Did The Cops Search Me Illegally??

[quote]slimjim wrote:
Less than 99 plants in Hawaii used to constitute a misdemeanor offense, however, they recently redistributed the penalties to:
25-50 felony up to 5 yrs, 10,000 dollar fine

50-100 felony up to 10 yrs, 25,000 dollar fine

100 or more up to 20 yrs, 50,000 dollar fine

These penalties seem a bit stiff to me, but if you’re growing more than 20 plants you’re probably distributing and I can’t see that being a good thing either…but you should check out the laws in your state and get a decent lawyer, most cases you can plead and get a lighter sentence, especially for a first offense.[/quote]

This is not true oh uninformed one because I use 30 plants on a square meter. Why ? To make them flower as soon as possible and to save time.

If I invested more time I would get the same results with only one plant if I cut it down correctly.

With my method, “sea of green”, I need a lot of plants . That yields approximately 500-600g each run.

If I took the same 30 plants and used 30 lamps instead of one and took more time I could easily yield 10 kg.

To use the number of plants to figure out what someone was doing is stupid. If you have to make laws like this use the number of High Pressure Sodium lamps someone posesses to determine his intent.

Idiots.

I apreciate and respect your opinion ther are no absolutes by I have personally seen cases similar to this and the judge ruled in favor of the intering the house not based solely on the previous phone calls but the combination of events the final detemining factor was the last call and why the call was made as well as how this complainant was acting many victoms of domestic situations recant when the police arrive and very often the police enter the home as domestic dispute are among the most dangerous there duty at that time is to see it to it conclusion. Having said that none of us know much more than what that guy told us and again lets not forget he was breaking the law had called 911 twice for foolishness at that. This leads me and you I’m sure to beleive this guy is either know by the local PD for causing problems or I suppose this could be a quiet street where ther is never any problems (allthough I beleive the former) and this multiple 911 call alerted them even more. But it is not unsuasual or unheard of for dispath to notify patrol of earlier calls to the house and depending oon the time frame the same patrol often responds and are not usualy happy. While I agree if he gets a Paid Attorney they can and will argue a motion for illegal search you would be surprised in situations like this that resonable suspicion that something else mayvery well be going on or that public safety is at risk the Officers are given quite a bit of lattitude. Given the situation I see no vilolation of rights.

[quote]nephorm wrote:
twistedsteel wrote:
You should probably start saying you are sorry to your parents too. They will most likely lose the house.

One of the most disgusting aspects of the “war on drugs.”[/quote]

Agreed.

Heres my experience with an illegal search and seizure. I fronted a guy a bag so that he could break it up, sell some, pay me back, and have a headbag. Well, he did the last part right. So I collected on him by going down to his favorite bar, dragging him out and stomping his face in. This was a mistake in a number of ways, especially the witnesses that knew me personaly. The cops came to arrest me at my house, for the beating. On the way out the door though, they grabbed my jacket off of the couch and searched it, finding a few quarters and a bowl. The reason that the charges were dismissed was that the arrest was for assault, and the jacket containing the drugs was not on my person. Had I been wearing it, it would have been a clean bust.

On the other hand…
Sounds like you are flat out busted.
They talked you in to giving it up. Besides, you have no idea at this point what other information they have on you.

Get the best damned attorney you can find. Make payments, sell blood, what ever it takes, just get a good one.

That and an industrial sized bottle of astro-glide.

[quote]belligerent wrote:
40 plants is nothing. Commercial grow operations typically involve hundreds or thousands of plants. 40 is a botany experiment.[/quote]

Growing weed for any reason is a federal offense! The quantity of plants will decide the duration of a sentence.

This whole situation sounds like a crim law exam, and I am far removed from crim law.

This is going to be very fact specific – was there probable cause for the police to enter your house, based on the call or whether they somehow saw your brother; did you “consent;” if so, was your stuff in plain sight, etc. Go speak to a lawyer as soon as you can.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
This whole situation sounds like a crim law exam, and I am far removed from crim law.

This is going to be very fact specific – was there probable cause for the police to enter your house, based on the call or whether they somehow saw your brother; did you “consent;” if so, was your stuff in plain sight, etc. Go speak to a lawyer as soon as you can. [/quote]

Shit, why? He has already had full, deep and intimate conversations with the arresting officers. Hell, they may know more about him than his mother.

There seems to be some real long paragraphs here telling you your chances. I would like to simplify for you, as your attention span probibly isn’ that great:

Have LOTS of money and a great lawyer: you should be alright.

have little to no money for a lawyer? you are S-O-L.

You should’ve voted Libertarian.

Anyone who grows 40 plants of mary jane automatically doesn’t access the cops for anything. 911 is not a number that your phone can dial. Police is no longer a word in your vocabulary.

Sorry mate, I haven’t done criminal law yet and I live in Australia anyway so it would be different.

Have fun and let us know what the lawyer says.

