Swimming and soccer, I played it from 6-16 ish, so I was quite active. If I should guess, I would reckon that my body is just bad genetics, my sister have almost the same chubby belly, but it looks better on her though.
When it comes to low T am unsure. Doesnt almost all of the people there have very low sexdrive? Like, they dont masturbate at all, even if they want too.
This is my body when I lost some weigh, to much would someone say. As you can see, the chest is quite smaller too.
I agree with you, however there is a correlation where if someone looks a certain way there is a higher chance of hypogonadism being presentā¦ although it is in no way a sole determinant
Are we not allowed to state our opinion? It doesnāt really matter because he still needs to confirm low T through lab testing and if his levels are normal for a guy his age Iāll gladly eat crow and no harm done.
We know the normal ranges for testosterone are bias and age is often ignored even though it printed on lab results, the doctor sees a 301 and classifies a young 21 year old man normal when he is lower than almost everyone in his age group.
Yes there is a correlation between T and sperm count. Itās not perfect, but there is.
Just get labs done then you know, the rest is speculation.
The least you want to get tested is total T, SHBG, LH, prolactin and E2.
If it comes back ok then no harm has been done, if it comes back low than you need to dig deeper.
Nobody can judge your T numbers from a picture, but there is enough clinical suspicion that warrants testing.
Treatment is then a whole other discussion.
Look at the second picture I posted. Visibly less bodyfat and gyno, because I went down in weight. So it can, for all I know, only be due to shitty food and lack of working out.
My sexdrive is good, same with energy, and my bodyhair and I am 21, so I dont see why i should have low T either.
I agree with you, but I have read some articles about low T now. The MAIN symptoms is low sexdrive etc etc, low energy aswell, I dont have either of them.
So based of the bodypicture, you would have tested the testosterone levels?
Why do you keep avoiding very direct questions about your before/after stats (strength and bodyweight) from the short time you spent training?
If you lost weight during Starting Strength and ended up where you are now, you were absolutely not āeating rightā or training right. So thatās where you need to focus, not TRT. Bottomline.
Thereās a much more accurate correlation to looking at someone and saying āYou havenāt been eating right or training properly.ā Thatās where the fundamental focus should be.
Of course you can share your opinion. But itās best not to wear blinders and zone in one one potential underlying cause to his issue while neglecting the most basic steps he could take.
Thatās a huge problem I see throughout this TRT forum and something Iām working to address. Even if the guy has had low T for the last 8 months, addressing his poor nutrition and poorly implemented exercise habits should be Step Number One to fixing the problem.
If this exact thread was posted in Beginners instead of T Replacement, Iām 100% certain that wouldāve been the way the discussion and advice unfolded, and the guy wouldnāt have spent the last 48 hours asking if heās pulling his pud an appropriate number of times per week.
No, the harm done is that this dude, whoās clearly overfocused on his Test levels, finds further encouragement to seek a solution to his problem in any place other than the gym and the kitchen.
Dude, yes. Donāt overcomplicate this. Get labs done and then assess.
From a man who was also wondering what to do and spent a lot of time like you: you need to go by symptoms, labs and to consult a proficient doctor who really knows this stuff.
This in itself can induce hypogonadism (bad diet, lifestyle etc) thus itās a catch 22ā¦ In which case the primary instigator needs to be eliminated in order to re-attain homeostasis
say shitty diet/lifestyle ā Low T and shitty body composition, both of which will aggravate one another. Get the diet/lifestyle in check and the other two factors will improve, however thereās still a correlation between the two (and test/androgens in general inhibit the build-up of fat mass, there is certainly a correlation between low T and obesity/excess visceral fat mass, I can link data to prove this) but yes youāre right, thereās a correlation between looking at an unhealthy person and thinking their lifestyle is shit, just as the low T correlation is there as the two go hand in hand.
Iām not one of those people who comment on these threads saying āwell he has a low reading, he CLEARLY needs TRTā, Iām just stating that there is a correlation. OP may have low T, he may not. He doesnāt display any symptoms (traditional) hypogonadism entrails, thus unless we have any legitimate reason for concern, diet and lifestyle should be the primary focus here. many can make sub-par or even NO gains with a shitty program, thereās a wide variety of responses once can garner (genetically) from resistance training, and a program that causes one to BLOW up dramatically may induce a catabolic state for another (both same diet/routine), itās fascinating how different the genetic response for one can be. For instance (this refers to me pre and post anabolics btw), the ONLY thing that has EVER been able to trigger arm growth for me is INCREDIBLY high volume, say working arms with supersets, drop sets, forced reps etc 3 or even FOURx/wk! Otherwise I simply canāt get them to grow and all my other body parts progress while my arm mass simply stagnates. For most, such frequency would induce over-training and/or be less effective comparative to 1-2x/wk direct arm work, and some donāt even require any direct arm work at all (heavy compound lifts providing enough stimulus for significant growth).
