Did Noahs Arc Really Happen

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]BBriere wrote:

[quote]haney1 wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

More sarcasim right? I get it that is pretty funny.[/quote]

You’re terrible at this.

Let’s end this by simply stating that I will never believe what you believe, and you likewise. You will NOT refute the arguments set forth in that text because you CANNOT. And that my dear friends, is the crux of the division among believers and non-believers. [/quote]

There’s nothing to refute. It’s made up shit, and done very poorly. His premises are wrong, hell it’s not even an argument. It’s just a mess of shit he finds wrong with Christianity. Things ain’t the way he thinks they ought to be, big fucking deal.

That’s all he argued is that Christianity isn’t set up the way he thinks it should have been done and therefore it is false. There are so many logical fallacies in there it’s uncountable. his biggest problem is he does not understand the subject matter.
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You obviously did not read it. He pointed out numerous problems with the gospels, contradictions, etc. and so forth. They are hardly invented arguments. They are hardly even original. You sir, are an idiot.
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Here you go:

More elitist dick for you to suck.[/quote]

You have to love the burden of proof Brian Holtz requires to believe in Jesus.

"Any god could trivially inscribe or authenticate its revealed message through supernatural patterns (in cosmological or quantum phenomena) or ongoing miracles (such as prophecy or communication with a spirit world).

I also describe the two kinds of evidence that would have to surface for the divinity of Jesus to be believable:
Textual discoveries that Jesus did not believe in the literal truth of the entire Old Testament, and that the unjust Christian notion of eternal damnation is a misunderstanding.
Compelling corroboration of New Testament miracles through physical artifacts (e.g. the Shroud of Turin) or historical records (e.g. of the three-hour darkness on Good Friday). "

http://humanknowledge.net/Philosophy/Metaphysics/Theology/MyConversion.htm

I am surprised He didn’t ask that Jesus beat him at a game of hopscotch too.
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I liked the other one that asked why Jesus didn’t perform grand miracles like making a mountain or something. Sorry Jesus wasn’t more to your liking last time. Maybe when he comes back he can live up to your expectations.[/quote]

Oh he has some other gems as well like He complains about how Christians call him arrogant

"Christian apologists also tend to label me “arrogant”, but I’ve never succeeding in coaxing one to substantiate that charge in any way, let alone explain how I could rephrase the substance of my arguments in a way that they wouldn’t (arbitrarily) call “arrogant”. If I’m confident that my worldview can be and has been successfully defended, then I’m only “arrogant” if that confidence is unjustified, or is used to intimidate or insult someone.

I shouldn’t be considered “arrogant” simply because my confidence in my worldview is greater – or more justified – than is someone else’s confidence in his own worldview. "

Then he goes onto later say that even if the Christian God does exist he is ethically superior to Him

"Mistake? What if I’m wrong, and one or more gods exist? In particular, what if the gods reward and punish humans based on policies significantly different from my humanistic principles? What if they then allow me to horribly suffer – or at least to have horrible regrets – because I did not believe in some revelation about them?

In that case, I can only hope that the gods will not have also interfered with my ability to remember and reason, so that I will at least be able reaffirm to myself my current belief that I am ethically superior to any being that would see me horribly suffer just for my sincere and prima facie reasonable beliefs".

So first he says I am not arrogant about my worlview because I can succefully defend it, then he says he would be arrogant if his was confidence is unjustified. With an ending paragraph where he considers if he is wrong that basically says He is still superior to God and his punishments if they do exist.

Basically once he finds out his position is wrong, it doesn’t matter because he is still more ethical than the Christian God. Yeah, no arrogance there.

