Either “The first half century in the iron game” (1983) or “The Future of exercise: 1997 and beyond”. Both are available at arthurjonesexercise. If you want me to provide an exact reference / quote, it will take me a couple of days as I haven’t read either of them for a while.
Ah, to be so lucky as to not need luck. How fortunate!
Meriam-Webster Dictionary: luck
lucked; lucking; lucks
Definition of luck (Entry 2 of 2)
- to prosper or succeed especially through chance or good fortune —usually used with out (example, the hero lucks out and is able to escape).
While you have it open, look up irony ![]()
Yes. Including the stretches, my longest workout so far would be ~32-33 min. Maybe when I’m doing 3 drops per exercise on Load days and add a couple more exercises on Muscle day, I’ll be around 40-45 minutes but that’s it. JFYI, I am NOT resting between muscle groups as much as he prescribes.
On my first pass through the article, I just skimmed the workout descriptions, trying to get an overall sense of what was involved. Then I noted the statements that it was 4 times a week for 90 minute sessions. Between that, and the overall complexity, I lost interest.
Going back and looking at the session examples, it isn’t obvious why those workouts would take all that long, given the sets and reps that are involved. The first thought which came to mind was rest times between exercises. Couple that with his advice to make sure that you really push yourself hard on the heavy loading and muscle round sets, I am left wondering if it is just a matter of weight selection?
By analogy, there is a big difference in terms of stress between doing a Texas method 5x5, where you grind heavy weights with long rests between sets, and a 5x5 pump set, where you use a light weight and rest 30 seconds or so. The first will destroy anyone over the age of 30, whereas the latter is much more doable. Yet both are just 5x5. But the results would be considerably different.
Obviously, there is a big difference in time commitment between working out 4 times a week for 90 minutes, and working out 3 times a week for 30 minutes. I’d be curious just exactly why the wide range. But not curious enough to buy the ebook… ![]()
Like anyone else’s writings, I take what I will and apply it to my desires, abilities, and recovery if it interests me. I also compare how similar methods have worked for me in the past. Three days a week is about the limit for me with any productive routine. I’m 49-years-old. But this has been the case forever for me. I started training when I was 18 and have been pretty consistent ever since. I’ve had a handful of 6-8 week layoffs for one reason or another over the last 31 years.
I no longer train in a strict HIT/Heavy Duty manner, but if I did, twice a week would be the absolute max. I’m talking about taking every set to failure, but again, I don’t train this way.
Using sub failure training with a few sets per muscle, training three days a week is generally the sweet spot as far as recovery and enjoyment of training. I like to stay fairly active with cardio (about 25 min) on “off” days.
To each their own.
For the last few months, I was using more of a straight set, pyramid routine (8-20 reps), but will be embarking on a Gironda-like routine for a while. I’m also aiming to lose about 5-6 pounds of bodyfat this cycle. I need to reduce my calories a bit.
Fortitude Training is definitely suitable for personal adjustments, customization, like me who choose to stick with 2 workouts a week, instead of the recommended four.
What I really like is the HIT analogy with full body workouts, as well as your own preference in excercise selection. And I alike @simon_hecubus also keep the tempo higher, with shorter rest periods.
The diversity in muscle rounds (cluster sets), loading sets, pump sets and loaded stretches make sure you resist adaptation, and makes every workout interesting (fun). I have always liked cluster sets for some reason. The loaded stretches is an excercise in itself, and I really feel a positive effect/fullness from it, the day after. Something new!
It is a well written e-book that makes a good read to anyone interested. I suspect @average_al would like it, based on your previous posts.
Same here but some good ideas that one can use in their own way and I may try something with it during the winter. But one thing I won’t do is a 90 minute routine. Though years ago I got away from the typical HIT workout of full body / SSTF and went to a three way split using multiple sets , my workouts are 16-18 sets and last 25-30 minutes , three days a week. Fortitude Training suggests four 90 minute sessions a week … that’s not for me !
This is, quite possibly, the best statement I have ever read on these forums, ever.
I am in stitches.
So Boris, you say you visited and used to comment on the old forum. There’s something very familiar about your style ? I was there for many years and I’ve seen members suddenly show up on some issue like you just did , start off with some decent discussion and points and then get into a barrage of heated arguments and then disappear again? Did you go under the name of Boris on the old forum?
Scott
Same.
Bingo, Scott! I knew it will be you. Of course, it’s me because as you see I don’t hide under fancy names. Yes, I have visited the old site for more than 10 years, posted questions, provided comments, even posted my own results of High Density Training under tutelage of Brian Johnston (it was in 2019, I think) and my nutritional aspects. I do have strong opinions on many things from Anabolic steroids to Zone training (not forgetting HIT, Mohamed Makkawy and SuperSlow in between) or from Astrophysics to Zombies (including natural Healing, Money and Soviet Union in between). I haven’t disappeared, I simply didn’t want to post anything. Not many topics of particular interest, although I appreciated Dr. Darden’s Extreme HIT / 30-10-30 approach and incorporated it into my annual cycle. As usual, I look forward to his new book. Anyway, since most all of the forum members want me to shut up (and we live in a democratic society where majority rules, right?), I will do so and will not comment at all for next 10 years or so. After all, all who wants to ask me anything can pm anytime.
It usually worked out 60 minutes tops for me, often quicker. I wasn’t sure where Scott got 90 minutes from, even with longer rest intervals.
Any thoughts on Astro Zombies?
Ah but this new form has done away with PMs. There’s no person to person chats anymore.
Scott
Genuine question: what are your strong opinions on zombies?
Pm him ffs or wait 10 years if your not in a rush.
Go easy on @borisv. As far as I am concerned he has only said one thing that is unacceptable - and don’t we all sometimes? Coming from a Brian Johnston background I can understand his straightforwardness, and I believe he may also have some good experiences to share.
Adding: The more trainees we may attract on this forum, the better it will be in terms of information. Seriously, are we 100 active posters now?
== Scott ==
I don’t recall anyone wanting him to shut up, he manufactured that. Sometimes the crazy stuff is some of the best and most entertaining stuff to read on here! Of course if you say something outlandish be prepared to explain it.