[quote]Renton wrote:
ahzaz wrote:
shizen wrote:
BigMike wrote:
i hit puberty when i was 12 had a mustash and everything…
studies shown people who hit puberty early don’t grow as much so your probably like 5’6.
SHIT…
I started puberty at 7-8 >_>
shave daily at 14…
Yeah your ass.[/quote]
You’re underestimating the hormones we take in from milk and other american agricultural goodies :).
all joking aside. This is becoming the norm.
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You’re underestimating the hormones we take in from milk and other american agricultural goodies :).
all joking aside. This is becoming the norm.[/quote]
My original post was gonna be something along the lines of ‘when the fuck did everyone here hit puberty?’ Honestly, not producting testosterone at 14? Has anyone here been around middle school children? If they can’t make gains in the gym, hormones are not the problem!
[quote]shizen wrote:
BigMike wrote:
i hit puberty when i was 12 had a mustash and everything…
studies shown people who hit puberty early don’t grow as much so your probably like 5’6. [/quote]
hahaha im 5’8
It’s funny that the only point you see to lifting is getting big and strong. Personally, I like the feeling of accomplishment I get from lifting. If I get big and strong it’s a nice bonus.
I train OL with a guy who is 75. I’m not sure how much test a person at this age produces, but I don’t see him getting bigger than he is now. But he loves it anyways.
If a kid wants to train, hell yes, encourage him/her to get off the couch. There’s way too many fat kids out there doing nothing. If anything, the act of moving heavy stuff around is going to be beneficial for health anyways, regardless of whether one develops big muscles.
you think its funny i lift weights to get bigger? are you fucking retarded?
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
you think its funny i lift weights to get bigger? are you fucking retarded? [/quote]
I said I think it’s funny that’s thats the only reason you lift.
Personally I get a lot more from it, but being retarded and all, it must just be me.
[quote]dianab wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
you think its funny i lift weights to get bigger? are you fucking retarded?
I said I think it’s funny that’s thats the only reason you lift.
Personally I get a lot more from it, but being retarded and all, it must just be me.[/quote]
I get a lot from it BECAUSE I gain size and strength. If I was gaining nothing I would be wasting my time.
[quote]dianab wrote:
Personally, I like the feeling of accomplishment I get from lifting. If I get big and strong it’s a nice bonus.
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??? That’s like saying you like the feeling of accomplishment from playing the stock market, but if you make money it’s a nice bonus.
Isn’t that the accomplishment?
The point that I think dianab is trying to make is that for some people, there is more to lifting weights than just getting big and strong. Sure that is the main goal, but finally mastering something like the snatch or still lifting weight while most of your peers are shuffling around with walkers has to feel pretty damn good too.
I know this is a bodybuilding website (I hear it all the fucking time) But not everyone judges their progress with a tape measure and calipers.
But maybe I’m retarded too.
And as for the kids…they may or may not make good gains now, but getting them in the gym means one less kid sitting on the couch playing video games, and the effort they do put in now could really pay off in the long run.
youre not retarded, youre just a girl.
i dont see how a kid could like lifting weights in the first place. i dont know what you guys do in the gym, but its pretty painful and exhausting for me. i only do hard lifts because i know they work (for building size), not because its fun. send a little kid to play sports or something. but get the fuck outta the gym before your ADD ass breaks something.
then again, one less kid on the couch playing video games is good…i hate going on Halo and hearing some fuckin 10 year old say the word “dick” and “fag” 100 times because they think theyre a badass cause they watch HBO when no one’s looking.
[quote]medevac wrote:
dianab wrote:
Personally, I like the feeling of accomplishment I get from lifting. If I get big and strong it’s a nice bonus.
??? That’s like saying you like the feeling of accomplishment from playing the stock market, but if you make money it’s a nice bonus.
Isn’t that the accomplishment?[/quote]
I guess everyones different. I’m really much more concerned with technique than being big and strong, but I’m not a body builder.
