooner or later the hormones kick in and the world punishes you as long and as hard as it takes to make you a more mature, if not better, person.
Are you from Braunau?
HH
[/quote]
No, but born in Linz, his favorite city.
[quote]orion wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Why is Orion, the Austrian Libertarian (whatever that is), still being judgemental about an issue of American troops in Iraq? Are you concerned about the safety of Americans or Middle Eastern terrorists. I get the idea you are not really concerned about Americans.
I think the invasion of Iraq was a good idea and was done beautifully by American and British troops.
The arguments with which that war was sold in public however, were complete BS and as far as I can see the political plans fo the post-war era consisted of “they will greet us with flowers”.
I believe that Bush and Rumsfeld are incompetent and are in way over their heads and were very succesful in creating a situation were
-the US success in Iraq is dependent on Iran not interfering too much, which is not a good thing if you want to lean on the Iranian government at the same time
I would be deeply worried if I had friends that supported me Bush and Rumsfeld style.
Plus, a middle Eastern man that fights the US is not automatically a terrorist and as long as you think that liberals try to understand opponents, to go hug a few trees together, you are missing out on the whole “get to know your enemy” routine.
[/quote]
I believe if the Iraqi’s saw a determined, united front in America, they would be more willing to come out cooperate. All they see are American politicians, it’s leaders, fighting over legalities and moralities, calling each other all sorts of names, and on the verge of possible pulling out leaving them there to deal with the Saudi, Syrian, Iranian, and Jordanian terrorists who want power. We’re not fighting Iraqi’s. The “fog of war” is full of errors and blunders. There is a saying in the military that a plan only lasts until first contact with the enemy. Meaning, EVERY plan gets messed up. The question is: do you tuck your tail and run away or do you stay and figure it out? If the allies quit after the Germans and Austrians killed 10,000 American, Brittish, Canadian, Australian troops on a single day on the beaches of Normandy, what would have happened? The D-Day invasion was jacked up before it even began, but we pressed on. Armed conflict is nasty, but sometimes it is necessary. Austria is not a big target for terrorists, so going after them isn’t a big priority to you guys. President Bush stated up front that we wouldn’t stand by and do nothing as threats grew. It seemed the entire nation was in agreement with this “reach out and touch someone” policy. Now, many are pussing out because it’s not as easy as some thought it would be.
[quote]PGJ wrote:
Finally got some supporters here. About time the reenforcements arrived. These freakin’ liberal pansies have no idea. They think the American military is somehow fighting in Iraq against it’s will and we’re just a bunch of sheep blindly following orders given by uncaring leadership motivated solely by profit. “Bring those poor, miserable souls home.” Believe it or not, libs, there are a whole bunch of tough, patriotic, dedicated, intelligent young men and women VOLUNTEERING to join the military and go to Iraq or anywhere else to defend this nation. Libs just can’t grasp the concept that this is a great nation worth dieing to protect. They have a hard time understanding the military mind that puts honor, duty, service and sacrifice above everything else. I truly believe if we weren’t fighting in Iraq, we’d be fighting in Chicago, Seattle, Dallas, London, Munich, and Paris.
One of our local flamming liberal columnists wrote an article about activism and actually stated “If you love freedom, thank an activist”. That is their mindset. Freedom has always come through superior firepower. I can’t think of one single political tyrant or dictator who willingly gave up his power.
Disagree with the President all you want, but don’t accuse him of being evil and never forget that WE are the good guys. [/quote]
Maybe–just maybe–this topic goes beyond the whole “good guys” and “bad guys” thing.
Just thinking…
And…how EXACTLY was invading Iraq defending our country?
[quote]PGJ wrote:
orion wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Why is Orion, the Austrian Libertarian (whatever that is), still being judgemental about an issue of American troops in Iraq? Are you concerned about the safety of Americans or Middle Eastern terrorists. I get the idea you are not really concerned about Americans.
I think the invasion of Iraq was a good idea and was done beautifully by American and British troops.
The arguments with which that war was sold in public however, were complete BS and as far as I can see the political plans fo the post-war era consisted of “they will greet us with flowers”.
I believe that Bush and Rumsfeld are incompetent and are in way over their heads and were very succesful in creating a situation were
-the US success in Iraq is dependent on Iran not interfering too much, which is not a good thing if you want to lean on the Iranian government at the same time
I would be deeply worried if I had friends that supported me Bush and Rumsfeld style.
Plus, a middle Eastern man that fights the US is not automatically a terrorist and as long as you think that liberals try to understand opponents, to go hug a few trees together, you are missing out on the whole “get to know your enemy” routine.