[quote]orion wrote:
slimjim wrote:
Less than 99 plants in Hawaii used to constitute a misdemeanor offense, however, they recently redistributed the penalties to:
25-50 felony up to 5 yrs, 10,000 dollar fine

50-100 felony up to 10 yrs, 25,000 dollar fine

100 or more up to 20 yrs, 50,000 dollar fine

These penalties seem a bit stiff to me, but if you’re growing more than 20 plants you’re probably distributing and I can’t see that being a good thing either…but you should check out the laws in your state and get a decent lawyer, most cases you can plead and get a lighter sentence, especially for a first offense.

This is not true oh uninformed one because I use 30 plants on a square meter. Why ? To make them flower as soon as possible and to save time.

If I invested more time I would get the same results with only one plant if I cut it down correctly.

With my method, “sea of green”, I need a lot of plants . That yields approximately 500-600g each run.

If I took the same 30 plants and used 30 lamps instead of one and took more time I could easily yield 10 kg.

To use the number of plants to figure out what someone was doing is stupid. If you have to make laws like this use the number of High Pressure Sodium lamps someone posesses to determine his intent.

Idiots. [/quote]

My bad genius, but in hawaii a lot of the growing is done outdoors with long season plants(the 9 to 14 footers) which yield a hell of a lot more than the same amount of short season plants you are using, I guess with your example, someone with 10,000 outdoor plants would get less time than someone using heat lamps for 30 or 40 plants…and I’m the idiot fucknuts.

This story seems like a good plot line for “America’s dumbest criminals”

[quote]KBCThird wrote:
HOWEVER, your point about speeding makes me think of this: Near where I live, theres a highway, 3 lanes in each direction, long straightaways away from any residences and a THIRTY MILE PER HOUR speed limit. If you “choose” to speed (as opposed to getting run off the road) and you get caught, I think you have a perfectly valid complaint: a completely illogical and arbitrary speed limit.
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You know why they do that, right? Statistically, people routinely drive 10-15 miles over the speed limit. If the speed limit is ridiculously low, people who are prone to speed will still be driving at a decently safe speed for the area, even when speeding. If the speed limit was more realistic, people would be going too fast for the area.

[quote]slimjim wrote:

My bad genius, but in hawaii a lot of the growing is done outdoors with long season plants(the 9 to 14 footers) which yield a hell of a lot more than the same amount of short season plants you are using, I guess with your example, someone with 10,000 outdoor plants would get less time than someone using heat lamps for 30 or 40 plants…and I’m the idiot fucknuts.[/quote]

ooops, by idiot I didn?t mean you.

[quote]orion wrote:
slimjim wrote:

My bad genius, but in hawaii a lot of the growing is done outdoors with long season plants(the 9 to 14 footers) which yield a hell of a lot more than the same amount of short season plants you are using, I guess with your example, someone with 10,000 outdoor plants would get less time than someone using heat lamps for 30 or 40 plants…and I’m the idiot fucknuts.

ooops, by idiot I didn?t mean you.
[/quote]

Oh sorry man, I probably need to relax…it’s all the weed making me paranoid

[quote]sic wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
HOWEVER, your point about speeding makes me think of this: Near where I live, theres a highway, 3 lanes in each direction, long straightaways away from any residences and a THIRTY MILE PER HOUR speed limit. If you “choose” to speed (as opposed to getting run off the road) and you get caught, I think you have a perfectly valid complaint: a completely illogical and arbitrary speed limit.

You know why they do that, right? Statistically, people routinely drive 10-15 miles over the speed limit. If the speed limit is ridiculously low, people who are prone to speed will still be driving at a decently safe speed for the area, even when speeding. If the speed limit was more realistic, people would be going too fast for the area.[/quote]

That doesnt make it morally right to give speeding tickets to people who “will still be driving at a decently safe speed for the area, even when speeding.”

[quote]orion wrote:

With my method, “sea of green”, I need a lot of plants . That yields approximately 500-600g each run.
[/quote]

Ah, the “sea of green”. Good times.

I think a lot more criminals would be better off if they actually LISTENED to their miranda rights as they are getting handcuffed.

[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
This whole situation sounds like a crim law exam, and I am far removed from crim law.

This is going to be very fact specific – was there probable cause for the police to enter your house, based on the call or whether they somehow saw your brother; did you “consent;” if so, was your stuff in plain sight, etc. Go speak to a lawyer as soon as you can. [/quote]

I can’t agree enough. You need to spend less time asking random people on the forums about the legality of all of this and more time focusing on getting an attorney pronto. No one on these forums who is an attorney is going to comment directly and with detail on the legality of your situation (unless they are totally nuts and want to open the lovely Pandora’s box of creating anything that resembles an attorney/client relationship).

In addition… did it never occur to you that the police might actually find these postings of yours on here? Is that what you really want?

[quote]illegalsearch wrote:
T-Nation: I find myself in a legal bind tonight after getting out of jail a few hours ago. On Saturday I was arrested for growing marijuana in my home, and I think that I may have been searched illegally. I know that I need to talk to a lawyer, but I won’t be able to do so until I can get some money (proably a week), and I am anxious to get opinions on this. So, here is my story:

I share a house with my brother, who has a problem with hard drugs and has been totally off the wall lately. The other night we got in a fight that ended with him stealing my wallet and fleeing the house on foot, and I subsequently called the cops on him. I stress that I had NO intention of letting the cops into the house; I simply wanted them to pick up my brother and recover my wallet.

