Good for you, Chen. Of nearly a hundred posts, only one was apolitical, and nearly all inflammatory. If I didn’t know better, I’d think you were just a persistent troll.
And I’d be right.
DI
Here is why gay marriage should not be allowed:
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If gay marriage is allowed, then we might as well make brother/sister marriage allowed, man/dog marriage allowed, etc. If we allow anyone to get married, we will have no moral stand on marriage. It will be completely out of hand.
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In the bible, its a sin to be a homosexual and to get married “under God” in a church would be considered blasphemy.
I am not against gays at all. I think they are equal and if two men or two men want a civil union, I’m fine with that. If they want to get married, then they should NOT do it in a church or under the name of God (or, not be allowed at all). There is no church that is for gay marriage.
Why are we even discussing gay marriage any more? It’s in the bible that these people are blasphemous and should not be considered equal in any sense. We need to get to the real issue of interracial marriage (segregation is in the bible). This is the next logical step, so lets stop pretending that we don’t know where it’s all leading. We also know that the man is the head of the household, again in the bible. So let’s get back to the good ol’ days when men had all the rights. Finally, it goes without saying that anyone who is not a christian (ie heathens) should have no rights, so here’s “The Final Solution”: Marriage should be restricted to white christian males!
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PK4LIf
[quote]Traceur wrote:
Why are we even discussing gay marriage any more? It’s in the bible that these people are blasphemous and should not be considered equal in any sense. We need to get to the real issue of interracial marriage (segregation is in the bible). This is the next logical step, so lets stop pretending that we don’t know where it’s all leading. We also know that the man is the head of the household, again in the bible. So let’s get back to the good ol’ days when men had all the rights. Finally, it goes without saying that anyone who is not a christian (ie heathens) should have no rights, so here’s “The Final Solution”: Marriage should be restricted to white christian males!
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PK4LIf[/quote]
Mind pointing out where all of that is in the Bible? I have read the book and can’t honestly see where you have gotten the above information.
Thank you,
Zeb
Actually I can think of at least 1 church that supports gays. I live in Boston and the Arlington Street Church which was built in 1744 has meetings specifically designed to get gays to meet each other in a singles night kind of fashion. This is a Unitarian Universalist Church.
Although you’re somewhat right about the scientific evidence part, you’re also partly wrong. In reading my psychology textbook, “Personal Growth and Behavior,” there is talks about the nature vs. nurture argument here. A quote- “Gay men are more likely to have older brothers than either gay women or heterosexual men. It may be that a first male fetus triggers an immune reaction in the mother, altering the expression of key gender genes.” They also theorize that people may be born with the potential and then it happens to be activated by certain life events. This is similar to the way that severly abused girls will reach puberty faster than they would normally.
And by the way…if you can find a single shred of “scientific” evidence that God even exists, I just might crap my pants. But that still doesnt stop you from believing, does it?
Matgic- Your little college textbook has an interesting theory, maybe.
The complexity of the creation argues very persuasively for a Creator. Yes. strictly speaking, God cannot be proved to exist. But then again, neither can the theory of evolution by proved with the scientific method. Creationism fits the facts much better.
Bob423 and KnightRt-
I’m not afraid to be honest, your right. I don’t believe there is a T-Man out there, on his first exposure to 2 men French-kissing, wasn’t disgusted by it. That is the natural reaction. If you want to let the media brainwash you, help yourself.
Homosexuality has always been considered outside the scope of normal behavior. Only in recent decades has the media been able to change this.
Do I feel threatened by homos, not at all. Merely disgusted by their unnatural sex habits. Please don’t blab on about hating them etc. I don’t hate gays, just like I don’t hate drug addicts.
By the way, isn’t the homo group still the highest risk group for AIDS?
Mr. Chen, no one can challenge your inpenetrable Biblical circular logic. You know, technically even gravity is a theory. So if you don’t believe in it do you think you might float away? Exactly how does creationism fit the facts better? Which facts are you talking about?
An aside, Baruch Spinoza, an excommunicated jewish scholar/philosopher actually “proved” the existance of God, using Euclidean Geometry. Of course, he didn’t “anthropomorphize” god as most religions do (that means “to assign human traits” for those who don’t already know).
They say that 75% of homosexuals were born that way…
The other 25% were sucked into it.
hee hee!
Seriously though. I have known dozens of gay people throughout my life, and most of them knew at 5 or 6. They didn’t know how to interpret their feelings until they were older, but when they did they realized that they have known all along. Only a couple of them said that they may not have turned out that way if they hadn’t been sexually abused as children (not to suggest that everyone who is molested turns out gay either).
The presumptuousness of some of you is simply arrogant. Everyone must be as pious as you or they are subject to your harsh judgements? Was that how you were taught to be? Didn’t Jesus say something along the lines of “let he who is without sin cast the first stone”? A lot of you are hurling stones, so I assume that you are perfect. Aren’t you lucky.
