[quote]Mattlebee wrote:
So no-one else thought it was weird that he got into bed with his Mum at the end?[/quote]
very weird. i think what she meant to say was “you remind me of your dad apart from the extra 100lbs of muscle, plus you dont drink and im a control freak bitch”
[quote]Mattlebee wrote:
So no-one else thought it was weird that he got into bed with his Mum at the end?[/quote]
Weird? Hell, it was to be expected, that final nail in the coffin.
In some parts I could see myself in that movie.
If he was more articulate, he could have explained that he doesn´t want to be seen as all muscle and there is more to him.
He could have had some fun with those ladies.
He looks like Scot Abel
[quote]Captain Zero wrote:
sad shit,(tear runs down face), people always get weirded out when you decline a beer or a drink, staring at you like a prick or snob, lol[/quote]
It does sound pretty snobbish to say “I don’t drink.” It puts you on another level, makes you come off as a braggart who is beyond such trivial addictions. When I don’t want to drink I say no thanks, or I don’t feel like it, or not today.
In my experience the ones that broadcast “I don’t drink.” are again in no time. They’re trying to convince themself not the other person.
People put pressure on the "I dont drink"ERS because they’re trying to imply they are better than the offerer. So everyone else tries to bring the non-drinker down to their level. I don’t feel like it makes it seem situational rather than moral and is way less likely to put people’s backs up.
[quote]MementoMori wrote:
[quote]Captain Zero wrote:
sad shit,(tear runs down face), people always get weirded out when you decline a beer or a drink, staring at you like a prick or snob, lol[/quote]
It does sound pretty snobbish to say “I don’t drink.” It puts you on another level, makes you come off as a braggart who is beyond such trivial addictions. When I don’t want to drink I say no thanks, or I don’t feel like it, or not today.
In my experience the ones that broadcast “I don’t drink.” are again in no time. They’re trying to convince themself not the other person.
People put pressure on the "I dont drink"ERS because they’re trying to imply they are better than the offerer. So everyone else tries to bring the non-drinker down to their level. I don’t feel like it makes it seem situational rather than moral and is way less likely to put people’s backs up.[/quote]
I think there is truth in your statement, but it all depends on the crowd. I rarely drink (2-4 times per year), and in some cases I would agree that saying that comes off as snobbish, but I think in those cases I am usually surrounded by more average people of my age or younger. If I am amongst a more mature crowd, my not drinking is usually seen as a sign of strength or inner power, even if I don’t consider it to be such. I think your spot on though that most try to bring others down to their level, whether it is drinking or something else, and the truly admirable thing is being able to stay steady on your own path, and let the words of others go by the wayside.
[quote]Captain Zero wrote:
“I don’t drink” post[/quote]
Not sure I quite agree with the post. Some people don’t drink for other reasons, such as an alcoholic parent, or being a recovering alcoholic themselves. I always say something on the order of “No thanks” versus “I don’t drink” for the reasons you outline. But I really don’t think that people who don’t drink hold practice the holier than thou mindset. Maybe that’s just me.
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
[quote]Captain Zero wrote:
“I don’t drink” post[/quote]
Not sure I quite agree with the post. Some people don’t drink for other reasons, such as an alcoholic parent, or being a recovering alcoholic themselves. I always say something on the order of “No thanks” versus “I don’t drink” for the reasons you outline. But I really don’t think that people who don’t drink hold practice the holier than thou mindset. Maybe that’s just me.[/quote]
Part of what I’m saying though is that the people who actually do not drink don’t need to TELL people about it. From my experience I hear “I don’t drink” more often from people who drink than from people who are recovering alcoholics. Someone who used to abuse alcohol doesn’t wear that like a badge or convince other people that its behind them, it just is.
I think I used to have a problem with alcohol so I have cut back drastically. I work in a bar so I obviously have lots of opportunities to drink. I’ve found situational statements are alot less loaded and believable. I never tell people I don’t drink and I’m almost never bothered about it, even by people I used to drink 4 times a week with. “I’m trying to cut back” creates empathy. “I don’t drink” creates fear, hostility and aggression.
