[quote]ZEB wrote:
The guy actually made 300 million dollars in the private sector ON HIS OWN!
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That is what I’m talking about. You could hand a 1,000 people 250 million, and I would venture to guess that 990 won’t make 300.
You don’t make that kind of money on accident.
It takes money to make money . Mitt’s dad was an admirable man . The way I understand it Mitt’s dad was on welfare when he came to America . He then rose to President of Rambler . Very impressive
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It takes money to make money . Mitt’s dad was an admirable man . The way I understand it Mitt’s dad was on welfare when he came to America . He then rose to President of Rambler . Very impressive [/quote]
Whatever helps you sleep at night pitt.
Did Romeny have access to more opportunity because of his father’s success? Yup.
Did his father build Mitt’s wealth? Nope.
If what Romeny did was so easy, why aren’t you worth 250mil?
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It takes money to make money . Mitt’s dad was an admirable man . The way I understand it Mitt’s dad was on welfare when he came to America . He then rose to President of Rambler . Very impressive [/quote]
Whatever helps you sleep at night pitt.
Did Romeny have access to more opportunity because of his father’s success? Yup.
Did his father build Mitt’s wealth? Nope.
If what Romeny did was so easy, why aren’t you worth 250mil?[/quote]
That’s the thing about politics it demonizes people. Suddenly a former Governor, someone who saved the Olympics and made 300 million bucks in the private sector is “not that successful” then what the heck am I?
A skid row bum?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It takes money to make money . Mitt’s dad was an admirable man . The way I understand it Mitt’s dad was on welfare when he came to America . He then rose to President of Rambler . Very impressive [/quote]
Whatever helps you sleep at night pitt.
Did Romeny have access to more opportunity because of his father’s success? Yup.
Did his father build Mitt’s wealth? Nope.
If what Romeny did was so easy, why aren’t you worth 250mil?[/quote]
That’s the thing about politics it demonizes people. Suddenly a former Governor, someone who saved the Olympics and made 300 million bucks in the private sector is “not that successful” then what the heck am I?
A skid row bum?
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I am apparently setting my kids up to be evil, lazy liars as well.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
It takes money to make money . Mitt’s dad was an admirable man . The way I understand it Mitt’s dad was on welfare when he came to America . He then rose to President of Rambler . Very impressive [/quote]
Whatever helps you sleep at night pitt.
Did Romeny have access to more opportunity because of his father’s success? Yup.
Did his father build Mitt’s wealth? Nope.
If what Romeny did was so easy, why aren’t you worth 250mil?[/quote]
That’s the thing about politics it demonizes people. Suddenly a former Governor, someone who saved the Olympics and made 300 million bucks in the private sector is “not that successful” then what the heck am I?
A skid row bum?
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I am apparently setting my kids up to be evil, lazy liars as well.[/quote]
Not at all ,it is what they do with it . I am not faulting Romney at all . I am stating that it is his father that gave him a huge advantage .
I do know 2 trust fund kids . One is very successful one is a raging Alcoholic. They are both women . The successful one is very thankful to her father for giving her such a great start in life . The other not so much
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I am not faulting Romney at all . [/quote]
Yes you are dude, lol. Re-read your posts. If you don’t intend to it is coming across that way.
[quote]I am stating that it is his father that gave him a huge advantage .
I do know 2 trust fund kids . One is very successful one is a raging Alcoholic. They are both women . The successful one is very thankful to her father for giving her such a great start in life . The other not so much
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I doubt Romney is deluded to the fact his father, his family and his young life helped him.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I am not faulting Romney at all . [/quote]
Yes you are dude, lol. Re-read your posts. If you don’t intend to it is coming across that way.
[quote]I am stating that it is his father that gave him a huge advantage .
I do know 2 trust fund kids . One is very successful one is a raging Alcoholic. They are both women . The successful one is very thankful to her father for giving her such a great start in life . The other not so much
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I doubt Romney is deluded to the fact his father, his family and his young life helped him.[/quote]
I criticized Romney for not being a very good liar . I did make an intelligence evaluation about him because he is such a poor liar
Chicago Teachers on strike.
Apparently a 16% pay raise is not enough in this market.
How many private sector people are looking at a 16% pay raise ?
Looks like we should have let them fail?
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Chicago Teachers on strike.
Apparently a 16% pay raise is not enough in this market.
How many private sector people are looking at a 16% pay raise ?
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So if your job suddenly increased your workday 90 minutes would you think you should get paid more?
You anti union guys ever even read any history books about public sector jobs and pay and benefits before the advent of unions?
From your very own source:
Emanuelâ??s aggressive posture in pushing for a longer school day and year, while also cutting the pay raise teachers were supposed to get last year, galvanized the union.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
http://bottomline.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/10/13780299-gm-losing-as-much-as-49000-per-volt-sold?lite
Looks like we should have let them fail?
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How the fuck do you lose 49k per car if its sticker price is only 39?
What is wrong with these people?
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
I am not faulting Romney at all . [/quote]
Yes you are dude, lol. Re-read your posts. If you don’t intend to it is coming across that way.
[quote]I am stating that it is his father that gave him a huge advantage .