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You’re cherry picking and eating around the edges. I do notice you’re not eating at the gospels and other meat. I knew you and your buddies were vegetarians. LOL

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
You’re cherry picking and eating around the edges. I do notice you’re not eating at the gospels and other meat. I knew you and your buddies were vegetarians. LOL[/quote]

That’s because it’s all edges…There’s no depth to that stupidity. Aside from the fact he hardly broke any new ground.
It’s the same old shit “God doesn’t act like I think he should therefore he must not exist.” Jesus didn’t give me a Bentley when I prayed for one so he must be a fraud.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
You’re cherry picking and eating around the edges. I do notice you’re not eating at the gospels and other meat. I knew you and your buddies were vegetarians. LOL[/quote]

That’s because it’s all edges…There’s no depth to that stupidity. Aside from the fact he hardly broke any new ground.
It’s the same old shit “God doesn’t act like I think he should therefore he must not exist.” Jesus didn’t give me a Bentley when I prayed for one so he must be a fraud.[/quote]

Keep eating lettuce rabbit. Let me know when you want to eat at the Gospels and other meat. at around the edges. You’re weak. Really weak.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
You’re cherry picking and eating around the edges. I do notice you’re not eating at the gospels and other meat. I knew you and your buddies were vegetarians. LOL[/quote]

That’s because it’s all edges…There’s no depth to that stupidity. Aside from the fact he hardly broke any new ground.
It’s the same old shit “God doesn’t act like I think he should therefore he must not exist.” Jesus didn’t give me a Bentley when I prayed for one so he must be a fraud.[/quote]

is he still going on about his “website” challenge? If so, I had already responded with a complete “website” rebuttal. Unless he’s got something new, it ain’t worth the effort.

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
You’re cherry picking and eating around the edges. I do notice you’re not eating at the gospels and other meat. I knew you and your buddies were vegetarians. LOL[/quote]

That’s because it’s all edges…There’s no depth to that stupidity. Aside from the fact he hardly broke any new ground.
It’s the same old shit “God doesn’t act like I think he should therefore he must not exist.” Jesus didn’t give me a Bentley when I prayed for one so he must be a fraud.[/quote]

is he still going on about his “website” challenge? If so, I had already responded with a complete “website” rebuttal. Unless he’s got something new, it ain’t worth the effort.[/quote]

your so called rebuttal is impossible to follow and the format is terrible. i’m genuinely interested in reading it but it’s a cluster fuck. write to your guy and encourage him to submit his rebuttal in a sensible format. easy.

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[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]IrishSteel wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
You’re cherry picking and eating around the edges. I do notice you’re not eating at the gospels and other meat. I knew you and your buddies were vegetarians. LOL[/quote]

That’s because it’s all edges…There’s no depth to that stupidity. Aside from the fact he hardly broke any new ground.
It’s the same old shit “God doesn’t act like I think he should therefore he must not exist.” Jesus didn’t give me a Bentley when I prayed for one so he must be a fraud.[/quote]

is he still going on about his “website” challenge? If so, I had already responded with a complete “website” rebuttal. Unless he’s got something new, it ain’t worth the effort.[/quote]

your so called rebuttal is impossible to follow and the format is terrible. i’m genuinely interested in reading it but it’s a cluster fuck. write to your guy and encourage him to submit his rebuttal in a sensible format. easy.[/quote]

LOL - yeah - it’s a bit scrambled - I took the time and he did eventually make it through every point. Figured it was fair payback for having to read your guy’s nonsense - lol, but to be honest I’d rather participate in an actual discussion rather than “argument by website” anyway.

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And before I lose you on that point - I mean, I want to hear what your thoughts and ideas are - If I wanted to discuss whatshisface’s views with him I would - but if you’re on here,

you are an unique individual with your own take on things and it is always more rewarding to discuss mano-y-mano with another human being rather than talking to a parrot who can only spout someone else’s words and concepts . . .

Be all the you you can be!

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Here. Anybody can find a website proving what they want to prove. I’ve made no real point, just posted a website. Now I’m a religious scholar as well.

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[quote]IrishSteel wrote:
And before I lose you on that point - I mean, I want to hear what your thoughts and ideas are - If I wanted to discuss whatshisface’s views with him I would - but if you’re on here,

you are an unique individual with your own take on things and it is always more rewarding to discuss mano-y-mano with another human being rather than talking to a parrot who can only spout someone else’s words and concepts . . .

Be all the you you can be![/quote]

That is what I was hoping for as well. I really was curious what thoughts he had on the issues.
Since he seemed reasonable in his exchange with pat. I am not interesting in converting him or anyone for that matter, but I am always interested peoples ideas and thoughts. I am especially interested since I am really only lurking due to time.

