But they’ve been around for decades
And are growing in the younger generations thru indoctrination…don’t know if it will get big enough to change the USA, but IMHO, it can be worrisome
He probably isn’t a Muslim.
That is a disturbingly accurate statement. Even more the case with ISIS, as they simply represent a literal reading of a 7th century how-to religious book, something no one does with the Bible.
FWIW, the Taliban are against this (they’re perfectly fine with blowing up schoolgirls) If there’s something positive - and the word positive is doing some very heavy lifting here - about the Taliban rule is that the molestation of underage boys has dropped somewhat compared to anti-Taliban forces.
Technically speaking, in Syria they do.
American Christians?
FSA, JaT and so forth had a pretty liberal revolving door policy - let’s not look to deep into who was doing the headchopping under the black flag.
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[quote=“unreal24278, post:57, topic:274443, full:true”]Should be noted the UN also consists of many Arab countries will condemn or pan anything Isreal does because they want Isreal gone.
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A handful of members with obvious bias throwing shade is one thing, but there have been numerous resolutions, and official condemnations garnering majority to near universal support from UN members over the past 10-15 years.
Shoulda had the swedes or swiss run a sovereign, non religious 3rd party state covering the holy land, and given the Jewish people the BVIs after WW2.
You know why I bothered to go back and forth properly defining communism wrt to the acts and intents of the “communist regimes” the fellow here brought up? Because socialists keep deflecting all the shit that’s been done in commie countries and blaming it on communism as if they’re mutually exclusive.
All the deaths and shit were due to socialism, i.e, the “dictatorship of the proletariat”.
While democratic socialism has evolved a lot over the past century, the root of their ideology is still a concerning one and it only takes some idiots to interpret it in the wrong manner for really shitty ideas to develop.
IMO, even republicans and “the Right” in the US should ditch the “commie bogeyman” schtick and use the word “socialism” instead. Too many idiots going down that rabbit hole. (Which doesn’t indicate my political leanings)
Even China is nothing close to socialist nor communist today. If anyone wants to know the real history and development, look up Deng Xiaoping.
And why the fuck are people calling themselves “Marxists” nowadays without any real backlash? They don’t have the balls or are they too stupid to call yourself or know they’re essentially commies? What’s next? Marxist-Leninist? Maoist? The latter would be almost like calling yourself a “Nazi” to me.
Btw, @unreal24278 and @Wuzzies , you fuckers are both 18??? Holy fuck. I was a spluttering idiot compared to BOTH of you when I was your age lol. Good on you, dudes.
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What are your thoughts on social democracies eg “the Nordic model”? That’s a big leap toward socialism compared to the USA, but seems to be working well… And is really what Bernie and Warren are pushing for.
Anything from those systems you like and think would work well in the USA? What do you think wouldn’t?
I think I replied to you before that social democrats and democratic socialism are different things altogether. I have nothing for, nor against the Nordic Model or social democracy since they’re actual systems of governance, not ideologically driven ones. They’re just systems you can apply where applicable and needed.
I think they work in some of those states although Denmark is a little iffy and their economic success comes a lot from their oil resources. It really depends on where and how it’s applied. I think it could be a good idea to apply them to certain countries in Asia.
I don’t know about the US. You guys have a very different culture from the rest of the world and a very unique system and society that’s developed. It’s not possible for me to make a call based on my current level of knowledge.
For example, I have never heard of illegals getting welfare lol. It seems preposterous to me at face value but I tell myself I need to consider that it’s a very different situation over there so there are probably valid reasons for it. It’s also why I didn’t want to get into the gun debate in the other thread.
And, again, I would like to reiterate that it’s the fact that “democratic socialism” can potentially lead to the development of really bad ideas simply by virtue of it being more of an ideology than an actual system of governance or economic model. Bernie calls himself a “democratic socialist” but he’s being constantly called out for not being one by people like Noam Chomsky.