Interestingly, I recall you saying you have low T. An interesting theory amongst (natural) powerlifters who put in many, many hours per day (aside from chronically elevated cortisol) is that the maintenance of muscle mass and whatnot despite absurdly low T levels is due to androgen receptor up-regulation, thus less TT/FT is required in order to maintain masculine characteristics. Its a pretty interesting concept, I donāt fully buy into itā¦ but itās interesting nonetheless. I guess it depends if one is symptomatic, thatās the biggest factorā¦ However even if one isnāt symptomatic, it could potentially be due to having low T for a very long time, decades perhaps and thus the individual wouldnāt be able too differentiate between normality and hypogonadism (in which case T replacement would be beneficiary to avoid adverse metabolic, bone related effects etc). Chances are, given this guys absence of symptoms, low T isnāt the cause here.
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TRIGGERED, I canāt afford hair removalā¦ and I have hair eeevvvveerryyywhere, as a consequence of genetics + TRT and āother stuffāā¦ mostly TRT/genetics. Unrelated to androgen mediated body hair Iāve had hairy arms and legs for as long as I can remember (bout age 8 or so)ā¦ itās genetic, there isnāt a place my father doesnāt have hair on his body (back, lower back, toes, stomach, chest, forearms, arms, shoulders, neck etcā¦ Iām slightly hairier than he (only on the stomach am I hairierā¦ probably due to TRT and āother stuffā)
Wonder whether he has an issue with testosterone production though, if he does his AR sensitivity is amazing (wondering as he is partially infertile, as is my motherā¦ complicated story)ā¦ Interestingly, despite his genetics in relation to body hair, he didnāt hit puberty til about 14-15, his development was incredibly abnormalā¦ and heās short (5ā8) so not as short as meā¦ Iām lucky I made it to my moms height, probably related to my incredibly premature birth however my growth in relation to height was very abnormal, never went through a growth spurt (well I did grow about 3-4 inches during the 5th grade, then hit 5ā4 in the 8th grade and stagnatedā¦ grew like 2 more cm and my body called it quits)ā¦ My WEIGHT on the other hand, puberty caused me to go from 80-140lbs in about 14 months (granted a lot of it was fat as my metabolism slowed down to a grinding halt), the difference was fairly astounding
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You probably donāt have low T, although dietary and lifestyle optimisation can be factored to increase natty T (seriously, one can double + their natty T with the right diet, lifestyle and supplementation.) Do you take boron?
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Seriously why is this still an argument? The guy has no low T symptoms other than being skinnyfat.
@tonyton you ignored my question about physical activity growing up?
99%+ chance you can change your body, significantly, if you just focus more on gym and food.
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Seriously why is this still an argument? The guy has no low T symptoms other than being skinnyfat.
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Have do you know that for sure? My physical symptoms match a low T guy, but otherwise, I dont have any espcially tho.
Because physical symptoms in the absence of traditional symptoms make low T unlikely, itās possibleā¦ but not particularly likely (and if you come back with a number of like 400-450ng/dl people will say āheās low for his age, TRTTTTTāā¦ but thatās fucking bullshit, if you have a shitty lifestyle/diet and subpar body composition thatās probably about what one would expect, and modifications to lifestyle can easily double that number.)
On the other hand if you come back at like 1-300ng/dl we may be looking at a legitimate issue (which I seriously doubt is the case as youād likely feel a whooooole lot worse than what you describe)
I know that because you said that? You said energy fine, libido fine, mentally fine. These things would not be fine if you had very low T.
On the other hand lots of people with normal T have soft bodies because they dont train them.
Yes theres a chance you have low T, and youāve been told that the only way to know is to go get a test, so if you think you;re low T go and get tested. Digging further into this hole gets you nowhere.
But avoiding the fact that clearly your training and nutrition arenāt good will hurt you whether you have high T OR low T. Either way you should fix that.
How would I feel? No energy? How bad would my sexdrive be?
If I have a normal sexdrive and libido, how can I then have low T? Iv read a article, it sais about 95% with low T have low libido/sexdrive, its the main symptom. U cant have low T, without it affecting your sexlife.
