Diet Soda - Bad For Development?

Nutrition
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Thanks K-Lifter, some very good info here. I will follow up on your statements and do some additional research. If even half you say is true, I may have to seriously consider giving it up. I feel a diet pepsi headache coming on from just reading this post! Haha, no seriously, I appreciate you taking the time to respond.
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[quote]k_lifter wrote:
My father worked for the UK government when aspartame was a new thing, and he said that it wasn’t properly checked or tested before being passed as an ok additive to put into drinks/food. And told me to stay well clear of it. This, if I remember rightly, was in the 80’s when he told me, before much was known about it. So I took his word for it and stayed well clear.

Your incredible Ronald Reagan forced it through unchecked as it was a cheap sugar alternative and someone in his government, at that time, owned the company that produced it. It’s used in alot of drinks/foods in the US and UK (especially diet drinks), and is only now being taken seriously, as it’s a dangerous chemical. The UK government is now thinking of banning it, as it causes brain cancer and other forms of brain issues.

Do you know there is about 15000 chemicals that your food producers put into your food, that they legally don’t have to put on the labels - It was passed as legilation, that, they don’t have tell you what it is (madness).

http://www.dorway.com/badnews.html

http://www.picklenetwork.com/aspartame-dangers/

It’s amazing how these guys (FDA) are supposed to be serving you, and keeping you safe. But when it comes to money - fuck the public. It makes you wonder is there anything else they are keeping from everyone ala - 15000 supposedly safe chems (are they all safe).

Just check the label on your next can of Diet Pepsi and it should say - aspartame on the can. If it does, i’d advise to throw it away. When I hear people say “I drank a litre of diet pepsi every day for a couple of years”, it makes me wonder what the hell has happened to their brain, as alot of these chemicals get absorbed into fat, and as it happens your brain is 80% (about) fat, so your brain has alot of these weird chemicals kicking about it. Some of these chems are known to cause depression, cancers, haziness, memory issues, personality disorders etc etc. And although these chems are in small amounts, they have an accumalitive affect.

I really don’t want to scare anyone, but, I’d rather know than be ignorant. If you don’t beleave me do some research on the food and pharma laws passed by your government and read what some of the chems are used for (dodgy as fuck).

My advise - stay as natural as possible, and don’t drink/eat cheap sugary drinks/food.

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[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Thanks for the feedback consumer. I appreciate your comments.
How is the work out coming along we discussed over PM a few weeks ago?
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Actually , it’s going AWESOME. My arms are growing! I basically attribute it to all the extra compound movements i’m doing and coupling that with doing antagonist exercises.

I don’t really superset anymore, but my strength especially armstrength, has been increasing ever since i was at that plataeu since we had that talk.

thank you again dude, i will give you measurements in a couple months.

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Try reading some of this stuff.

http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:WT7y01W6tzYJ:www.321recipes.com/aspartame.html+aspartame+dangers+IQ&hl=en&gl=uk&ct=clnk&cd=1&ie=UTF-8

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[quote]MODOK wrote:
k_lifter wrote:
The system makes me laugh…

In 1991, the FDA banned the importation of stevia. The powder of this leaf has been used for hundreds of years as an alternative sweetener. It is used widely in Japan with no adverse effects. Scientists involved in reviewing stevia have declared it to be safe for human consumption–something that has been well known in many parts of the world where it is not banned. Some people believe that stevia was banned to keep the product from taking hold in the United States and cutting into sales of aspartame.(26)

Do you know the reason for it not being allowed? it’s because it’s a natural source and can’t be patented (sp?), meaning - no profits. That’s why huge pharma companies don’t research natural cures, because there’s no money in it.

My saying is: if man made it, don’t eat. I know it’s hard, but eat as natural as pos. all the time. And if you can afford it, eat organic.

Stevia, banned in the USA? I better go throw my bottle of it away then…

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FDA ATTACK ON STEVIA

Around 1987, FDA inspectors began visiting herb companies who were
selling stevia, telling them to stop using it because it is an
“unapproved food additive”. By mid 1990 several companies had been
visited. In one case FDA’s inspector reportedly told a company
president they were trying to get people to stop using stevia “because
Nutra Sweet complained to FDA.” The Herb Research Foundation(HRF),
which has extensive scientific files on stevia, became concerned and
filed a Freedom of Information Act request with FDA for information
about contacts between Nutra Sweet and FDA about stevia. It took over
a year to get any information from the FDA, but the identity of the
company who prompted the FDA action was masked by the agency.