My gripe with Bernie isn’t his stances although I quite despise his rhetoric and the fact that he’s making the term “socialism” mainstream despite not really being one himself. He’s another populist riding his own watered down and cherry picked version of the ideology to cater to his audience. If the term is accepted, there’s a real big rabbit hole to fall into when one decides to delve into it.
Also, the fucker called Chavez a “communist dictator” after his death. He’s not stupid. He knows what communism is. It was an obvious deflection wrt to socialism since he was cheering him on when he came into power as a “socialist victory”. What was he expecting at that time given all the events that took place elsewhere around the world? He didn’t think a totalitarian dictatorship was inevitable? If he really didn’t, you wouldn’t want to vote for him simply because that would mean I’m wrong and he’s really an idiot.
You can see his influence on idiots on AOC and though she’s not a full out Red Book thumping loon yet, who knows what the next generation of leaders will be like?
Ok, my point is I do not think there are many problems with Bernie’s policies in general and his more outlandish ones would never pass as legislation and he knows it. He uses hyperbole and false promises to garner support, just like every other politician does. But I do not know whether they’re suitable for the US.
Has a wall been built yet?
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I can’t speak for my brother, but I’m assuming he is speaking of American Christians. When we lived there the Christian communities, particularly the evangelical crowd were very pro Isreal
We are 20, I suppose there isn’t much of a difference. Though I’d like to think I’ve grown considerably since I was 18
Back then I used to think “rules are made to be broken” and I was always finding something to be angry about no matter how stupid the cause. Now I realise rules have a level of prognostic significance relating to maintaining societal order.
Some rules don’t make sense, those rules we can rally against, otherwise it’s stupid to break rules for the sake of breaking them. I was an angsty edgepotato
My brother has always been on the straight and narrow. As specified earlier we were and are very different people.
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It’s been my experience over too much wasted discussion with “troll types” here on PWI that if you think it may be a troll it’s probably best to act as such and save yourself the trouble of taking seriously. Then again when I was your age range and posting at PWI I always engaged with them and typed long posts calling them out on their BS. Now I’ll just ignore them and leave it to everyone else.
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Passive aggressive implication of victimhood.
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He might be, he might not be. Some of the heinous remarks he made, like a Muslim not being a Muslim unless they accepted certain specific principles were odd.
I’d never call a Catholic “not a Catholic” if they didn’t go to church or a Jew “not a Jew” if they eat bacon like I do.
I’m assuming he may be Islamic, albeit one of an extremely conservative, fundamentalist nature.
Meh. My Muslim friends make such remarks all the time when talking about other Muslims. I don’t give enough of a fuck about any of this to even ask why. Most shit just goes in one ear and comes out the other. One of them rants on and on to me even though he’s known me for over a decade and knows that I know balls about Islam lol.
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I have a few issues with your analysis.
You say the Palestinians have tried peace before. When exactly was that? I know it wasn’t in 1947, when the United Nations voted for a partition plan to create a Jewish state alongside the state of Palestine, which the Jews responded to by saying “yes”, and the Palestinians responded to by saying “fuck that” and launched a campaign to drive all the Jewish inhabitants of the land into the sea.
Since then, there has never been a single Palestinian proposed peace plan in the conflict. There have been Israeli ones though.
In 1993, Israeli Prime minister signed the Oslo accords with bill Clinton and Palestinian authority president yasser Arafat, promising the creation of a Palestinian state in the West Bank if Palestinian terrorism stopped. How did Arafat respond? Launching the second intifada in the form of suicide bombings, kidnapping and stabbing attacks on Israeli schools, restaurants, cafes, buses and hospitals.
In 2000, Israeli prime minister Ehud Barack offered Arafat all of the West Bank, Gaza as well as all of east Jerusalem. Did arafat say yes or offer terms of his own? No, he rejected the deal outright and launched terrorist attacks against Israelis.