All I’m saying is that there is more to exercise in general than just the end results. Your metaphor is nice but it’s not really the same thing, for me at least.
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
The point that I think dianab is trying to make is that for some people, there is more to lifting weights than just getting big and strong. Sure that is the main goal, but finally mastering something like the snatch or still lifting weight while most of your peers are shuffling around with walkers has to feel pretty damn good too.
I know this is a bodybuilding website (I hear it all the fucking time) But not everyone judges their progress with a tape measure and calipers.
But maybe I’m retarded too.[/quote]
If I was making no progress, I would not delude myself into believing that I was reaping such a huge benefit from it. Bodybuilding is an activity that requires a great deal of time, money and focus. If I was like some of the guys making ZERO progress over 5 years, I would find a new hobby. There are many activities to be involved in for “general fitness” that require less substantial attention.
“Failure” isn’t just some imaginary word.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i dont see the point in someone lifting whos so young they cant produce testosterone. you could say itd be good to learn the right form etc early on because its easier…but if that were the case someone would be there with them to teach them. so nah, unless youve hit puberty dont even go to the gym.[/quote]
Before I say this is retarded, are you saying kids shouldn’t do anything to get stronger until after puberty starts?
And what would you suggest a kid do before puberty.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i dont see the point in someone lifting whos so young they cant produce testosterone. you could say itd be good to learn the right form etc early on because its easier…but if that were the case someone would be there with them to teach them. so nah, unless youve hit puberty dont even go to the gym.
Before I say this is retarded, are you saying kids shouldn’t do anything to get stronger until after puberty starts?
And what would you suggest a kid do before puberty.
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Why are you asking him to type more?
I plan on starting any kids I do have in some form of martial arts as soon as they can walk. If they are interested, by the time they hit high school, they will know the inside of a gym better than Frank Zane.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i dont see the point in someone lifting whos so young they cant produce testosterone. you could say itd be good to learn the right form etc early on because its easier…but if that were the case someone would be there with them to teach them. so nah, unless youve hit puberty dont even go to the gym.[/quote]
Before I say this is retarded, are you saying kids shouldn’t do anything to get stronger until after puberty starts?
And what would you suggest a kid do before puberty.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Airtruth wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
i dont see the point in someone lifting whos so young they cant produce testosterone. you could say itd be good to learn the right form etc early on because its easier…but if that were the case someone would be there with them to teach them. so nah, unless youve hit puberty dont even go to the gym.
Before I say this is retarded, are you saying kids shouldn’t do anything to get stronger until after puberty starts?
And what would you suggest a kid do before puberty.
Why are you asking him to type more?
I plan on starting any kids I do have in some form of martial arts as soon as they can walk. If they are interested, by the time they hit high school, they will know the inside of a gym better than Frank Zane.[/quote]
Just hoping he left some bright idea out.
[quote]dianab wrote:
I guess everyones different. I’m really much more concerned with technique than being big and strong, but I’m not a body builder.
All I’m saying is that there is more to exercise in general than just the end results. Your metaphor is nice but it’s not really the same thing, for me at least.[/quote]
I understand that you’re concerned with technique, but in that case, couldn’t you use a broomstick for all your exercises? If you’re into Olympic lifts, that is an event judged solely by 1. legal technique and 2. AMOUNT OF WEIGHT LIFTED. That’s what brings home the gold.
If you get a feeling of accomplishment, then where is the challenge? I guess it can come from being able to “complete” a complex lift that you were unable to do before, as in a neural learning curve, but to mean something wouldn’t it have to be under some stressful load? Otherwise any couch potato could lift the remote above their head and call themselves master of the clean and press. The fact that you have to have strength as well as technique is what makes it special, and therefore worthy of accomplishment (as far as physical accomplishments go).
I agree that there are a lot of corollaries to just strength, etc like feelings of control, self determinism, etc.