So I called 911 from my cellular phone and reported that my brother had stolen my wallet and run off on foot.
I told the dispatcher that I didn’t know where my brother had gone, but I was very clear that he was no longer at the residence. During the call, the dispatcher asked me if I had called 911 earlier in the day and reported that my brother had struck me. I confirmed that I had done so, but clarified that I had cancelled the call and that no police intervention was necessary.

After making the call, I walked roughly 50-100 meters up the street as to meet the police away from the house. Between the time that I called 911 and the time that police arrived, my brother returned to the house. When he arrived, I stayed up the street as to meet the police and keep them from coming to the house.

Shortly thereafter, approximately five Sheriffs units pulled up to my location. I stuck to my original story and told them that my brother had stolen my wallet and fled the house. I did NOT tell them that he had returned to the house. I wanted to keep them from entering the house for obvious reasons.

After taking note of my complaint, the deputies started walking toward my house. I asked what they were doing, and one of the deputies replied, “We need to see what’s going on inside the house.” I told them that there was no need to enter the house because nobody was there. I asked the deputies if they were sure that they had to enter the house, and they insisted that they did have to do so. They did not ask for my permission to enter the house, and they neither informed me that they needed permission to enter nor that I had the right to refuse them entry. They simply stated that they had to enter the house and proceeded to do so without permission.

As we approached the house, one of the officers who had been to the house before pointed at two windows and asked which room was mine and which was my brother’s. I told them that the room on the left was mine, and the room on the right belonged to my brother.

When we entered the house, the deputies immediately went upstairs and entered my bedroom. I told them that the room was mine, that my brother wasn’t in there, and that they didn’t need to enter that room. The deputies insisted that they had to “sweep” the premises, even though they had not done so downstairs. They yelled
“SHERIFF’S DEPARTMENT!” as they moved from my room to the adjacent bathroom, and from the bathroom to the spare room which housed 40 cannabis plants. OH SHIT, I thought to myself.

A minute later the deputies placed me under arrest and read me my Miranda right. At this point they informed me that I could either sign consent for the police to search or that I could refuse to do so and force the deputies to call the judge for a warrant. They told me that if I refused, they would simply stay at the house until they obtained the warrant, which they assured me that the judge would issue. I told them that I didn’t know what to do, because I wanted to be cooperative, but I didn’t want to sign my life away. The deputies told me that I was going down either way, and advised me that my cooperation might "score points? in court. One of the deputies also emphasized that that my parents (who own the house, but do not live there) could bear responsibility in the situation. He told me that, because marijuana was growing in their house, that my parents could be arrested and their house could be seized. He did not explicitly threaten to arrest my parents if I didn’t sign consent, but I felt that this was the underlying implication. I felt that he was telling me that my parents would be less likely to face penalties if I signed. So I decided to sign consent to search.

After signing, I answered all of the deputies’ questions at the scene: I told them that I had purchased seeds on the internet, that I obtained my growing equipment from the a particular hydroponics shop, that I had been growing for approximately 2-3 months, and that I had sought growing information from www.overgrow.com, among other information. I took full responsibility for the grow operation and admitted to everything on the spot.

It would seem that the cops have my nuts stapled to the wall. But, while reflecting on the events in jail, I realized that their entry into my house may have been unlawful, though I am not sure. They didn’t have a search warrant, and they didn’t have consent to enter. They may have had some kind of probable cause on the grounds that I called the police from my house, but that is questionable given that I reported that my brother had fled the house on foot. Another factor complicating the situation is that, unbeknownst to me at the time, my brother had a bench warrant out for missing a court date. This would allow them to arrest him, but I’m not sure that it would allow them to search a residence for him, particularly one that he doesn’t own. This would be equivalent to searching a third party (my parents), which I would think would be illegal.

And, if I am right that their entry was illegal, then they only gained my consent to search as a result of prior misconduct, and my signature might be considered “fruit of the poisonous tree”. If so, then the case should be thrown out.

My questions are:

  1. Was the cops’ entry illegal due to the fact that they neither had a search warrant nor consent to enter?

  2. Does the bench warrant give them the right to search my house without consent?

  3. If the entry was illegal, is my consent to search negated??

Do I have a chance to beat this??

I fully expect to get flamed for all the stupid things I did leading my arrest: calling the cops on my brother (please don’t take this at face value, you don’t understand the situation with him), calling the cops to a house in which I was growin pot, and signing consent to search. all I can say in my defense is that it was a very emotional situation, it happend very fast, and I didn’t know how to handle the cops. I didn’t even know that I had a right to refuse them entry into my house. So lets just pretend that I already feel stupid enough, and that there’s no need to expound on it.[/quote]

  1. You are an idiot.
  2. Cop a plea, you are screwed.
  3. You are on the wrong site.