Dirty Gerdy's GHRP6 and Peptide chat

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[quote]Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Brook wrote:
wow. I am in! 100%

Thanks for the thread mate - a true lesson learnt there for many of us.

Such frequent injects are tough as all hell though.

Brook

They are just sub Q so no worries. Unless having the time to inj. is the problem. I actually bumped the dose of each shot and just did Morning and before bed the last week or so and loved it. I am a fan of shooting higher doses in fewer shots, instead of spreading it out.

I’m starting to taper down and am only shooting one shot per day now.

This morning was 450mcg in one shot! The hunger dang near killed me. The hypo feeling was kind of scary as well. lol

I definitely think there is a relation to the amount injected and the size of the sides that follow shortly after.

GHRP6 can and should be run in higher doses. Preferrably by itself around 700-1000mcg/day Imo. It is relatively cheap and shouldn’t bust the bank even at these doses.

Start thinking about adding in CJC-1295 and honestly I’ve found that you might as well just spend a little extra $ and get some quality HGH.

Now GHRP6 + Hexarelin which can be found fairly cheap may be something to think about.

DG[/quote]

Isnt the IGF raise (in particular) from a cjc+ghrp run worth doing RATHER than the comparibly priced GH run though? - doesnt the increase of GH come close to a 4iu/D protocol of GH, and doesnt the increase of igf - well superceed the increase from GH.

I am asking you, i dont know - it would seem that way as the rise is 150% upto 300% base levels dose dependant i have read (of IGF).

What does GH increase them by? Obviously dose dependant, but a 4iu protocol which i would assume would be near the price of said CJC run.

I googled “4iu hGH increase in serum GH levels” but had little, i wondered if you knew as you have read alot about the ‘peps’
:slight_smile:

Brook

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[quote] Brook wrote:
Dirty Gerdy wrote:
Brook wrote:
wow. I am in! 100%

Thanks for the thread mate - a true lesson learnt there for many of us.

Such frequent injects are tough as all hell though.

Brook

They are just sub Q so no worries. Unless having the time to inj. is the problem. I actually bumped the dose of each shot and just did Morning and before bed the last week or so and loved it. I am a fan of shooting higher doses in fewer shots, instead of spreading it out.

I’m starting to taper down and am only shooting one shot per day now.

This morning was 450mcg in one shot! The hunger dang near killed me. The hypo feeling was kind of scary as well. lol

I definitely think there is a relation to the amount injected and the size of the sides that follow shortly after.

GHRP6 can and should be run in higher doses. Preferrably by itself around 700-1000mcg/day Imo. It is relatively cheap and shouldn’t bust the bank even at these doses.

Start thinking about adding in CJC-1295 and honestly I’ve found that you might as well just spend a little extra $ and get some quality HGH.

Now GHRP6 + Hexarelin which can be found fairly cheap may be something to think about.

DG

Isnt the IGF raise (in particular) from a cjc+ghrp run worth doing RATHER than the comparibly priced GH run though? - doesnt the increase of GH come close to a 4iu/D protocol of GH, and doesnt the increase of igf - well superceed the increase from GH.

I am asking you, i dont know - it would seem that way as the rise is 150% upto 300% base levels dose dependant i have read (of IGF).

What does GH increase them by? Obviously dose dependant, but a 4iu protocol which i would assume would be near the price of said CJC run.

I googled “4iu hGH increase in serum GH levels” but had little, i wondered if you knew as you have read alot about the ‘peps’
:slight_smile:

Brook[/quote]

I don’t know how either effects IGF-1 but IMO I do think that with GH+insulin that the IGF produced in the liver will superceed any of the other peptides (except maybe injecting a boatload of IGF-1 itself).

To me it seems like HGH is still king over all of these peptides, being that the rest of them ‘stimulate’ a strong GH release from your natural secretion .vs. administering your own HGH by controlling your levels through inj. it straight into your body.

Now I guess the key is… could one possibly run CJC+GHRP6 at a cheaper price than HGH when both (HGH or CJCGHRP6) end up yielding comparable GH, IGF-1, etc levels in the body?

I still think that if somebody could afford say 8IU HGH 5on/2off you will grow like a sumbitch compared to CJCGHRP6 even at insane dosages. After all you can only ‘stimulate’ or ‘release’ so much.

From what I’ve read GH+slin is the best, then GH+IGF-1, then on down the line to all the peptides. Now I know both of those could get a little pricey.

Imo peptides should be used when one cannot or will not use the above protocols.

All of this I have no evidence except for my general understanding of these peptides and the human body. All of my opinions are based upon research as I have only played with GHRP6 so far. To be completely honest as well, although I have only been on AAS for about 10days I can honestly say that peptides aren’t even in the same ball park as AAS. A nice addition but not comparable.