[quote]MementoMori wrote:
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
[quote]Captain Zero wrote:
“I don’t drink” post[/quote]
Not sure I quite agree with the post. Some people don’t drink for other reasons, such as an alcoholic parent, or being a recovering alcoholic themselves. I always say something on the order of “No thanks” versus “I don’t drink” for the reasons you outline. But I really don’t think that people who don’t drink hold practice the holier than thou mindset. Maybe that’s just me.[/quote]
Part of what I’m saying though is that the people who actually do not drink don’t need to TELL people about it. From my experience I hear “I don’t drink” more often from people who drink than from people who are recovering alcoholics. Someone who used to abuse alcohol doesn’t wear that like a badge or convince other people that its behind them, it just is.
I think I used to have a problem with alcohol so I have cut back drastically. I work in a bar so I obviously have lots of opportunities to drink. I’ve found situational statements are alot less loaded and believable. I never tell people I don’t drink and I’m almost never bothered about it, even by people I used to drink 4 times a week with. “I’m trying to cut back” creates empathy. “I don’t drink” creates fear, hostility and aggression.[/quote]
You need to change your perspective then. I used to say “I don’t drink” and it wasn’t because of some problem with alcohol. I just don’t like alcohol overall. I may get a drink every now and then or I may get one with out with a group just to hold onto, but I’ve never been one of those people who gets drunk every weekend.
And, YES, I had to tell people because they kept shoving drinks in my face otherwise…or they would go off on some extreme tangent asking questions about why I’m not drinking.
It is no different than someone handing you a slice of cake when dieting. What are you going to say? Do you really think you can get away with “not having to say it”?
Some people may have to say something like that if others won’t quit aggressively pursuing WHY they don’t drink as if someone can’t just avoid alcohol if they want to.
People who drink seem to be the ones with the issues. They seem to be unable to deal with someone in their midst who isn’t drinking along with it…so they keep antagonizing and questioning as if it is beyond belief that someone would go out and not drink.
Because of that behavior, I just grab a drink now. I may or may not finish it, but it keeps me from being harassed about it.
I’ll say “I don’t drink” just because it is less of a hassle. At most they’ll ask why, I give them an answer, and they move on. Whenever I say “no thank you” it usually turns into a night long game of people repeatedly offering me drinks or coaxing me into a drink. This game continues until it reaches that awkward moment were I have to use my serious voice in order for them to understand I don’t want a drink.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]MementoMori wrote:
[quote]njrusmc wrote:
[quote]Captain Zero wrote:
“I don’t drink” post[/quote]
Not sure I quite agree with the post. Some people don’t drink for other reasons, such as an alcoholic parent, or being a recovering alcoholic themselves. I always say something on the order of “No thanks” versus “I don’t drink” for the reasons you outline. But I really don’t think that people who don’t drink hold practice the holier than thou mindset. Maybe that’s just me.[/quote]
Part of what I’m saying though is that the people who actually do not drink don’t need to TELL people about it. From my experience I hear “I don’t drink” more often from people who drink than from people who are recovering alcoholics. Someone who used to abuse alcohol doesn’t wear that like a badge or convince other people that its behind them, it just is.
I think I used to have a problem with alcohol so I have cut back drastically. I work in a bar so I obviously have lots of opportunities to drink. I’ve found situational statements are alot less loaded and believable. I never tell people I don’t drink and I’m almost never bothered about it, even by people I used to drink 4 times a week with. “I’m trying to cut back” creates empathy. “I don’t drink” creates fear, hostility and aggression.[/quote]
You need to change your perspective then. I used to say “I don’t drink” and it wasn’t because of some problem with alcohol. I just don’t like alcohol overall. I may get a drink every now and then or I may get one with out with a group just to hold onto, but I’ve never been one of those people who gets drunk every weekend.
And, YES, I had to tell people because they kept shoving drinks in my face otherwise…or they would go off on some extreme tangent asking questions about why I’m not drinking.
It is no different than someone handing you a slice of cake when dieting. What are you going to say? Do you really think you can get away with “not having to say it”?
Some people may have to say something like that if others won’t quit aggressively pursuing WHY they don’t drink as if someone can’t just avoid alcohol if they want to.