In May, 1991 FDA acted by imposing an import alert on stevia to
prevent it from being imported into the US. They also began formally
warning companies to stop using the “illegal” herb.
By the beginning of 1991, the American Herbal Products Association
(AHPA) was working to defend stevia. At their general meeting at
Natural Products Expo West, members of the industry pledged most of
the needed funds to support work to convince FDA of the safety of
stevia. AHPA contracted HRF to produce a professional review of the
stevia literature. The review was conducted by Doug Kinghorn, PhD.,
one of the world’s leading authorities on stevia and other natural
non-nutritive sweeteners. Dr. Kinghorn’s report was peer-reviewed by
several other plant safety experts and concluded that historical and
current common use of stevia, and the scientific evidence all support
the safety of this plant for use in foods. Based on this report, and
other evidence, AHPA filed a petition with FDA in late October asking
FDA’s “acquiescence and concurrence” that stevia leaf is exempt from
food additive regulations and can be used in foods.

FDA, apparently attempting to regulate this herb as they would a new
food additive, contends that there is inadequate evidence to approve
stevia. However, because of its use in Japan, there is much more
scientific evidence of stevia’s safety than for most foods and
additives. The extent of evidence FDA is demanding for the approval
of stevia, far exceeds that which has been required to approve even
new synthetic food chemicals like aspartame (Nutra Sweet).

AHPA’s petition points out that FDA’s food additive laws were meant to
protect consumers from synthetic chemicals added to food. FDA is
trying, in the case of stevia to claim that stevia is the same as a
chemical food additive. But as the AHPA petition points out,
Congress did not intend food additive legislation to regulate natural
constituents of food itself. In fact, Congressman Delaney said in
1956, “There is hardly a food sold in the market today which has not
had some chemicals used on or in it at some stage in its production,
processing, packaging, transportation or storage.” He stressed that
his proposed bill was to assure the safety of “new chemicals that are
being used in our daily food supply,” and when asked if the
regulations would apply to whole foods, he replied “No, to food
chemicals only.” AHPA contends that stevia is a food, which is
already recognized as safe because of its long history of food use.
Foods which have a long history of safe use are exempted by law from
the extensive laboratory tests required of new food chemicals. The
AHPA petition, however, supports the safe use of stevia with both the
historical record, and references to the numerous toxicology studies
conducted during the approval process in Japan, and studies by
interested researchers in other countries.

To date, the FDA still refuses to allow stevia to be sold in the U.S.
but the recently-enacted Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act
of 1994 may prevent the FDA from treating stevia and other natural
herbs as “food additives.”

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[quote]MODOK wrote:
k_lifter wrote:
The system makes me laugh…

In 1991, the FDA banned the importation of stevia. The powder of this leaf has been used for hundreds of years as an alternative sweetener. It is used widely in Japan with no adverse effects. Scientists involved in reviewing stevia have declared it to be safe for human consumption–something that has been well known in many parts of the world where it is not banned. Some people believe that stevia was banned to keep the product from taking hold in the United States and cutting into sales of aspartame.(26)

Do you know the reason for it not being allowed? it’s because it’s a natural source and can’t be patented (sp?), meaning - no profits. That’s why huge pharma companies don’t research natural cures, because there’s no money in it.

My saying is: if man made it, don’t eat. I know it’s hard, but eat as natural as pos. all the time. And if you can afford it, eat organic.

Stevia, banned in the USA? I better go throw my bottle of it away then…

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To save you reading all that, it can be sold as a food but not an additive.

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caffination (sp?) does dehydrate you, and in the quantities some of the diet sodas have, it’s not detrimental, but is isn’t really desirable. flavored waters are a good way to kick the soda habit, but also fruit juices. get the most natural you can, though. many of the juice companies market juices high in “high fructose corn syrup” and all that does is give you a temporary rush, and then it settles around your body as adipose tissue if it is not used.

basically, alot of the juices out there are nothing but flavored sugar-water.
teas are also a good alternative. they do contain caffiene as well, but not in the quantities of many sodas.

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No worries, good work bro. Keep it up and keep that nutrition up to par – i.e. no diet pepsi :slight_smile:

[quote]consumer wrote:
Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Thanks for the feedback consumer. I appreciate your comments.
How is the work out coming along we discussed over PM a few weeks ago?
A

Actually , it’s going AWESOME. My arms are growing! I basically attribute it to all the extra compound movements i’m doing and coupling that with doing antagonist exercises.

