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For not being interested in that he does a really good job of inviting anyone on the show who wants to speak, liberal or conservative. This is something conservative media does quite well today. Steven Crowder’s “Change my mind” is another great example. Democrats can declare themselves in favor of free speech as much as they want, but they’re the ones actively working to stifle conservative voices however they can.

Conservatives, on the other hand, like it when their ideas can be contrasted against a liberals in clear terms. That’s why you don’t see any mainstream conservatives advocating for censoring their political opponents.

The cynic in me recognizes that this is self-serving behavior from Shapiro and other conservatives. Mainstream liberal ideas about actual policy are so incredibly weak right now that even the brightest, most articulate liberals can be easily placed into a rhetorical corner if they insist on toeing the party line. There’s simply too many incongruent and non-sensical policy priorities that defending them in plain English becomes nearly impossible. It’s really hard to look bad when your opponent is arguing that we do, in fact, need to inform the kindergartners about left-wing gender theory and unusual adult sexual lifestyles.

By all means, shout your policy priorities from the rooftops!

How much Shapiro’s changed his opinions over the years is a mystery to me, but I’m sure if you could ask him he could answer. I doubt he crawled out of the womb with his present ideas about politics, society and culture fully-formed.

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But isn’t that the point. If you and @flipcollar are fine with that, so be it. Do it. Thats your choice. I’m not. My 6 and 9 year old still believe in the easter bunny and don’t have a clue about sexuality. When they do and they are interested, I will decide the time.

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Well, his focus is winning debates. Which is fine, that’s his shtick. But I’ll compare him to Joe Rogan for a second. Rogan invites people onto his show of all points of view as well. But he has them there because he is personally invested in learning from them, and he is VERY open to changing his mind. It’s a more open minded discussion. That’s not the case with Shapiro.

I can definitely agree with this for a pretty big percentage of democrats. It’s disappointing, and it’s not something I support.

I don’t agree with this. I see a whole lot of misrepresentation and straw man arguments from right wing media. Finding one or 2 extreme leftists, or whatever example they cherry pick, and extrapolating the beliefs of the party at large from that. I think they construe the average liberal American as being farther left than what they truly are.

There are a few liberals who hold their own, even on debates on conservative outlets. David Pakman comes to mind. But you’re right, conservatives do a much better job. As I said, Shapiro is great at winning debates. But again, I think it often comes by misrepresenting where the party lines actually are. Calling the other side a bunch of communists, and then successfully defending capitalism over communism, is a pretty simple task. But that’s not actually where the mainstream left is in the first place. (not using this specific example in reference to Shapiro)

Again, misrepresenting mainstream left. There’s a difference between saying we ‘need’ to inform kids about gender theory vs being opposed to banning any and all conversation about gender. You take the position to an extreme with this characterization. I, for instance, CERTAINLY don’t want gender theory to be a required aspect of the Texas school curiculum in kindergarten. But I also don’t believe there needs to be legislation banning it.

As a side note, there is also the separate issue of most Americans not actually reading the legislation in the first place, which further hinders reasonable debate on this particular bit of legislation. But that’s another can of worms. It’s really easy for both sides to misunderstand what the other side believes when nobody’s actually doing the groundwork to know what exactly is in the bill, and both sides think it’s something other than what it actually is.

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Well, more than likely their friends will be deciding the time if you don’t soon. Unless you live in a really small town. Without Tv’s. Or internet.

And I’m not saying this to be a dick. I just know what school is like now. You’ve got one or two shithead kids with older siblings who want to tell their classmates everything we’re trying not to talk about at home. Then one day your kid comes home and asks ‘what does this mean’, or he just incorporates new words into his vocabulary and you have to ask ‘where did you hear those things’?

But that really is beside the point. Just an observation from my own experience as a parent of a 7 year old.

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That’s true, but who are the mainstream leftists who would serve as a foil to Shapiro in a debate? When I think of Ben Shapiro, I think of a mainstream conservative with well-formed ideas about politics, society and culture. You mention Packman, and I agree that he’s probably the closest thing to a mainstream liberal who can advocate as well as it can be done, but he is still just polishing a turd.

