Dirty Bombs...

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Ren wrote:
JeffR wrote:
renny,

I hope you are right.

I really do.

I don’t have that luxury and have a healthy respect for how easy it would be to produce said weapon.

All it takes is one car/briefcase.

I’m sorry you’ve chosen this stance.

However, there are a lot of people willing to protect you who I believe deserve more respect than you are giving them.

In fact, they are out there right now struggling to make sure you aren’t proven wrong.

Again, saddened by your attitude.

JeffR

WHAT THE FUCK?!? Saddened by my attitude? That I choose not to live my life COWERING like some frail-minded weakling? No fucking offense, but people die every damn day.

How about I ask you some questions:

Do you know what it is like to have to drive to work and worry that if your car windows are down you might get mugged?

Do you know what it is like to BE REQUIRED to have an alarm system, trained guard dog, and 10 foot high fences?

Do you know what it is like to live in a country with the highest murder rate?

Do you know what its like to be from a place where a rape occurs once every 10 minutes?

I’ll tell you what, you are fucking spoiled. And when the bad times come you are happy to cower and be afraid because some worthless politicians told you that you need to be. Because some “terrorists” want to blow your ass up.

BULL-FUCKING-SHIT

And I tell you what genius, its easier for someone to be a bloody unabomber than it is for a terrorist to hit. Why aren’t you shitting your pants every time you open the mail?!? Or maybe that crazy guy down the street is making TNT in his basement, its not that hard and it will more than likely do more damage than some dirty bomb.

The fact is, people like you have no idea what the reality of the situation is. You hang onto the “threat of terrorism” as if it is supposed to happen any day now.

The more I read about “terrorist plots” that the administration has foiled, the less worried I get. These “terrorists” seem more like borderline retards or action movie junkies than anything else, a bunch of hair-brained schemes that didn’t stand a snowflake’s chance in hell of succeeding.

And how the fuck am I not giving respect to American soldiers? Where the hell did I even mention American soldiers? Seriously, stay on topic here, quit bringing random bullshit into the argument that you don’t stand a chance of winning.

Take it from someone who actually knows what it is like to live in a place where violence against you is a very real possibility:

LIVE YOUR LIFE

or cower under a table like a moron if you choose, its a free country after all.[/quote]

Well done. It never ceases to amaze me how the biggest cheerleaders for war are the same ones who are terrified of Al Qaeda, despite all their chest-beating about “WWIII” and bombing Iran.

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[quote]orion wrote:

And what happened in these attacks beside the oh so important symbolics?

Your chances of dying in a terrorist attack went up 0,0000001%.

Scary.
[/quote]

Nice, and try telling that to the families of the people who actually DID die in those attacks.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
orion wrote:

And what happened in these attacks beside the oh so important symbolics?

Your chances of dying in a terrorist attack went up 0,0000001%.

Scary.

Nice, and try telling that to the families of the people who actually DID die in those attacks.[/quote]

So-fucking-what?

You are still more likely to win the lottery than to die in a terrorist attack.

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[quote]gDollars37 wrote:

Well done. It never ceases to amaze me how the biggest cheerleaders for war are the same ones who are terrified of Al Qaeda, despite all their chest-beating about “WWIII” and bombing Iran.[/quote]

I never cower and I’m doing something about it.

You?

Oh, it never ceases to amaze me that the weiners who do the least, criticize the most.

You’d think that the guys who are under the umbrella (doing nothing) would at LEAST have the courtesy of acknowledging the hard work and dedication it takes to thwart threats.

Silly me.

JeffR

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[quote]orion wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
orion wrote:

And what happened in these attacks beside the oh so important symbolics?

Your chances of dying in a terrorist attack went up 0,0000001%.

Scary.

Nice, and try telling that to the families of the people who actually DID die in those attacks.

So-fucking-what?

You are still more likely to win the lottery than to die in a terrorist attack.

[/quote]

You are welcome.

JeffR

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
orion wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
orion wrote:

And what happened in these attacks beside the oh so important symbolics?

Your chances of dying in a terrorist attack went up 0,0000001%.

Scary.

Nice, and try telling that to the families of the people who actually DID die in those attacks.

