Do The People You Train With Know?

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[quote]WyldFlower wrote:
Yeah, this is something that i’m learning too. And it is EXACTLY like, as you say, the way we shouldn’t share our goals with other people either. Cos they wont understand.

E.G. - Since i got hardcore into training - the number of people/friends who’ve said: “Why? Why are you doing this? Why can’t you be happy with the way you are? Don’t you like yourself?” LOL. That pisses me off. I guess AAS use is part of the same thing - why justify yourself to people who would NEVER understand.

Glad we reached equanimity :slight_smile:

Peace

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Tell them " i like who i am…its just that i like who i CAN BE even better" … that holds true for any goal, physique, education, career etc.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
bennidiesel wrote:
I dont think anybody that has not done a serious cycle or 2 in their life should have much comment. I was always an anti-juice person, until a freid turned me on. What i thought i knew was bullshit, what i know now is more realistic.

Somebody should rub Shadowzz4’s nose in your post.

Well said. [/quote]

This doesn’t really make much sense. Its really a catch 22. So you were always an anti-juice person until a friend turned you on to it, and now you really understand it all.

Doesn’t it sound even a little bit fishy that you were against something until you began benefiting from and taking part in what you were initially against? Can someone say bias?

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Shadowz what exactly are you trying to prove? I don’t get it.

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Yea it is kinda ridiculous I guess. I’m in the steroid forum trying to convince a bunch of juicers that AAS has more to do with their physique than they do. Kind of a lost cause if there ever was one.

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[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
Yea it is kinda ridiculous I guess. I’m in the steroid forum trying to convince a bunch of juicers that AAS has more to do with their physique than they do. Kind of a lost cause if there ever was one. [/quote]

Yup.

I have provided you with a link so that you may exit:

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[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
Doesn’t it sound even a little bit fishy that you were against something until you began benefiting from and taking part in what you were initially against? Can someone say bias?
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I don’t want to speak for Cortes, but I think he meant before his friend turned him onto steroids, he might have believed the bullshit that’s spewed out by the media THEN realized that it is bullshit.

Like I said, I don’t want to speak for Cortes, but this is my thinking. I was never anti-juice, but I was against smoking marijuana all throughout high school because somehow I believed the crap about it, then realized it’s not what all the propaganda says it is.

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I don’t know why all you guys are picking on Shadowzz. He was only elucidating his own feelings regarding the thing. He’s entitled to his opinion.

Gosh! You lot can be so cliquey sometimes. Gosh!

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
Unless you know for a fact that they do, too, or they are about to and are looking for your advice, I would keep my mouth shut as to my “supplement” regime.
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That’s funny. It’s just like any illegal hard drug- people don’t say shit unless they know you’re in the same boat with them

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My training partner knows, he is on too.

Sometimes guys told me hey you have great results and I reply “thanks, you know when you train 6 days/week, eat clean and sleep, you got great results too !”

Once, someone told me while I was squatting 405lbs “you should’nt be cleaned too lift that ?” I replied, “well I know I need a shower”

At the end, I think that this is not their business, but on the other end, I don’t mind, since this is my own business and anyway, it is not because you take AAS that your muscle appear like magic ! You danm need too work hard and maybe even harder !!!

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[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
Yea it is kinda ridiculous I guess. I’m in the steroid forum trying to convince a bunch of juicers that AAS has more to do with their physique than they do. Kind of a lost cause if there ever was one. [/quote]

Uh I was 258 at 6’2 before I used, I think I knew what I was doing.

Just because you have shitty genetics and work ethic that only got you to 213 lbs at 6’4 before you decided to use, doesn’t mean that applies to us.

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For me personally when I was juicing I didn’t want to get in trouble with the law or recieve ignorant people’s backlash about the dangers, evils, and even more evils because it’s illegal, of steroid use. So only my close friends and family knew. If it was legal, I wouldn’t hide it. It’s just part of bodybuilding.

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[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
Cortes wrote:
bennidiesel wrote:
I dont think anybody that has not done a serious cycle or 2 in their life should have much comment. I was always an anti-juice person, until a freid turned me on. What i thought i knew was bullshit, what i know now is more realistic.

Somebody should rub Shadowzz4’s nose in your post.

Well said.

This doesn’t really make much sense. Its really a catch 22. So you were always an anti-juice person until a friend turned you on to it, and now you really understand it all.

Doesn’t it sound even a little bit fishy that you were against something until you began benefiting from and taking part in what you were initially against? Can someone say bias?

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There’s no catch 22. Do you even understand the meaning of that word?

Would you listen to advice about weight training from someone who doesn’t work out?

Would you take gun-safety advice from someone who has never handled one?

Would you take parenting advice from someone who has never had a child?

Why on earth would you feel this subject is any different?

Believe me, it is not, and until you have actually used AAS you really do NOT know what you are talking about, and you should keep you mouth shut and your eyes open, and read and learn. Or go play somewhere with kids you can relate to.

The only thing “fishy” is your hanging around trying to act superior toward a group of people you disdain in a forum that has nothing to do with you. What does that say about your self-esteem?

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I dont disdain the whole lot of you, its obvious some, like BBB, have their heads screwed on right. I’m not saying I’m superior, its that you think your superior because you use, that much is blatantly obvious.

I ask you this? How does my experience using a weaker version of what you guys are taking not matter at all? Am I wrong in thinking that it produces similar results, but AAS is more potent?

Explain to me if you would, how AAS is so different aside from being more powerful? And its not really about my self esteem, because I know you have a huge advantage with AAS, Im not upset about that. If you would at least admit the benefit it gives you it would be different.