I used to like Jim Hightower back when I was a liberal, but now it is so incredibly easy to find massive gaps in his reasoning and policy thoughts. It’s almost all emotionally-driven arguments from the Democrats today, at least for the major policy issues.

The left is deviod of any sort of leadership right now, aside from that provided by the woke mob. If I’m wrong, why is the White House advocating for chemical and physical mutilation of children as a health measure?

When I think of Joe Rogan, who I also listen to on my commute, I think of a meat head who is good at getting his guests to speak freely. It is evident to anyone who listens to both that Rogan’s ideas on politics are not nearly as well-formed as Shapiros. I’m not necessarily saying that makes Rogan’s ideas bad, it just makes Rogan a person who has spent a lot more time thinking about comedy and fighting than he does about politics. That’s what makes him Joe Rogan.

How so? If it wasn’t happening and doesn’t need a law, why are all of these kids ending up “trans” at dramatically increasing rates that far exceed the historic rate of Gender Dysphoria? Why is it happening in young people and not adults? Nobody has even attempted to explain this.

If you oppose the very simple and clear Florida law, it means you’re okay with it happening when and where it does, even if rare. I don’t like unnecessary and symbolic legislation either, but this seems to be addressing a very real concern. It’s happening to kids. Today.

Agreed, and that starts with a massive campaign using feel-good catch phrases like “Don’t say gay” to deliberately misrepresent it. Calling mundane voter reforms in GA the “New Jim Crow” is right up there too.

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Yeah I see that too! But I will still prefer that over an adult with an agenda. They do usually bring those “I heards” home for further discussion.

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Maybe “not bad” in comparison to the average Democrat woman, but I don’t know that I’d call it “beautiful.”

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You’re missing an opportunity to teach them that men can be women, up can be down, and that Progressives are correct.

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But have they ever stopped to consider if the Easter Bunny wants to be a bunny? What if he/she/they want to be the Easter Duck instead?

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Pakman is really the only answer I have. You’re 100% right that the left has been very slow to catch up with the right in terms of quality debate, mass media, etc. This problem goes back literally decades, you could say to the talk radio days with Rush, or further back if you’d like. It’s pretty bad.

Well, yea. As evidenced by who we put in the White House. But a lack of leadership is still better than shitty leadership… otherwise Trump would still be there. Pretty sad on both sides.

This is a difficult question to answer, but I seriously doubt it has anything to do with what teachers are teaching. I think it could be a lot of things. We used to think the percentage of gay people was significantly lower than it actually was, because of dishonesty in surveys, essentially. If you have to hide the fact that you’re gay, or that you potentially have gender dysphoria, because of social ramifications, it shouldn’t be surprising that numbers/estimations would be under-reported. We also have a FAR higher diagnosis rate of things like ADD than we did 30-40 years ago. One could argue that it’s being over-diagnosed now. One could also argue that it was underdiagnosed previously. I don’t know which is more accurate, could be a bit of both. That’s how I see the trans issue.

I agree with you here. I don’t like hyperbole in the media, purporting to be ‘just the facts’. I think this was a really bad take.

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I hate to break it to you flip, but that’s because the ideas on the left just suck right now. They have for a while, but I can’t judge anyone for endearing themselves to Democrats, popular leftist social currents and broader leftist rhetoric and policy. I did it too, before I became capable of understanding politics in more meaningful depth, changing my deeply-held liberal opinions and reflecting on what led me to believe in them.

Guns were the issue that probably tipped it for me. I used to be a “round-em-up, ban-em-all” liberal in my teens and early 20’s. It seemed so obvious to me that doing so would be good for people everywhere. It wasn’t the better conservative ideas that really won me over either, it was the realization that anti-gun leftists depended on lies, not facts, to advance their policy priorities.

I think it is entirely natural for people to identify a problem and conclude that something must be done about it. The good intentions of liberals is really what roped me in to that team. We just wanted the best for everyone, after all! Being adults, however, means that we need the wisdom to consider the possibility that doing nothing at all will perhaps play out better than doing everything possible from a government policy perspective.