In 2006, Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon unilaterally withdrew from Gaza, forcing Israeli Jews living there from their home by force. The entire strip was given to the Palestinians without any blockade or embargo. What happened? The Palestinians immediately elected Hamas, a terrorist organisation that explicitly calls for the death of Israel and the extermination of all Jews in its founding charter, into power. Hamas then immediately began launching rocket fire down onto Israel. Then israel responded by imposing a blockade and embargo on Gaza to stop Hamas from getting weapons to use to Kill Israelis. Until Hamas lays down its arms, obviously it would be suicide for israel to lift its embargo on the strip.
Clearly based on the historical evidence which you can check me on, it is not israel that does not want peace. It is the Palestinians and their corrupt governments. As for your claim that Israel could just get peace if it invested economically in Muslim countries, I tell you to look around you. Have you seen what has been happening in the past year? Israel signed normalisation agreements with the UAE, Bahrain, Sudan and Morocco, and even now is forging ahead enthusiastically with economic ties with them.
Clearly, israel is incredibly keen to forge economic ties with anyone who is willing to forge economic ties with them.
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You can say technically speaking in Syria they do, but that would be quite a technical argument wouldn’t it? Given the fact that that freedom to live as Christians is quite contingent on them supporting Assad and never saying a word against his illegitimate totalitarian rule. Not to mention the parts of the country that were ruled by ISIS until only a year or two ago and the parts of it still ruled by Jabhat al Nusra and al Qaeda elements can obviously not be considered safe for Christians.
As for your question “American Christians”? The guy who made this forum asked “why do Christians support israel”, he didn’t limit it to American Christians. If you are implying that only American Christians support israel, I’ll tell you that isn’t true. Christians from all around the globe
Support Israel. Indeed, one of the main reasons Guatemala followed the US’s lead in moving its embassy from Tel aviv to Jerusalem in the last two years was because of the sizeable evangelical Christian community In the country that supports Israel because of its religious beliefs.
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You say a “handful of members” with bad intentions. I ask you, are you aware of the make up of the UN? It has 193 member states. 50 of those are Muslim states or Muslim majority states. I can’t imagine why anyone would imagine that the votes of any of those 50 states would be legitimate when it comes to Israel. The anti semitism and anti Israel sentiment is every Muslim majority state in the world is astronomical. Holocaust denial is rampant in almost every Muslim majority state in the world
https://www.cairn-int.info/article-E_RHMC_622_0089--antisemitism-in-muslim-communities-and.htm
Now of course you could respond by then saying “but 50 is a minority out of 193”.
I would respond by telling you sure, but it’s still not only a “handful” of countries. I would then ask you who else is in the UN? Russia, China, Cuba, every country in Africa, venezeula, Belarus, the Phillipines, Vietnam, and a plethora of other horrific rights abusing countries that systematically violate the principles of the UN’s universal declaration of human rights every day. Why anyone trusts what comes out of this hypocritical organisation is beyond me. When these anti israel resolutions you mention as routinely passed, they are signed onto by all 50 Muslim states and supported by other rights abusing countries who relish the chance to distract from their own human rights abuses by targeting, demonising and delegitimising Israel, using it as a scapegoat. Not that Jews aren’t used to that….
The UN consistently condemns israel more than it does every single other country in the world combined, which obviously includes China, Russia, Syria, North Korea, Iran and Saudi Arabia, etc. if you don’t think there is something seriously suspicious about that, you are kidding yourself.
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Reference from dazed and confused, one of my favorite movies
The soundtrack/musical selection for the film was excellent. Fog hat, Alice Cooper, deep purple, kiss, black sabbath, lynyrd skynyrd and more!
Amazing, wish this kind of music was still played in public venues. If I could find a place that played this material you’d never be able to get me to leave.
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That’s one of the best movie soundtracks of all time.
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I’m assuming he is a troll pretending to be a Muslim in order to bait posters into saying islamophobic remarks.
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