Instead of “dude you dont know what your talking about, you have to learn man just sit there and read more you dont get it” Uh dont get what, why dont you tell me, “oh it doesnt really help that much its just a slight advantage thats all I still do the work”, um creatine is a slight advantage, why dont you explain this to me, how it doesnt help you with your drive to get to the gym, your drive to eat, maintain your intensity and energy. All the stuff that AAS supposedly doesnt help with, that you are providing on your own.

Am I wrong does AAS not do these things? Lets hear it, if you have a legit argument.

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[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
I dont disdain the whole lot of you, its obvious some, like BBB, have their heads screwed on right. I’m not saying I’m superior, its that you think your superior because you use, that much is blatantly obvious.

I ask you this? How does my experience using a weaker version of what you guys are taking not matter at all? Am I wrong in thinking that it produces similar results, but AAS is more potent?

Explain to me if you would, how AAS is so different aside from being more powerful? And its not really about my self esteem, because I know you have a huge advantage with AAS, Im not upset about that. If you would at least admit the benefit it gives you it would be different.
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Uhh, it allows the user to take his body beyond the level he would be able to naturally. AAS is not “more potent.” It is actual manipulation of the body’s hormones. There’s a pretty frickin big difference between that and your NO-Xplode or whatever it was. If you made gains with that, that’s nice for you, but you just sound silly coming on here and trying to convince us that what happened to you was the equivalent of doing a good cycle of steroids.

Anyway, I’m curious. Can you continue to gain off this supplement? Can you do another “cycle” of it and experience similar results compounded. Does everyone else who takes this supplement also experience phenomenal gains? Do you have before/after pics?

I’m not clear what you are talking about with admitting the benefit the AAS gives me. Who was ever arguing that there was no benefit to be had? It certainly wasn’t me. You sure as hell won’t see me buying the argument you appear to be hinting at that AAS is the cause of ALL of our gains, either. There’s probably as many guys who use that look like they’ve never seen the inside of a gym as there are with halfway decent physiques. I’m not even sure what your argument is anymore. Do you even know?

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Instead of “dude you dont know what your talking about, you have to learn man just sit there and read more you dont get it” Uh dont get what, why dont you tell me, “oh it doesnt really help that much its just a slight advantage thats all I still do the work”[/quote]<—Again, please show me who in the hell is saying this. [quote], um creatine is a slight advantage, why dont you explain this to me, how it doesnt help you with your drive to get to the gym, your drive to eat, maintain your intensity and energy. All the stuff that AAS supposedly doesnt help with, that you are providing on your own.

Am I wrong does AAS not do these things? Lets hear it, if you have a legit argument.[/quote]

Yes. You are wrong.

Statements like this are exactly why it is blindingly clear that you really do not understand dedicated AAS users. Somebody who hasn’t made a lifestyle of this game before using is not going to last. Drive, motivation, dedication and will power are, unfortunately, not listed among the benefits of steroids in any of the online profiles I have read.

My results speak for themselves. You can see them in my profile pictures. If you believe this is all due to the AAS, then you had better explain all of those other AAS users on this site who don’t who look like me.

Where are your pics, anyway?

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It wasnt NO explode, it was an androstenediol supplement. Supplementation with androstenediol results in increased levels of testosterone. I understand the difference that you are basically taking synthetic testosterone, thus basically messing with the levels of the actual hormones themselves.

What I am saying is that with the supplement I took, I saw huge gains in size very quickly. Also during these periods I had many other issues as far as lack of flexibility, so my compound lower body lifts weren’t near as effective as they would have been otherwise. I stopped taking the supplement because I didn’t like how easy it was making everything. I was a Ex Phys major at the time and I couldnt tell if what I was doing was working because it was proper programming etc… or if was due to the supplement. I will message you when I put up pictures.

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I am still waiting for brook to retort after the “sand in the vagina”-remark!

The steroid forum isn’t the same after rainjack left! Everyone’s too nice!

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Bali, I try not to waste too much time on wankers who have nothing of any relevance to offer (nor a new or different opinion than the majority of everyone else), besides which - i really do try to not rise to such childish attempts for an ‘e-fight’.

Cortes - one of the (frustratingly) hardest things a steroid user* can do is convince a non-steroid user that everything they gain isn’t simply due to drugs.

The quote above is one of the best attempts at doing so.

Most people are not able to empathise without relevant/similar personal experiences, so when some skinny-fat, average estrogenic ‘guy’ sees a large, muscular and lean guy - they cannot even begin to understand what goes into building a physique like that, drugs aside.
They find it much more self affirming to believe they, or anyone can look like that if they just did ‘loads of drugs’ too.

I myself have the utmost admiration and respect for anyone who can bring a decent package to the stage, likely because i truly ‘get’ what it means to do so (as i am in the process myself), the discipline, dedication, effort, skill, sweat and sacrifice is second to none.

*‘Steroid user’ being a serious and dedicated trainee or athlete - not just a weekend warrior who takes steroids to get more for less.

Anyway - don’t waste your breath mate, they are just trolls who take glee in winding people up. What kind of loser comes to a specialist forum and slates the discipline in question? A lonely motherfucker, that what.

:wink:

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haha, does anyone notice that shadowz is not even making a point or arguing anything? He is just talking noise, about “how easy” it was for him to get big.

I’d love to see a Picture of this HUGE and RIPPED 213 lb guy at 6’4

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
haha, does anyone notice that shadowz is not even making a point or arguing anything? He is just talking noise, about “how easy” it was for him to get big.

I’d love to see a Picture of this HUGE and RIPPED 213 lb guy at 6’4[/quote]

LOL, skeletor

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[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
I stopped taking the supplement because I didn’t like how easy it was making everything. [/quote]

Last thing I’m going to say here: It is exactly statements like the above the have many of us here snorting and shaking our heads at the things you post.