If there were good modern leftist ideas rooted in truth, virtue and shared values that resonate with most people, there would be a million liberals lining up to advocate for them with exactly the same kind of clarity and depth of thought that Shapiro brings. Shapiro isn’t exactly a titan of conservative thought, either. Watch any old PBS video where Thomas Sowell sits down with an opposing viewpoint you’ll see the same intellectual and rhetorical bloodbath, only 40 years ago.

You can see the same basic disagreements playing out on twitter today. I still prefer to watch a national treasure like Sowell debating moral busybodies who haven’t the slightest clue about how to translate their good intentions into good outcomes through government policy. Twitter as a platform, despite it’s popularity and influence, doesn’t exactly lend itself to depth of though.

I could do my best to advocate for liberal ideas in a similar manner to Packman, but you’re handicapped from the start because the woke mob has led the Democrat party into so many irrational policy positions. Even if I put the same amount of effort into advocating for liberal policy priorities that I do for conservative policy priorities, I doubt many people would find my arguments compelling. Not because I’m bad at backing up my opinion, but because the opinions don’t allow themselves to be backed up.

I understand being opposed to conservatism, especially the fundamentalist Christians who did, in fact, have quite a bit more political power in years past.

I think history will be much kinder to Trump than modern left-leaning media figures have been. I definitely warmed up to him as his presidency progressed. We are living through perhaps the greatest political turmoil in the USA since the civil war, with more to come.

There’s no shortage of conservative leadership right now. I’ve got governors, media figures, congressman and economists who I can get behind confidently. That doesn’t mean I agree with them 100 percent, it just means that we’ve got a lot of people with good ideas worth listening to.

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Repeat until funny with these types of jokes, seen them many times on these threads.

I posted a scientific article about human gender and no one’s disputed it just made cracks at those they don’t agree with. All while talking about logic and rational thinking.

Do you choose this stance with educating your children on all topics. You choose when it’s time? As my kids have learnt about ww2 and that’s far harder on a child then gender etc? Also, I’ve worked with kids who knew they where gay etc since a very young age and their families hated it, it didn’t change the fact they are gay. As flip has mentioned, your children will learn about this whether it be in a monitored classroom with a syllabus or some kids in school.

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I read it. That wasn’t a scientific article. It was a political opinion piece using a crude appeal to authority to back up radical notions about left-wing gender ideology. I did not pick up on any scientific backing for the notion that we ought to be explaining adult sexual behaviors to kindergarteners.

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All topics I feel are detrimental yes. Why wouldn’t I as a parent? Silly question brother. I mean it’s cool to “do you” with your children. Why can’t it be fine for me to choose the same? Remember what age demographic started this and what Disney, this thread, is against.

Let me quote your scientific article as you call it….
Nearly everyone in middle school biology learned that if you’ve got XX chromosomes, you’re a female; if you’ve got XY, you’re a male. This tired simplification is great for teaching the importance of chromosomes but betrays the true nature of biological sex. The popular belief that your sex arises only from your chromosomal makeup is wrong. The truth is, your biological sex isn’t carved in stone, but a living system with the potential for change.

Even this refers to middle school bro, middle school not elementary. I mean it’s pure BS but that’s another topic of discussion as it doesn’t relate to Disney.

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But no one here is arguing we should discuss adult sexual behaviours. That’s different to gender and sexuality.
I’m sure people here don’t discuss what they do with their wife but your children get it’s a heterosexual relationship?

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Bro, no one is saying you have to explain sex to little children.

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You pretty much just did… and I’m referring to sex, gender identity etc etc. my elementary aged children are also not learning about WW2 FYI

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But I didn’t did I. We both know that.

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If that were true, there would be near-universal agreement with the Florida legislation labeled as “don’t say gay”. Nor would there be a need to misrepresent it in such a way as to refer to it as the “don’t say gay” bill.

As it stands, there are quite a few people, including the President and Vice President of the United States of America, who feel the need to ensure that the window is left open for public educators, paid with tax dollars, to have room to suggest to young children that boys might be girls and vice versa. We should also leave room for educators to suggest that gay and lesbian lifestyles are good and even better paths to pursue in life.

Why?

Sure, and that’s a good thing. It is very important for boys and girls to see what men and women living in healthy relationships looks like.

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