So think of this as my seconding Irishsteels appeal for your thoughts on things.

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You both continue to eat away at leaves…what I think or what you think is irrelevant. You have a need to argue something; I have no need or use for it. No one here is a scholar in any of the required areas. The reference is not “my guy”, and that’s a nice bit of misdirection, but it’s weak.

The point is, I find many of his core arguments compelling and I’ve always been troubled by the inconsistencies, the authenticity, problems with translations, forgeries, etc., contained within the bible. “My guy” as you put it, has not expressed any unique or original ideas on the problems with the gospels and the bible in general.

All that I believe as it concerns the bible, has already been expressed before by some scholar. Many of those criticisms were outlined or touched upon by the supplied reference. You’re finding fault with his editorializing but you’re not going anywhere near the accepted problems with the bible - because you cannot.

At the end of the day, I find the age old criticisms compelling. End of story. Wake me up when there is something new. This is all old hat.

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[quote]t1bur0n92 wrote:
Okay

Here goes.

Remember the David and Goliath story?
I don’t think that happened in this Earth Realm due to the Dhyana teachings of all of the Buddhas/highly cultivated Enlightened Teachers. David was a small guy and Goliath was a big guy. This stuff has similarities with the Zues story and his Titan father. I’m assuming that Zues was a Deva/Proud God and his father was an Asura/Titan/Jealous God. BTW…a God or Saint is something very different from the Creator.

Also, Odin “gave up an eye for Wisdom”…he broke the cycle of something (and I don’t think that it was “suffering”)…teachings on cultivation lose clarity when translated from from one language to another. Odin (an Arhat) was something a hell of a lot higher than a Deva or an Asura.

It is best to ignore a lot of the cultivation teachings (Vedas/Yoga, Kaball(sp?), Daoism, even some of the Buddhist type stuff. Teachings got distorted over the hundreds and thousands of years. I’m not going to practice something as ridiculous as “mindfulness” of butthole just to add years or maybe days to my life.

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I’m the same poster as this person.

BTW, I’m an athiest/antithiest too for a good reason,
The bosom of God and the Lazarus story deal with Lazarus (Varuna?)
being released from the red/purple dress by Jesus. The dress
is what “made” God. The dress is power stolen or borrowed.

The flood may not have happened on this planet. Look at
Varuna’s water weapon (may not have originated with Varuna/Poseidon)
and look at Neptune.

“The kingdom of God will not come by expection.”

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[quote]okeydokey wrote:

[quote]t1bur0n92 wrote:
Okay

Here goes.

Remember the David and Goliath story?
I don’t think that happened in this Earth Realm due to the Dhyana teachings of all of the Buddhas/highly cultivated Enlightened Teachers. David was a small guy and Goliath was a big guy. This stuff has similarities with the Zues story and his Titan father. I’m assuming that Zues was a Deva/Proud God and his father was an Asura/Titan/Jealous God. BTW…a God or Saint is something very different from the Creator.

Also, Odin “gave up an eye for Wisdom”…he broke the cycle of something (and I don’t think that it was “suffering”)…teachings on cultivation lose clarity when translated from from one language to another. Odin (an Arhat) was something a hell of a lot higher than a Deva or an Asura.

It is best to ignore a lot of the cultivation teachings (Vedas/Yoga, Kaball(sp?), Daoism, even some of the Buddhist type stuff. Teachings got distorted over the hundreds and thousands of years. I’m not going to practice something as ridiculous as “mindfulness” of butthole just to add years or maybe days to my life.

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I’m the same poster as this person.

BTW, I’m an athiest/antithiest too for a good reason,
The bosom of God and the Lazarus story deal with Lazarus (Varuna?)
being released from the red/purple dress by Jesus. The dress
is what “made” God. The dress is power stolen or borrowed.

The flood may not have happened on this planet. Look at
Varuna’s water weapon (may not have originated with Varuna/Poseidon)
and look at Neptune.

“The kingdom of God will not come by expection.”
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What?