I don’t think anyone is arguing that a church must condone or conduct these marriages. I think that the big question is whether or not gays should be allowed equal treatment under the law to form a legal civil union. The church doesn’t have to recognize them unless it is within the beliefs of that brand of religion to do so, and they most certainly should not be forced. The comparison to people who want to marry dogs is not valid, as it does not include to consenting adults. And as to the comparison to marry more than one woman? Well, the Bible didn’t seem to have a problem with it. Dang! Why did that little biblical law have to change! Those Mormons got one thing right.
Yes, the first time I saw to guys kissing, I was a little bit uncomfotable.
I bet that the first time you saw a guy and a girl kissing or even holding hands for a matter completely disgusted you as a kid. Any young kid that I know writhes in disgust every time there is an “intimate” scene in a movie. It does not mean that these acts are unnatural. Or maybe it does because we shouldnt engage in sex unless we are planning to have a child or something like that according to the bible, right?
[quote]Chen wrote:
Do I feel threatened by homos, not at all. Merely disgusted by their unnatural sex habits. [/quote]
Chen: stop watching then. Maybe if you quit peaking in the bedroom window it wouldn’t bother you so much what other people are doing. There are things that you and Dild O’Reilly do with vibrators that I would likely be “disgusted” by, but I certainly don’t dwell on it.
Actually no… African American women and Hispanic women are both getting HIV at a much higher rate than gay men. You know, people who are as hung up on insulting gay acts as much as you usually have some latent tendencies. What are you trying to overcompensate for?
And media hasn’t made homosexuality a mainstream thing. Not a single gay person I know would wish their preference on anyone. I hate to break it to you, but homosexuality has been around a loooong time! In fact, the church has been a haven for repressed gay men since time immemorial. The only difference in our current society is that we aspire to “tolerate” individuals for their differences, and there is generally more openness. That clearly has not influenced you to accept others. Instead you would rather castigate anyone different than you.
Nope,I didn’t vote against gay marriage.Why should straight people be the only group allowed to suffer!!
[quote]basher wrote:
Nope,I didn’t vote against gay marriage.Why should straight people be the only group allowed to suffer!![/quote]
HA! No kidding! Have you heard about the three rings of marriage?
The engagement ring…
The wedding ring…
And the SUFFERING!!!
[quote]Mr. Chen wrote:
Bob423 and KnightRt-
I’m not afraid to be honest, your right. I don’t believe there is a T-Man out there, on his first exposure to 2 men French-kissing, wasn’t disgusted by it. That is the natural reaction. If you want to let the media brainwash you, help yourself.[/quote]
If everyday from the day you were born until you graduated high school you saw two men kissing would you be repulsed? This is learned behavior not “natural”.
Actually only in recent centuries had homosexuality been denounced. The Greeks and early Romans had no qualms about homosexuality, it was widely practiced and not considered outside the scope of normal behavior.
Just a couple of examples…
The Bible and Racial Segregation: http://www.cdlreport.com/sermon3.htm
The Bible and Women: Yahoo | Mail, Weather, Search, Politics, News, Finance, Sports & Videos
[quote]ZEB wrote:
Mind pointing out where all of that is in the Bible? I have read the book and can’t honestly see where you have gotten the above information.
Thank you,
Zeb
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Well, It wasn’t on the ballot but here is my view (hopefully more articulated than other political posts of mine):
In the eyes of our government,since we have separation of church and state, marriage is nothing more than a legal contract binding two people. Thus Gay’s should be allowed the same right of union.
Now if you have a problem with gay people being married, under god (not in the legal contract sense), do not fret because chances are your church, or the church that marries you, will not marry gay people.
Thus the sanctity of marriage will be protected by your church and does not need protection from the state.
I will not even wander into the discriminatory issues involved.
[quote]Matgic wrote:
I bet that the first time you saw a guy and a girl kissing or even holding hands for a matter completely disgusted you as a kid.[/quote]
Actually, it wasn’t that bad.
I think your exaggarating a little.
[quote]tme wrote:
Chen: stop watching then. [/quote]
Don’t watch them. Have no interest in it.
[quote]Roy Batty wrote:
Exactly how does creationism fit the facts better? Which facts are you talking about? [/quote]
Roy- You truly are uneducated. Go to the following page and pick your article. There are reams of evidence for this:
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The presumptuousness of some of you is simply arrogant. Everyone must be as pious as you or they are subject to your harsh judgements? [/quote]
You’re getting shrill again Roy. I have taken care of homo AIDS patients in the hospital, including putting in catheters for them. Didn’t bother me at all. Have done the same thing for overdose patients. My opinion of their behavior, including whether or not I think it’s moral, doesn’t enter into it.
I would say your intolerance of my opinion is also rather harsh.
Your liberal arrogance is really getting tiring.