I believe if the Iraqi’s saw a determined, united front in America, they would be more willing to come out cooperate. All they see are American politicians, it’s leaders, fighting over legalities and moralities, calling each other all sorts of names, and on the verge of possible pulling out leaving them there to deal with the Saudi, Syrian, Iranian, and Jordanian terrorists who want power. We’re not fighting Iraqi’s. The “fog of war” is full of errors and blunders. There is a saying in the military that a plan only lasts until first contact with the enemy. Meaning, EVERY plan gets messed up. The question is: do you tuck your tail and run away or do you stay and figure it out? If the allies quit after the Germans and Austrians killed 10,000 American, Brittish, Canadian, Australian troops on a single day on the beaches of Normandy, what would have happened? The D-Day invasion was jacked up before it even began, but we pressed on. Armed conflict is nasty, but sometimes it is necessary. Austria is not a big target for terrorists, so going after them isn’t a big priority to you guys. President Bush stated up front that we wouldn’t stand by and do nothing as threats grew. It seemed the entire nation was in agreement with this “reach out and touch someone” policy. Now, many are pussing out because it’s not as easy as some thought it would be.
[/quote]
Don’t compare WWII to Iraq.
One was a war of necessity; the other, a war of choice.
[quote]harris447 wrote:
PGJ wrote:
orion wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Why is Orion, the Austrian Libertarian (whatever that is), still being judgemental about an issue of American troops in Iraq? Are you concerned about the safety of Americans or Middle Eastern terrorists. I get the idea you are not really concerned about Americans.
I think the invasion of Iraq was a good idea and was done beautifully by American and British troops.
The arguments with which that war was sold in public however, were complete BS and as far as I can see the political plans fo the post-war era consisted of “they will greet us with flowers”.
I believe that Bush and Rumsfeld are incompetent and are in way over their heads and were very succesful in creating a situation were
-the US success in Iraq is dependent on Iran not interfering too much, which is not a good thing if you want to lean on the Iranian government at the same time
I would be deeply worried if I had friends that supported me Bush and Rumsfeld style.
Plus, a middle Eastern man that fights the US is not automatically a terrorist and as long as you think that liberals try to understand opponents, to go hug a few trees together, you are missing out on the whole “get to know your enemy” routine.
I believe if the Iraqi’s saw a determined, united front in America, they would be more willing to come out cooperate. All they see are American politicians, it’s leaders, fighting over legalities and moralities, calling each other all sorts of names, and on the verge of possible pulling out leaving them there to deal with the Saudi, Syrian, Iranian, and Jordanian terrorists who want power. We’re not fighting Iraqi’s. The “fog of war” is full of errors and blunders. There is a saying in the military that a plan only lasts until first contact with the enemy. Meaning, EVERY plan gets messed up. The question is: do you tuck your tail and run away or do you stay and figure it out? If the allies quit after the Germans and Austrians killed 10,000 American, Brittish, Canadian, Australian troops on a single day on the beaches of Normandy, what would have happened? The D-Day invasion was jacked up before it even began, but we pressed on. Armed conflict is nasty, but sometimes it is necessary. Austria is not a big target for terrorists, so going after them isn’t a big priority to you guys. President Bush stated up front that we wouldn’t stand by and do nothing as threats grew. It seemed the entire nation was in agreement with this “reach out and touch someone” policy. Now, many are pussing out because it’s not as easy as some thought it would be.
Don’t compare WWII to Iraq.
One was a war of necessity; the other, a war of choice.
[/quote]
How do you figure? Germany never attacked us? Hitler was no threat to us? Japan, on the other hand, did attack us.
[quote]harris447 wrote:
Maybe–just maybe–this topic goes beyond the whole “good guys” and “bad guys” thing.
Just thinking…
And…how EXACTLY was invading Iraq defending our country?[/quote]
You are right. Saddam was a guy who didn’t support terrorism. Just a peace-loving dictator who would never harm a fly. Just forget about the terrorist training camps inside Iraq. No biggie. No weapons were found so we were wrong. No way he could have smuggled them out of the country in the two years there were no inspectors. Syria and Jordan would never allow illegal WMD’s to be transported across their boarders. You think you know everything because you watch CNN. Why were Iraqi soldiers captured carrying gasmasks? I guess we should have just let him be and continue to disobey all UN sanctions and shoot at allied aircraft patroling the no-fly zone. Man, doing nothing while a mad-man strengthens his power is exactly how Hitler came to power. Never again.
[quote]harris447 wrote:
…
Don’t compare WWII to Iraq.
One was a war of necessity; the other, a war of choice.
[/quote]
We could have sat out WWII. All we needed to do was not help England and not deny Japan oil.
We could have chosen neutrality but we didn’t.
That is why Japan attacked and Germany declared war.
American participation in WWII was not necessary. We could have let the dictators have their way.
[quote]PGJ wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Maybe–just maybe–this topic goes beyond the whole “good guys” and “bad guys” thing.