I do know 2 trust fund kids . One is very successful one is a raging Alcoholic. They are both women . The successful one is very thankful to her father for giving her such a great start in life . The other not so much
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I doubt Romney is deluded to the fact his father, his family and his young life helped him.[/quote]
I criticized Romney for not being a very good liar . I did make an intelligence evaluation about him because he is such a poor liar
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Looks like you’re not a very good liar Pittski!
You said above:
So a man with a law and business degree from Harvard would be lucky to get a Community College degree?
Now tell us all Pittski how exactly did his father help him graduate from Harvard with a law and business degree?
[quote]groo wrote:
So if your job suddenly increased your workday 90 minutes would you think you should get paid more? [/quote]
GW recently opened my eyes to the fact teachers have to do a ton of shit that if you are a good teacher, you don’t need to do.
I think kids go to school 120 days a year, so that is an additional 180 hours of work a year. How much extra admin time this turns into, I have no idea.
For my employer to add 90 mins a day to me would be about 390 hours a year extra onto my billable time. That is like an extra 10 weeks of work, in the same 52 week year.
So yes I would want a raise. 16% though? That would be a pipe dream…
[quote]You anti union guys ever even read any history books about public sector jobs and pay and benefits before the advent of unions?
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Anyone that doesn’t admit the good unions did for this country is being dishonest.
That said, today isn’t the same world.
Thank you Beans, why people think the Unions of old are like the Unions of today is beyond me.
Groo,
I will now ask you to defend why teacher Unions are defending a child molesting teacher who fed his kids cookies covered with his own semen.
Dems wrote a bill to speed up the firing of such teachers, and the Unions killed it, tell me why that’s ok.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Thank you Beans, why people think the Unions of old are like the Unions of today is beyond me.
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This glorification of the “unions of old” is pissing me off.
The old school union thug looked like Jimmy Hoffa.
IMO the will be a resurgence of unions Companies are reporting Record profits but wages are stagnant
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Thank you Beans, why people think the Unions of old are like the Unions of today is beyond me.
Groo,
I will now ask you to defend why teacher Unions are defending a child molesting teacher who fed his kids cookies covered with his own semen.
Dems wrote a bill to speed up the firing of such teachers, and the Unions killed it, tell me why that’s ok.[/quote]
Same reason the Catholic church swept the pedophile priests under the rug instead of prosecuting them. Same reason any organization tries to keep the bad in house. You were wrong on the Chicago teacher issue. Let it go. At no time have I defended whatever case you are talking about they are not the same issue. You aren’t allowed to define the position I hold and then attack it. I simply said that if you have worktime added to your day about 18 percent or so time don’t you think you should get paid more? Seems only fair.
They haven’t had a teacher strike in Chicago in 25 years so its not like the teachers are frequent strikers.
I hope you get the difference in supporting unions and general and not the specific case you lay out. It would be like me saying you support the mayor of Chicago dropping all the white cops from his security detail because you support the city versus the striking teachers. You can support part of something and not the whole.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]groo wrote:
So if your job suddenly increased your workday 90 minutes would you think you should get paid more? [/quote]
GW recently opened my eyes to the fact teachers have to do a ton of shit that if you are a good teacher, you don’t need to do.
I think kids go to school 120 days a year, so that is an additional 180 hours of work a year. How much extra admin time this turns into, I have no idea.
For my employer to add 90 mins a day to me would be about 390 hours a year extra onto my billable time. That is like an extra 10 weeks of work, in the same 52 week year.
So yes I would want a raise. 16% though? That would be a pipe dream…
[quote]You anti union guys ever even read any history books about public sector jobs and pay and benefits before the advent of unions?
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Anyone that doesn’t admit the good unions did for this country is being dishonest.
That said, today isn’t the same world. [/quote]
It depends to some extent. My ex wife works for the state and her area took voluntary pay freezes and reductions in work time to keep everyone that wanted a job hired with a backend agreement in x years the pay would be increased as it should have been under the current contract. Regardless of whether the state made a smart deal if you agree to something in good faith you should try to uphold your end. If the Chicago deal was something similar then 16 percent might be in the ball park.
As well an agreement could likely have been reached except the mayor is a bit of a prick.
[quote]groo wrote:
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Thank you Beans, why people think the Unions of old are like the Unions of today is beyond me.
Groo,
I will now ask you to defend why teacher Unions are defending a child molesting teacher who fed his kids cookies covered with his own semen.
Dems wrote a bill to speed up the firing of such teachers, and the Unions killed it, tell me why that’s ok.[/quote]
Same reason the Catholic church swept the pedophile priests under the rug instead of prosecuting them. Same reason any organization tries to keep the bad in house. You were wrong on the Chicago teacher issue. Let it go. At no time have I defended whatever case you are talking about they are not the same issue. You aren’t allowed to define the position I hold and then attack it. I simply said that if you have worktime added to your day about 18 percent or so time don’t you think you should get paid more? Seems only fair.
They haven’t had a teacher strike in Chicago in 25 years so its not like the teachers are frequent strikers.
I hope you get the difference in supporting unions and general and not the specific case you lay out. It would be like me saying you support the mayor of Chicago dropping all the white cops from his security detail because you support the city versus the striking teachers. You can support part of something and not the whole.
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Yeah Max leave the teachers alone! How do you expect those poor teachers to make ends meet on only 75-k for half a years work?
Sheesh…some people.