So-fucking-what?

You are still more likely to win the lottery than to die in a terrorist attack.

You are welcome.

JeffR

[/quote]

You missed the “still” part.

As in, despite all the US efforts to change that, you are still more likely to win the lottery than to die in a terrorist attack.

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[quote]orion wrote:
You missed the “still” part.

As in, despite all the US efforts to change that, you are still more likely to win the lottery than to die in a terrorist attack.

[/quote]

So fucking what? If you think you’re right…

here’s a number for ya:

Pick 3: 001

Pick 4: 0001

Best of luck. Maybe you can increase your odds by mailing it to an Iraqi market near a police station and have them play it for you.

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
orion wrote:
You missed the “still” part.

As in, despite all the US efforts to change that, you are still more likely to win the lottery than to die in a terrorist attack.

So fucking what? If you think you’re right…

here’s a number for ya:

Pick 3: 001

Pick 4: 0001

Best of luck. Maybe you can increase your odds by mailing it to an Iraqi market near a police station and have them play it for you.[/quote]

The point was, if you do not go around worrying about being struck by lightning or would not give up liberties or accept Guantanamo because of it there is no reason to do so because of terrorism.

Even in the US, violent crimes and all, you live in one of the safest societies ever.

Enjoy it!

Unless of course you enjoy paranoia more.

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[quote]orion wrote:
The point was . . .
[/quote]

I understood your point, I was just
making light of the conversation.

Well, what do you suppose we do? Marines died in Lebanon, soldiers died in Somalia, off the coast of Yemen, Saudi Arabia and our African Embassies were bombed…

And we did nothing.

Maybe military force will create more terrorists like some say, but turning tail and running will not stop these bastards either.

Had Ronald Reagan responded more forcefully to the Marine and US embassy bombings in Lebanon…scratch that, had Carter responded with more force to the Hostage Crisis in Iran, maybe the terrorist threat in THE WORLD would not be so great today.

I was never in support of the war in Iraq, so don’t even go there, but we should have fought the war against Afghanistan, the Taliban and al-qaeda mercilessly until they were crushed.

Maybe then the terrorists would know the consequences of their actions in other parts of the world. You realize they are attacking other countries, not just the US, but Iraq, Pakistan, India, China, Philippines, Brazil, Afghanistan, England, Russia, Central Europe, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Jordan, Algeria, and Thailand… did I miss any?

So, what is your take on all of this? You think I’m an alarmist? What do you think the response to terrorism should be? Don’t worry about it? I think something has to be done…

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[quote]Gkhan wrote:
orion wrote:
The point was . . .

I understood your point, I was just
making light of the conversation.

Well, what do you suppose we do? Marines died in Lebanon, soldiers died in Somalia, off the coast of Yemen, Saudi Arabia and our African Embassies were bombed…
[/quote]

There it is, right there.

So soldiers stationed in Muslim countries were bombed?

An excellent reason to station more and more soldiers in Muslim countries?

Yup, since this BS war in terror a lot of people are called terrorist.

It is so damn convenient.

Tchetchens are terrorists, Tibetatians are terrorists and people fighthing in Iraq are most definitely terrorists.

Not so long ago there were Austrian terrorists blowing up stuff in Italy.

It really helped the Italians to see our side of the story so I am having a hard time condemming all terrorism.

Yes, everyone thinks SOMETHING must be done.

I mean swimming pools kill more people, cars kill more people, elictricity kills more people, hopsitals kill more people, but that does not matter because two towers going up in flames makes incredibly good TV.

Stop firing gay Arabic translators for a start and concentrate on police work instead of having high school drop outs harrass you in airports and concentrate on police work.

PS: The thing with the gay translators is such a joke.

EVERYTHING changed on 9-11. We cannot AFFORD all those liberties anymore.

But accept homosexual Arab speaking cryptology experts in the military? - Hell no!

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
However, there are times when ending discussions is better for everyone.

This is one of those times.

JeffR[/quote]

It’s apparently better for you, since none of your arguments make any sense.

Keep being scared shitless and witless. The entertainment value is pretty good.