Oh, and on the kids thing, the main problem I have with it is not the endocrine side of things, but the maturity. You may have a kid that can physically gain muscle but what is the idiot doing when you’re not looking? Half time they will be wasting their time and yours when you try to train them…and for kids, that’s completely fine because they are KIDS and that’s pretty much what they do.
As far as getting them active, letting them into to the gym and trying stuff out I’m all for it. But children routinely stick with exercise and programs if you can make it more like play or structured like football, martial arts, etc. than sets and reps and pyramids. They just lack the requisite conceptual ability to rationalize exercise in that way until they get into their teens.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:
The point that I think dianab is trying to make is that for some people, there is more to lifting weights than just getting big and strong. Sure that is the main goal, but finally mastering something like the snatch or still lifting weight while most of your peers are shuffling around with walkers has to feel pretty damn good too.
I know this is a bodybuilding website (I hear it all the fucking time) But not everyone judges their progress with a tape measure and calipers.
But maybe I’m retarded too.
If I was making no progress, I would not delude myself into believing that I was reaping such a huge benefit from it. Bodybuilding is an activity that requires a great deal of time, money and focus. If I was like some of the guys making ZERO progress over 5 years, I would find a new hobby. There are many activities to be involved in for “general fitness” that require less substantial attention.
“Failure” isn’t just some imaginary word.[/quote]
Agreed. If you’ve been in the gym for 5 years and you’re curling the 15lb DBs you started with and have seen no change in body composition you are a failure, and perhaps you should contemplate suicide.
But I’m not exactly talking about failure, rather differences in goals and how progress is measured. For me, at the moment, I would probably be happier to master my bench shirt than to get a new PR. I see that as progress, even if it isn’t directly related to strength.
Like I said before, I know this is supposed to be a bodybuilding site, but we are not all bodybuilders on here, so I think our perceptions of what progress is or is not vary a bit. I’m not saying anyone is right or wrong. Just that I see things a bit differently.
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
Professor X wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:
The point that I think dianab is trying to make is that for some people, there is more to lifting weights than just getting big and strong. Sure that is the main goal, but finally mastering something like the snatch or still lifting weight while most of your peers are shuffling around with walkers has to feel pretty damn good too.
I know this is a bodybuilding website (I hear it all the fucking time) But not everyone judges their progress with a tape measure and calipers.
But maybe I’m retarded too.
If I was making no progress, I would not delude myself into believing that I was reaping such a huge benefit from it. Bodybuilding is an activity that requires a great deal of time, money and focus. If I was like some of the guys making ZERO progress over 5 years, I would find a new hobby. There are many activities to be involved in for “general fitness” that require less substantial attention.
“Failure” isn’t just some imaginary word.
Agreed. If you’ve been in the gym for 5 years and you’re curling the 15lb DBs you started with and have seen no change in body composition you are a failure, and perhaps you should contemplate suicide.
But I’m not exactly talking about failure, rather differences in goals and how progress is measured. For me, at the moment, I would probably be happier to master my bench shirt than to get a new PR. I see that as progress, even if it isn’t directly related to strength.
Like I said before, I know this is supposed to be a bodybuilding site, but we are not all bodybuilders on here, so I think our perceptions of what progress is or is not vary a bit.
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But you are still progressing and to my knowledge, powerlifting is respected here by some even more than bodybuilding. Your goal is to get stronger or learn technique. My goal is also to get stronger and make noticeable physical progress from one year to the next. Without PROGRESSION and actually standing out from a crowd, there should be no satisfaction.
Neither bodybuilding nor powerlifting are for those who favor stagnation or complacency.
My main problem is there seem to be many people just like that on this board lately and they are who that post was directed towards…those who use immeasurable “goals” like “functionality” to explain why they look exactly the same half a decade later. It is nothing but a cop out, a lame excuse.
A “measuring stick” should be used in some way to determine progress, whether it be the size of your biceps or the weight lifted in competition. If no measuring stick can be used because the goal was some arbitrary concept, they are wasting their time.