I don’t really superset anymore, but my strength especially armstrength, has been increasing ever since i was at that plataeu since we had that talk.

thank you again dude, i will give you measurements in a couple months.[/quote]

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[quote]k_lifter wrote:
My father worked for the UK government when aspartame was a new thing, and he said that it wasn’t properly checked or tested before being passed as an ok additive to put into drinks/food. And told me to stay well clear of it. This, if I remember rightly, was in the 80’s when he told me, before much was known about it. So I took his word for it and stayed well clear.

Your incredible Ronald Reagan forced it through unchecked as it was a cheap sugar alternative and someone in his government, at that time, owned the company that produced it. It’s used in alot of drinks/foods in the US and UK (especially diet drinks), and is only now being taken seriously, as it’s a dangerous chemical. The UK government is now thinking of banning it, as it causes brain cancer and other forms of brain issues.

Do you know there is about 15000 chemicals that your food producers put into your food, that they legally don’t have to put on the labels - It was passed as legilation, that, they don’t have tell you what it is (madness).

http://www.dorway.com/badnews.html

http://www.picklenetwork.com/aspartame-dangers/

It’s amazing how these guys (FDA) are supposed to be serving you, and keeping you safe. But when it comes to money - fuck the public. It makes you wonder is there anything else they are keeping from everyone ala - 15000 supposedly safe chems (are they all safe).

Just check the label on your next can of Diet Pepsi and it should say - aspartame on the can. If it does, i’d advise to throw it away. When I hear people say “I drank a litre of diet pepsi every day for a couple of years”, it makes me wonder what the hell has happened to their brain, as alot of these chemicals get absorbed into fat, and as it happens your brain is 80% (about) fat, so your brain has alot of these weird chemicals kicking about it. Some of these chems are known to cause depression, cancers, haziness, memory issues, personality disorders etc etc. And although these chems are in small amounts, they have an accumalitive affect.

I really don’t want to scare anyone, but, I’d rather know than be ignorant. If you don’t beleave me do some research on the food and pharma laws passed by your government and read what some of the chems are used for (dodgy as fuck).

My advise - stay as natural as possible, and don’t drink/eat cheap sugary drinks/food.

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I’ve known about this myself,for years.
They can list anything under “artificial flavors” too.
They putting chemicals in food to make people eat more because,by law,they HAVE TO increase profits.Obese people eating more food= more money for them.
Thats why I make sure most of what i eat is organic.What you pay in medical bills in the future will be a lot more than a 36 cent increase on something like organic milk.

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[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
k_lifter wrote:
My father worked for the UK government when aspartame was a new thing, and he said that it wasn’t properly checked or tested before being passed as an ok additive to put into drinks/food. And told me to stay well clear of it. This, if I remember rightly, was in the 80’s when he told me, before much was known about it. So I took his word for it and stayed well clear.

Your incredible Ronald Reagan forced it through unchecked as it was a cheap sugar alternative and someone in his government, at that time, owned the company that produced it. It’s used in alot of drinks/foods in the US and UK (especially diet drinks), and is only now being taken seriously, as it’s a dangerous chemical. The UK government is now thinking of banning it, as it causes brain cancer and other forms of brain issues.

Do you know there is about 15000 chemicals that your food producers put into your food, that they legally don’t have to put on the labels - It was passed as legilation, that, they don’t have tell you what it is (madness).

http://www.dorway.com/badnews.html

http://www.picklenetwork.com/aspartame-dangers/

It’s amazing how these guys (FDA) are supposed to be serving you, and keeping you safe. But when it comes to money - fuck the public. It makes you wonder is there anything else they are keeping from everyone ala - 15000 supposedly safe chems (are they all safe).

Just check the label on your next can of Diet Pepsi and it should say - aspartame on the can. If it does, i’d advise to throw it away. When I hear people say “I drank a litre of diet pepsi every day for a couple of years”, it makes me wonder what the hell has happened to their brain, as alot of these chemicals get absorbed into fat, and as it happens your brain is 80% (about) fat, so your brain has alot of these weird chemicals kicking about it. Some of these chems are known to cause depression, cancers, haziness, memory issues, personality disorders etc etc. And although these chems are in small amounts, they have an accumalitive affect.