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Yup, terrorism is right up there as a threat to the American people…

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Something I don’t think Jerffy understands, is that most people have some level of undertanding of what the FBI, CIA and lower profile agencies are doing to protect citizens from terrorists and criminals.

Consider it a vote of confidence Jerffy, although the fact that you say you are somewhat involved in law enforcement is very scary indeed!

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the important thing about dirty bombs is that the particles they admit aren’t particularly powerful. they are stopped by skin or clothing, and the only significant danger is when they manage to enter your body.

if these particles do get inside you, like if they are breathed in, they can cause cells to break down or not properly replicate.

just the high school physics basics.

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I saw that there was a dirty bomb scare in New York over the weekend.

I wonder if pookie sent them a letter stating, “It’s no big deal. Don’t fret. You can just take some iodine pills.”

I’m sure Bloomberg would have been relieved.

Seems like he “mistakenly” took the threat extremely seriously.

I’ll bet he didn’t want to either die outright or have radioactive carcinogens floating around in his body.

Silly man.

JeffR

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
I saw that there was a dirty bomb scare in New York over the weekend.

I wonder if pookie sent them a letter stating, “It’s no big deal. Don’t fret. You can just take some iodine pills.”

I’m sure Bloomberg would have been relieved.

Seems like he “mistakenly” took the threat extremely seriously.

I’ll bet he didn’t want to either die outright or have radioactive carcinogens floating around in his body.

Silly man.

JeffR[/quote]

And what would their reaction have been if it was a regular bomb? Probably the same thing. Nice try though.

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[quote]Ren wrote:
And what would their reaction have been if it was a regular bomb? Probably the same thing. Nice try though.[/quote]

I think you missed the point.

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[quote]Ren wrote:
JeffR wrote:
I saw that there was a dirty bomb scare in New York over the weekend.

I wonder if pookie sent them a letter stating, “It’s no big deal. Don’t fret. You can just take some iodine pills.”

I’m sure Bloomberg would have been relieved.

Seems like he “mistakenly” took the threat extremely seriously.

I’ll bet he didn’t want to either die outright or have radioactive carcinogens floating around in his body.

Silly man.

JeffR

And what would their reaction have been if it was a regular bomb? Probably the same thing. Nice try though.[/quote]

renny,

Totally false.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/08/11/2007-08-11_cops_on_fast_react_after_terror_scare-2.html

Note the sensors, the 50 mile radius being searched, and the extra team.

However, in your world, it’s no big deal.

Give bloomberg a call and tell him to stop “wasting” taxpayers dollars (unless it’s you within that 50 mile radius).

Move along, New York. It’s nothing to worry about. Pop some iodine pills. If you manage to get hit, well, renny has seen worse.

JeffR

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
I saw that there was a dirty bomb scare in New York over the weekend.

I wonder if pookie sent them a letter stating, “It’s no big deal. Don’t fret. You can just take some iodine pills.”[/quote]

Here’s an excerpt from CBS’s report on the scare: ( http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/08/11/eveningnews/main3158899.shtml )

[i]…A dirty bomb, if one were to be set off, might not kill many people, but it would damage the nation’s sense of security.

“Remember it’s not a weapon of mass destruction, its a weapon of disruption,” Larsen said.[/i]

Contrast that with what I originally said (the real quote, not the ones you make up):

(Asked if dirty bombs were WMDs)

[i]In my opinion, no. They’re weapons of terror. They scare a lot of people, but they don’t kill or destroy much.

Quick distribution of iodine pills will go a long way in preventing long term effects such as cancers.[/i]

As much as it might piss you off, distribution of iodine pills is how you deal with the aftermath of a dirty bomb attack. In direct damages, the bomb does no more damages than the same explosives without the radiological material.

Now, any bomb exploding in a city is bad, but contrast a dirty bomb attack with the actual devastation the detonation of a nuclear device with a yield of a even just a kew kilotons would have in Manhattan and you have to be a complete idiot to think that both scenarios are identical.

Silly clown.

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
Note the sensors, the 50 mile radius being searched, and the extra team.[/quote]

Except for the use of sensors to detect radioactive material, how does the response differ from the reponse to a standard truck bomb alert? Oh, right. It doesn’t.