Dems Refuse Fox Debate

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
You mean like when Sean says, “God Bless America!” or “Remember to vote!” Yes, those are not intelligent…those things are just plain evil.

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That is exactly what makes FOX news shit–too much editorializing. I’ve never heard these words come out of a serious journalist’s mouth.

Its not the news medias job to “belss America” or remind people to vote. Just report the freakin’ news and shut the hell up when you are done. This applies to all News.

Keep up the spin. You honestly must believe we are stupid enough to fall for your line of reasoning.

[quote]Beowolf wrote:
PGJ wrote:
Give me a break. I’m tired of the “Whatever President Bush says is crap” attitude. Do you guys really believe CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, NYT, Wash Post, and other news sites are completely fair and unbiased? Hell no! Fox doesn’t robotically bash the President for every move he makes (his last State of the Union speech, the traditional media was bashing him BEFORE he spoke and criticizing him for what they THOUGHT he was going to say). Come on. Unlike other news source, they show the man a little respect AND they respect the troops. The troops love Fox, and Hannity, and Ollie, and O’Reiley…

How can anyone say Fox is crap. It consistently kicks CNN’s ass. I’m guessing a lot more than 28% of the people who support the President are watching Fox.

Who mentioned Bush?

And who the hell asked the troops what news they watch? Most of them are poor, and I’m gonna go ahead and guess they didn’t do much news watching in high school.

Oh, and appealing to the majority is a fallacy.

NYT and Washington Post are respectable papers that run unbiased articles. Their editorials are biased, but they’re supposed to be. As well, they print plenty of the “other” sides argument in the Op Ed. Print media is staying strong, while the TV news deteriorates into crap, even as paper loses its popularity (though the internet may save it).

Its not about NOT bashing the President, it’s about how FOX uses sensationalist tactics to scare people into watching their channel. As well, it’s level of analysis is usually shallow, if there is any at all.

O’Reilly doesn’t let his interviewees get a real word in edge-wise, Hannity makes absolutely ridiculous arguments (like how escort girls might just be used for the “lonely”, because people elected by thousands are oh so lonely) (and Colmes shouldn’t even be on the show), and the whole News segment is 90% filler “Can refrigerators kill your children?” kind of crap.

CNN isn’t that much better. And it has worse entertainment.

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Did you really just say all that? Damn, that’s off the charts, even for you. In case you didn’t know, I am one of those poor, dumb military guys. In the military, we call what you just did “showing your ass”.

NYT and Wash Post unbiased? Man, pass the bong, dude.

That has got to be one of your most rediculous posts ever in so many ways.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
You mean like when Sean says, “God Bless America!” or “Remember to vote!” Yes, those are not intelligent…those things are just plain evil.

That is exactly what makes FOX news shit–too much editorializing. I’ve never heard these words come out of a serious journalist’s mouth.

Its not the news medias job to “belss America” or remind people to vote. Just report the freakin’ news and shut the hell up when you are done. This applies to all News.

Keep up the spin. You honestly must believe we are stupid enough to fall for your line of reasoning.[/quote]

Saying “God Bless America” and “Remember to vote” is spin? You are fucking twisted. Hannity IS NOT a reporter or journalist, stupid. He’s a television/radio host and political analyst.

That’s one of the reasons I like Fox, because they aren’t affraid to be patriotic and say “God bless”. That’s why they are kicking every other news channels ass.

[quote]PGJ wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
You mean like when Sean says, “God Bless America!” or “Remember to vote!” Yes, those are not intelligent…those things are just plain evil.

That is exactly what makes FOX news shit–too much editorializing. I’ve never heard these words come out of a serious journalist’s mouth.

Its not the news medias job to “belss America” or remind people to vote. Just report the freakin’ news and shut the hell up when you are done. This applies to all News.

Keep up the spin. You honestly must believe we are stupid enough to fall for your line of reasoning.

Saying “God Bless America” and “Remember to vote” is spin? You are fucking twisted. Hannity IS NOT a reporter or journalist, stupid. He’s a television/radio host and political analyst.

That’s one of the reasons I like Fox, because they aren’t affraid to be patriotic and say “God bless”. That’s why they are kicking every other news channels ass.

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There is positively, absolutely nothing wrong with saying “God Bless America.” If you are offended by it maybe you should sit down and deal with your religious insecurities. If you say they are forcing religion down your throat, well, that’s just bullshit and you know it. Oh yeah, did I mention I am in no way religious?

Also, nothing wrong with telling people to vote. More people should be saying that, apathy is a plague in this country.