I really don’t want to scare anyone, but, I’d rather know than be ignorant. If you don’t beleave me do some research on the food and pharma laws passed by your government and read what some of the chems are used for (dodgy as fuck).

My advise - stay as natural as possible, and don’t drink/eat cheap sugary drinks/food.

http://www.mercola.com/article/aspartame/hidden_dangers.htm

I’ve known about this myself,for years.
They can list anything under “artificial flavors” too.
They putting chemicals in food to make people eat more because,by law,they HAVE TO increase profits.Obese people eating more food= more money for them.
Thats why I make sure most of what I eat is organic.What you pay in medical bills in the future will be a lot more than a 36 cent increase on something like organic milk.[/quote]

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[quote]Moriarty wrote:
For whatever reason I just cannot get really lean while drinking diet soda. I’ve cut for summer so many times now that I’ve really got my methods nailed down and my body composition changes are very predictable. One summer I thought I would add diet pepsi in just to break up the monotony of dieting by being able to taste something sweet. I was not able to get lean until I dropped the diet pepsi.[/quote]

v’e heard it said that aspartame can inhibit fat loss in some people.perhaps this was the problem?

Has no one mentioned the fact diet soda usually containts caffine and the effect of spiking that all day long on insulin by drinking more than a can or two of the stuff a day?

Switch to the caffine free version IMHO.

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[quote]Cthulhu wrote:
k_lifter wrote:
My father worked for the UK government when aspartame was a new thing, and he said that it wasn’t properly checked or tested before being passed as an ok additive to put into drinks/food. And told me to stay well clear of it. This, if I remember rightly, was in the 80’s when he told me, before much was known about it. So I took his word for it and stayed well clear.

Your incredible Ronald Reagan forced it through unchecked as it was a cheap sugar alternative and someone in his government, at that time, owned the company that produced it. It’s used in alot of drinks/foods in the US and UK (especially diet drinks), and is only now being taken seriously, as it’s a dangerous chemical. The UK government is now thinking of banning it, as it causes brain cancer and other forms of brain issues.

Do you know there is about 15000 chemicals that your food producers put into your food, that they legally don’t have to put on the labels - It was passed as legilation, that, they don’t have tell you what it is (madness).

http://www.dorway.com/badnews.html

http://www.picklenetwork.com/aspartame-dangers/

It’s amazing how these guys (FDA) are supposed to be serving you, and keeping you safe. But when it comes to money - fuck the public. It makes you wonder is there anything else they are keeping from everyone ala - 15000 supposedly safe chems (are they all safe).

Just check the label on your next can of Diet Pepsi and it should say - aspartame on the can. If it does, i’d advise to throw it away. When I hear people say “I drank a litre of diet pepsi every day for a couple of years”, it makes me wonder what the hell has happened to their brain, as alot of these chemicals get absorbed into fat, and as it happens your brain is 80% (about) fat, so your brain has alot of these weird chemicals kicking about it. Some of these chems are known to cause depression, cancers, haziness, memory issues, personality disorders etc etc. And although these chems are in small amounts, they have an accumalitive affect.

I really don’t want to scare anyone, but, I’d rather know than be ignorant. If you don’t beleave me do some research on the food and pharma laws passed by your government and read what some of the chems are used for (dodgy as fuck).

My advise - stay as natural as possible, and don’t drink/eat cheap sugary drinks/food.

http://www.mercola.com/article/aspartame/hidden_dangers.htm

I’ve known about this myself,for years.
They can list anything under “artificial flavors” too.
They putting chemicals in food to make people eat more because,by law,they HAVE TO increase profits.Obese people eating more food= more money for them.
Thats why I make sure most of what i eat is organic.What you pay in medical bills in the future will be a lot more than a 36 cent increase on something like organic milk.[/quote]

Also anything with hydrogenated oil in it is bad news (big time), it’s worst that saturated fat, causes cancers and heart problems.

http://www.recoverymedicine.com/hydrogenated_oils.htm

This stuff is like 10 times worst for you than saturated fats (and omega-6 (if I remember correctly)). and again you find it in cheap foods.

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Thanks for the great feedback everyone. I did well yesterday (only one can) but I already fell of the wagon today… haha. But on a serious note after doing more research on the information provided in your posts, I have decided to cut back my intake by 50% and keep the rest of my diet exactly as is. I figure that if I try this for about a 4-6 week period, I should be able to draw some conclusions about whether I should refrain from drinking it all together. Any thoughts?