People who drink seem to be the ones with the issues. They seem to be unable to deal with someone in their midst who isn’t drinking along with it…so they keep antagonizing and questioning as if it is beyond belief that someone would go out and not drink.
Because of that behavior, I just grab a drink now. I may or may not finish it, but it keeps me from being harassed about it.[/quote]
Change my perspective in what regard? I no longer regularily abuse alcohol and no one questions me on it when I turn them down. Seems to have worked out relatively well. I’m just saying in my experience the people who say they don’t drink find themselves defending their decision more than the people who turn down THAT drink. You may be different, but as I said the people who profess “I dont drink” drink more often than the people who don’t drink without bragging about it.
Dennis aka Kim Kold was great in that short film. I’ve related in the awkward situations in that video such as being at a party and declining beer but they say no you have to and it kinda pisses you off because you just don’t wanna drink, even if you aren’t doing it for bodybuilding you still just are not a drinker they push you and practically make you. Also the girl bit where they make him flex and shit. I utterly hate when people ask me that. I find it awkward, I know I’m shy and everything but I just find it very weird and kind of like a show animal for others and I don’t like that.
and too SickAbz, not everybody lifts for attention and chicks like you do. I lift for personal gratification, to push myself on a daily basis, to feel like I accomplished something day to day. It keeps me sane and stable to go to the gym. I am not looking to be put on display. I don’t mind if people admire but it get’s weird when they put you in awkward situations do flex or what not.
a couples things.
first of all the guy who played dennis did an awesome job. really liked the way he portrayed the character.
The mom is a psychotic bitch with severe issues.
He is HUGE, damn impressive.
The whole no alcohol thing seems to stem from an abusive father, I’m only 19 so I cant legally drink but when asked to join in with friends whether its alcohol or drugs…weed w/e. I always tell them i dont drink… I do when I feel comfortable with the situation like if im at a family christmas party ill have a beer but I have no desire to get shit faced or develop alcoholism… which is an issue in my family. I find its easier to say I dont drink because it sends a clear message that you cant be convinced…if you say maybe next time they may try to fight you on it but general in my case they drop it. I find the more you hold to valued moral standards the more people (when not shit faced or high) value your ability to say no and even if they dont try to do it themselves they do respect it.
how about…
“i refuse your offering, you fucking miscreant”
i really hate when people are like you dont drink? go ahead drink? i dont need alcohol to have a fun time, i dont need to do drugs. as a person who takes their training seriously its always been a pet peeve. ill have a beer every now and then but i havent gotten drunk in years.
as for the movie, kinda messed up. i felt bad for him, that brown haired chick was hot, and his mom is def crazy. he looked awesome though
If that were real Id feel real sorry for him. You have one half of the gym goers that just want to lift to look good for the bitches, then theres the other half that do it for better things than to just get laid.
That being said, just because you dont want to be some Guido, doesnt mean you cant be social. I like to party and have fun, I enjoy flirting with girls that all say I have huge muscles. I dont become an idiot and get stupid with alcohol every weekend. I drank enough 2 weeks ago to sustain me for 6 months at least.
I train for personal glory and to be remembered for how strong I was, not for how much pussy I can get.
Did you guys read the comments on the youtube? Calling him a pussy and only picking up on the ending as disturbing? Way to miss the fucking point. Idiots.
[quote]Captain Zero wrote:
sad shit,(tear runs down face), people always get weirded out when you decline a beer or a drink, staring at you like a prick or snob, lol[/quote]
THATS HOW IT IS!!! Aw man I know this feeling so well. Just turned down a free beer tonight…got called gay. I’m maybe an 8th the size of Dennis but somehow I kinda feel the same way. I mean, sorta sad because Dennis just wanted to go on a date but all he is seen as is ‘that big lump’ or the guy with the muscles. This movie was pretty far to the one end of the extreme.
damn this movie was actually good but because of the negative responses I’ve seen on this thread it doesnt seem like such a good idea to throw this on my facebook wall (where I always throw stuff so I can find it later when I’m not at home). Yeah it was weird but like Totenkopf said “way to miss the fucking point”.
Sad.