[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
This recent thread kinda goes over this. I made a few posts regarding why I personally dont like stims for workouts, but I got one guy bent out of shape over it! lol![/quote]
Your premise is based on the ASSUMPTION that it is possible, or always possible, to train to max recovery capability sans the use of supplementation.
I dont think that’s the case for most, let alone some, people.
Stimulants are a very valuable tool in an athletes arsenal. Obviously not necessary 100% of the time to make gains.
The counter productivity argument you make is overblown. IMO. [/quote]
Well the poster I was arguing my theory with made it hard to find a middle ground. I still believe in what I wrote as it applies to myself and like minded personalities, which is all I was really debating. Everyone is different, and I wouldnt rule out stims usefulness for something like competition or a planned max-effort day here and there. But generally I follow what the bodies telling me. If I dont have the omph on a particular day there would be a reason Id rather not “cover up” with a stim. Im pretty confident that I could push myself well beyond my recovery abilities every time I train if I felt like it.
For a training newbie that still hasnt learned what true intensity is, a stim (or at least its placebo effect) might be all it takes to get them to finally do some hard work. Going into the gym expecting to smash the weights and having taken something designed to help you do so would definately change your frame of mind enough to accomplish something.
As stated in previous thread this stuff is all just my own opinion, I dont claim any scientific backing. Just using it as a tool to spark conversation.
Out of curiosity how do you use stims BONEZ? I imagine at your level you know what works for you and how they fit in.