AA

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[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Thanks for the great feedback everyone. I did well yesterday (only one can) but I already fell of the wagon today… haha. But on a serious note after doing more research on the information provided in your posts, I have decided to cut back my intake by 50% and keep the rest of my diet exactly as is. I figure that if I try this for about a 4-6 week period, I should be able to draw some conclusions about whether I should refrain from drinking it all together. Any thoughts?

AA[/quote]

Are you addicted? I couldn’t imagine being addicted to a soft sugar free drink [cocaine maybe]. Personally, I’d rather drink the sugary shit than the sugar free stuff. But well done on taking the first steps. I can’t really talk I drink alot of tea, everyone has there downfalls. But if I were you i’d just cut it out all together.

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If you make a switch, make sure it’s to water and not to juice; I think JB and Cy Wilson consider it to be worthless.

Also, as someone mentioned, the acid in soda isn’t great for you. If your body didn’t neutralize the acid with basic substances it would take about 50L of water to dilute 1L of soda to an appopropriate pH. Chances are if you’re eating enough vegatables this isn’t a huge problem, but something to consider.

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I do not think I am addicted but then again, I have not really tried to stop drinking it either so I guess I dont know. I would like to think it is a mind over matter thing for me when it comes to this stuff. My take is that I eat clean pretty much all the time so I am “allowed” to have something like diet soda if it makes me feel better about eating the same shit day in and day out. But like I stated before, I am always looking to improve my physique so before I decide to cut out my one pleasure out of my diet, I wanted to know if there were any proven negative health issues contributed to the drinking of diet soda. Does that make sense?

[quote]k_lifter wrote:
Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Thanks for the great feedback everyone. I did well yesterday (only one can) but I already fell of the wagon today… haha. But on a serious note after doing more research on the information provided in your posts, I have decided to cut back my intake by 50% and keep the rest of my diet exactly as is. I figure that if I try this for about a 4-6 week period, I should be able to draw some conclusions about whether I should refrain from drinking it all together. Any thoughts?

AA

Are you addicted? I couldn’t imagine being addicted to a soft sugar free drink [cocaine maybe]. Personally, I’d rather drink the sugary shit than the sugar free stuff. But well done on taking the first steps. I can’t really talk I drink alot of tea, everyone has there downfalls. But if I were you i’d just cut it out all together.
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Thanks Andy, you make a good point.

[quote]andy bumphren wrote:
If you make a switch, make sure it’s to water and not to juice; I think JB and Cy Wilson consider it to be worthless.

Also, as someone mentioned, the acid in soda isn’t great for you. If your body didn’t neutralize the acid with basic substances it would take about 50L of water to dilute 1L of soda to an appopropriate pH. Chances are if you’re eating enough vegatables this isn’t a huge problem, but something to consider.[/quote]

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AA - I’d like to see how a 50% affects you, so keep this thread alive. I drink a decent amount of diet soda and was thinking of cutting down as well, you can be a test case for the rest of us. Haha thanks.

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Sure thing. But when I picked the screen name “Amsterdam Animal”, a guinea pig is not exactly the kinda animal I had in mind…

[quote]JKThreeEleven17 wrote:
AA - I’d like to see how a 50% affects you, so keep this thread alive. I drink a decent amount of diet soda and was thinking of cutting down as well, you can be a test case for the rest of us. Haha thanks.[/quote]

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All you have to do to render any soda safe is mix it with Jack Daniels.

Ive been drinking alot of coffee lately rather then soda’s so i know how you feel… 7-8 coffees in an afternoon.

When i was dieting though i was loving a mix of ice cold water with a splash of lime juice. I experimented with varoius teas, frape (iced pineapple and mint), etc… you can cut down alot of calories and acid by using a splash of juice with anything, even add some artificial sweetner. I think you could even get away with whole sugar if you just used a small spoon. Try it! you might be surprised how tasty some of it can be and you have the added benefit of weening yourself of it.

But it just go with dilution with jack.

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Ok an update on my attempts to cut down my diet soda consumption by 50%. I had to postpone this, my folks are in town from Amsterdam so I have not made all my training sessions last week and this week.

My diet has also been all over the place. Since I want to keep the factors as consistent as possible I decided to hold off till next week when I am back in full training mode to start cutting the consumption.

I did cut down on a few days and got the anticipated headache. I will update in a couple of weeks. And yes, I will keep up my diet pepsi intake in the mean time…dahum…

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