Now for a bulker I’m thinking something like this (always fun drawing this stuff up :stuck_out_tongue: lol)

w 1-12 Test (of choice) 500-750mg/week
w (6 weeks at choice time) Anadrol/winny 50-100mg/50mg ED (too high doses?)
started 4 weeks prior to cycle IGF-1 + MGF
run for 4 weeks after PCT IGF-1 + MGF
w 1-through PCT CJC or Hexarelin + GHRP6 (I personally will use GHRP6 for bulking as mainly my apetite stimulant, any GH release is a bonus)(The studies on HEX + GHRP6 are nothing to frown at neither, maybe not as stout as CJC, but definitely more cost effective.)

For a more advanced and ‘RICH’ user I think that HGH + Insulin would yield more results than all of the peptides mentioned above.

I choose the IGF-1 and MGF to be ran pre and post cycle as the benefits from those peptides seem to be something you see further down the road instead of immediately. Increased satellite cells and hyperplasia with the maturing of muscle cells sounds awesome. Although this takes time I think that those peptides taken pre cycle will give us some satellite cells and myoblasts to work with and hopefully mature at a fast rate when on this massive bulker. Taken post pct will ensure that your body has more cells to build up and the potential to grow even bigger.

The HEX, CJC, GHRP or combo of whatever is ran during cycle to give the benefits just as HGH would during cycle. The added benefit of hunger during a bulk is a +1 as well.

Dang this is long. lol

Anybody else wanna chime in on the discussion of peptides? I don’t think there are too many people around these parts messing with them. lol

This post got waaaay too long.

DG

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I found this…seems like ‘broscience’ but oh well its something

Doesn’t really answer CJC+ GHRP6, but it does show a nice conversion of GH and IGF-1

I don’t really like this as it directly relates GH and IGF-1. I do know/believe that the two are correlated with each other…but GH does sooo many more things in the body than IGF-1 alone does.

That quote makes it seem like GH at a certain dose does the same thing as IGF-1 at a certain dose. lol

DG

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I just wanted to jump in and say great thread DG! I’ve been reading/lurking since you started it, so I wanted to say thanks for sharing your GHRP-6 experience and information with us. It’s gotten me interested enough to try a run of it myself…

Again, thanks and good luck with your Test/Anadrol/Winny cycle!

Jelly

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[quote]Jelly Roll wrote:
I just wanted to jump in and say great thread DG! I’ve been reading/lurking since you started it, so I wanted to say thanks for sharing your GHRP-6 experience and information with us. It’s gotten me interested enough to try a run of it myself…

Again, thanks and good luck with your Test/Anadrol/Winny cycle!

Jelly[/quote]

Hey wats up Jelly. I’d recommend looking into stacking it with hexarelin or the newer CJC-1295 (kinda pricey tho) There is a GH/IGF forum over at anabolicminds.com that has a lot of info on peptides, these specifially as well. I wish I would have found it before I started my own experiment. lol :stuck_out_tongue:

Thanks for the luck man but Test/Tren/Winny :stuck_out_tongue: I’m on Day 11 and it rocks :wink: Drol may be in the next one tho :smiley:

Take it easy man

DG

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what can you feel in way of ANABOLISM WHOOOOP WOOOP! YEAH BABEE then gerds?

Brook

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[quote] Brook wrote:
what can you feel in way of ANABOLISM WHOOOOP WOOOP! YEAH BABEE then gerds?

Brook[/quote]

Well 12 days ago I was in between 213-215lbs. Last night I weighed in at 221 lbs. Strength is through the roof. I seem to be really flirtatious with my girlfriends…lol! I’m vascular and feel like I have a pump 24/7.

I’m getting kind of short with people tho and definitely more aggressive in anything that I do. I’m a really calm/nice guy unless you piss me off…but I have a shorter fuse.

I don’t believe in ‘rage’ but I do think the hormones (most likely tren) has given me a little bit of a shorter fuse. Especially with ignorance and stupidity. lol

I started my diet for 2 weeks and got into contest shape quickly. I’ve decided to do a blitz (somewhat clean) bulk until just shy of thanksgiving and then jump back on my diet.

I’m hoping to compete at my show on dec. 6th at 6’ 225+ lbs and as good or better conditioning than my avatar which is 6’ 200lbs or so. :wink:

DG

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[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
The stomach, arms, legs and buttocks can be used for injections. Injections are absorbed best from the stomach, next from the arms, and least well from the legs and buttocks.[/quote]

So where does the injection go if not absorbed into the bloodstream?

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Hey Bill,

This was my source:

http://www.healthinfotranslations.com/pdfDocs/050688_Ukr_Final_Subcutaneous-Injection-Sites.pdf

Unfortunately I don’t know the reason.

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Hey Bill,

While your here, what are your thoughts on protocols regaurding IGF-1 lr3 and PegMGF stacked together?

I’ve found that some people like to inject each 3x per week and 24-36hrs apart from each other.

What do you think of something like this?