Just thinking…
And…how EXACTLY was invading Iraq defending our country?
You are right. Saddam was a guy who didn’t support terrorism. Just a peace-loving dictator who would never harm a fly. Just forget about the terrorist training camps inside Iraq. No biggie. No weapons were found so we were wrong. No way he could have smuggled them out of the country in the two years there were no inspectors. Syria and Jordan would never allow illegal WMD’s to be transported across their boarders. You think you know everything because you watch CNN. Why were Iraqi soldiers captured carrying gasmasks? I guess we should have just let him be and continue to disobey all UN sanctions and shoot at allied aircraft patroling the no-fly zone. Man, doing nothing while a mad-man strengthens his power is exactly how Hitler came to power. Never again.
[/quote]
Wow. Every FauxNews talking point in one post.
Comparing Saddam to Hitler is like comparing Bush to Roosevelt.
(Either Roosevelt.)
Its funny how things come full circle. I can only repeat what I have already said. IN EVERY CONFLICT THE LIBERALS SIDE WITH THE ENEMY. Point blank.
There was no choice. Tell me something Harris, if you are so smart.
Say a madman, were to bury all his WMD’s in the sand under his country. How would people thousands of miles away ever find them?
Supporting the troops is not saying come home. The only way the troops will come home is when their job is done. You want them home, help them finish their job. This job is to clear the insurgents and terrorists. Soon as its done, they will come home.
What will you bloody liberals bitch about when they come home? Ever think of that? You should be screaming stay so you have something to bitch about. That is the liberal way. Complain but do not act. Pretty soon you guys will be like the french military. Their battle plan is capitulate and cooperate.
[quote]TrainerinDC wrote:
Its funny how things come full circle. I can only repeat what I have already said. IN EVERY CONFLICT THE LIBERALS SIDE WITH THE ENEMY. Point blank.
There was no choice. Tell me something Harris, if you are so smart.
Say a madman, were to bury all his WMD’s in the sand under his country. How would people thousands of miles away ever find them?
Supporting the troops is not saying come home. The only way the troops will come home is when their job is done. You want them home, help them finish their job. This job is to clear the insurgents and terrorists. Soon as its done, they will come home.
What will you bloody liberals bitch about when they come home? Ever think of that? You should be screaming stay so you have something to bitch about. That is the liberal way. Complain but do not act. Pretty soon you guys will be like the french military. Their battle plan is capitulate and cooperate. [/quote]
I like your style!
[quote]orion wrote:
You vomit if something is too complex for you?
Or is it the arrogant laugh of the adolescent know-it-all that still sees everything in black and white…
Don?t worry, sooner or later the hormones kick in and the world punishes you as long and as hard as it takes to make you a more mature, if not better, person.
[/quote]
You are 100% correct. I am about to vomit. Your ignorance to the realities of this life is making me sick to my stomach. The only one as risk of punishment here is you. Without the might of America keeping the world at bay Europe would become a parking lot. Tell me one country in Europe that could possibly defeat Russia? China? India? They are all very power hungry. China could take a shot at the world today, Europe would fall almost instantly. What about North Korea? They could defeat the majority of Europe. We are eliminating threats to your security and your way of life and defending your right to disagree with us here. The men you are calling immature, and that need to be better people, don’t. They already are mature, and are good people. Arrogance? I feel no arrogance from HH, or PGJ, but I definitely feel it from you. Perhaps you should look within, before speaking.
[quote]TrainerinDC wrote:
orion wrote:
You vomit if something is too complex for you?
Or is it the arrogant laugh of the adolescent know-it-all that still sees everything in black and white…
Don?t worry, sooner or later the hormones kick in and the world punishes you as long and as hard as it takes to make you a more mature, if not better, person.
You are 100% correct. I am about to vomit. Your ignorance to the realities of this life is making me sick to my stomach. The only one as risk of punishment here is you. Without the might of America keeping the world at bay Europe would become a parking lot. Tell me one country in Europe that could possibly defeat Russia? China? India? They are all very power hungry. China could take a shot at the world today, Europe would fall almost instantly. What about North Korea? They could defeat the majority of Europe. We are eliminating threats to your security and your way of life and defending your right to disagree with us here. The men you are calling immature, and that need to be better people, don’t. They already are mature, and are good people. Arrogance? I feel no arrogance from HH, or PGJ, but I definitely feel it from you. Perhaps you should look within, before speaking.
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2 European countries that could wipe large parts of the US from the map if they wanted to, France and the UK.
They could do the same to every country you mentioned.
The worst that could happen is that we build a united European army, which is a matter of around a decade if we really have to.
But don?t worry, we will have our clash with Islam soon enough, I worry a lot less about China or India.