4 weeks

mon,wed,fri (morning) PMGF
Tues,thurs,sat (PWO) IGF-1

It would then alternate to PMGF sun,tues,thurs and IGF-1 mon, wed, fri and so on and so forth. There would be one or the other shot ED.

IM .vs. SubQ for both compounds?

I guess I’m not really looking for a cycle outline, but any advice/experience/etc you may have with these compounds.

Anybody else as well lol :stuck_out_tongue:

Thanks I’d really appreciate it.

DG

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Dynamo Hum, I only see two possibilities:

  1. An active compound injected at a given site undergoes some metabolic inactivation at the site and therefore some does not reach the bloodstream, with different sites likely being different in this regard. This doesn’t make sense to me with these peptides.

  2. If that doesn’t occur, then while the rate of reaching the bloodstream may vary, the total amount delivered will not. The peptide can’t just vanish.

If the correct answer is #2 as I expect it is, then sources claiming differently may be engaging in bad reasoning such as extrapolating from pharmacokinetic data of for example oil-based steroids and on seeing different rates of release, assuming wrongly that this means that total amount of delivery is different (whether for steroids or for the peptides.)

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DG, unfortunately I really have no expertise in the practical use of these peptides, neither having worked with any athletes at all with them nor having remotely substantial personal experience.

(I did do a brief cycle of IGF-1 LR3 at 50 mcg 2x/day for a short period but financially decided not to continue doing so. It did seem that ability to consume lots of calories without getting fat improved,

Though so far as tape-measure-proveable results there weren’t any, but the time period was short so that is not a knock on the compound. If cost weren’t an issue I’d resume using it.)

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Bill,

Thanks for your take on the assertion below:

(http://www.healthinfotranslations.com/pdfDocs/050688_Ukr_Final_Subcutaneous-Injection-Sites.pdf)

“The stomach, arms, legs and buttocks can be used for injections as shown in the picture. Injections are absorbed best from the stomach, next from the arms, and least well from the legs and buttocks.”

I clearly understand that according to your experience and the science as you know it, that this is NOT the case.

Presented a choice between information gleaned from a random site on the Internet and your educated hypothesis; I’ll go with your knowledge every time.

Thanks for addressing this…

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Dynamo Hum, I only see two possibilities:

  1. An active compound injected at a given site undergoes some metabolic inactivation at the site and therefore some does not reach the bloodstream, with different sites likely being different in this regard. This doesn’t make sense to me with these peptides.

  2. If that doesn’t occur, then while the rate of reaching the bloodstream may vary, the total amount delivered will not. The peptide can’t just vanish.

If the correct answer is #2 as I expect it is, then sources claiming differently may be engaging in bad reasoning such as extrapolating from pharmacokinetic data of for example oil-based steroids and on seeing different rates of release, assuming wrongly that this means that total amount of delivery is different (whether for steroids or for the peptides.)[/quote]

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Your jumping for the drol winni instead of d-bol as your first oral your a bolder man than I.

Any who since ive been peeping at this thread the whole time i felt the need to open my trap.

Thats all,
THE JUDGE

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[quote]judgeroybean wrote:
Your jumping for the drol winni instead of d-bol as your first oral your a bolder man than I.

Any who since ive been peeping at this thread the whole time i felt the need to open my trap.

Thats all,
THE JUDGE[/quote]

lol well technically winny can be considered my first oral although I will be injecting it.

I’m on test prop/tren ace/ winny. (about to start the winny this week)

Might replace the prop a week or so out from my show with some halotestin…then jump back on prop after the show. I have no bloat right now tho so I may not worry about it.

Now the bulker I have planned is between a test/NPP/dbol or high dosed test/adrol/winny cycle. lol

Thats for another time tho.

Next peptides to be ran will most likely be IGF-1 and PegMGF. Then I want to try a Hex/ghrp6 run. I would do the CJC but after I would run the CJC/GHRP at the doses I’d want, I’d be too close to HGH and would rather just drop the extra $ for that.

Anyways thats some theories as of now…lol

Anybody want to share there experience with IGF-1 or PegMGF…or any other peptide for that matter???

DG

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Although this is a very old post i just read it so! I’ve just stoped a test/tren/dbol cycle combined with g6 and hex 400mcg/day and 400mcg g6/day devide in 2 doses i mixd both peptides in the morning 150mcg hex and 150mcg g6 and in the evening i mixed the rest to reach a total 800mcg of both peptides !

My experience was very very benficial i gained 8 kilograms in 9 weeks and lost a derious amount of bodyfat during this time all with vry carefull dieting except my meal after training because thats when i hit the peprides and the appetite went through the roof ! I have been so satisfied by the combination of the peptides that i would go year roung if i hadnt order such small quantity i found the appetite increase from g6 extremely beneficial specialy before my post work out meal i also digested better and had an overall felling of foulness!!

just my opinion

jimo