Not an attack on anyone personally, but those are weak examples to use when attacking Fox news. If you wanted one, talk about how they fabricate bullshit (Obama’s school in Indonesia), and then refuse to acknowledge that they butchered the story.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
Beowolf wrote:

Fox News = Shit. I’ve never heard a truly intelligent thing come out of Sean Hannity’s mouth.

You mean like when Sean says, “God Bless America!” or “Remember to vote!” Yes, those are not intelligent…those things are just plain evil.

I’d love to be one of your English teachers. Guess your grade.

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We’ve been over the grammar thing before, HH, and if I recall, you misused “it’s”. And I’ve got a 97 in English thank you very much. It’s the internet, get over it and be happy im nawt tawkin leik thees.

And right here is an example of what your beloved Ann does, taking obvious hyperbole as literal word.

Sean Hannity isn’t evil. Just a spin doctor who takes the ultra conservative side of every argument, and then doesn’t assess the argument of his “opponents”.

[quote]Ren wrote:
PGJ wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
You mean like when Sean says, “God Bless America!” or “Remember to vote!” Yes, those are not intelligent…those things are just plain evil.

That is exactly what makes FOX news shit–too much editorializing. I’ve never heard these words come out of a serious journalist’s mouth.

Its not the news medias job to “belss America” or remind people to vote. Just report the freakin’ news and shut the hell up when you are done. This applies to all News.

Keep up the spin. You honestly must believe we are stupid enough to fall for your line of reasoning.

Saying “God Bless America” and “Remember to vote” is spin? You are fucking twisted. Hannity IS NOT a reporter or journalist, stupid. He’s a television/radio host and political analyst.

That’s one of the reasons I like Fox, because they aren’t affraid to be patriotic and say “God bless”. That’s why they are kicking every other news channels ass.

There is positively, absolutely nothing wrong with saying “God Bless America.” If you are offended by it maybe you should sit down and deal with your religious insecurities. If you say they are forcing religion down your throat, well, that’s just bullshit and you know it. Oh yeah, did I mention I am in no way religious?

Also, nothing wrong with telling people to vote. More people should be saying that, apathy is a plague in this country.

Not an attack on anyone personally, but those are weak examples to use when attacking Fox news. If you wanted one, talk about how they fabricate bullshit (Obama’s school in Indonesia), and then refuse to acknowledge that they butchered the story.[/quote]

Agreed and seconded. Nothing wrong with God Bless America.

(I’m an atheist, for all those who didn’t know or guess by now).

[quote]PGJ wrote:
That’s one of the reasons I like Fox, because they aren’t affraid to be patriotic and say “God bless”. That’s why they are kicking every other news channels ass.

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Then they shouldn’t call it a “news” channel. That isn’t news now is it? I’ve never heard Jim Lehrer (don’t care what you think of him) use those words though he might actually think it. Come to think of it I’ve never heard a BBC anchor ever use “God save the Queen” either.

Just because you think a particular way doesn’t mean you have to inject it into the “news”.

The fact that FOX has more time devoted to proselytizing than reporting should give you a clue about their journalistic integrity. I rest my case. This goes for all 24x7 “news” channels.

BTW, I love how you and your like minded conservative “buddies” slam libs because of who they listen to and all the while listen to the tripe espoused by FOX news. Pot meet kettle.

[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
Beowolf wrote:

Fox News = Shit. I’ve never heard a truly intelligent thing come out of Sean Hannity’s mouth.

You mean like when Sean says, “God Bless America!” or “Remember to vote!” Yes, those are not intelligent…those things are just plain evil.

I’d love to be one of your English teachers. Guess your grade.

We’ve been over the grammar thing before, HH, and if I recall, you misused “it’s”. And I’ve got a 97 in English thank you very much. It’s the internet, get over it and be happy im nawt tawkin leik thees.

And right here is an example of what your beloved Ann does, taking obvious hyperbole as literal word.

Sean Hannity isn’t evil. Just a spin doctor who takes the ultra conservative side of every argument, and then doesn’t assess the argument of his “opponents”.
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Thats right, because if someone puts a ultra conservative spin on something they are evil EVIL I TELL YOU LETS BURN THEM AT THE STAKE. But if someone puts an Ultra Liberal spin on something I hope you view them the same way, if not you just sound like an idiot.

[quote]Ren wrote:
PGJ wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
You mean like when Sean says, “God Bless America!” or “Remember to vote!” Yes, those are not intelligent…those things are just plain evil.

That is exactly what makes FOX news shit–too much editorializing. I’ve never heard these words come out of a serious journalist’s mouth.

Its not the news medias job to “belss America” or remind people to vote. Just report the freakin’ news and shut the hell up when you are done. This applies to all News.

Keep up the spin. You honestly must believe we are stupid enough to fall for your line of reasoning.

Saying “God Bless America” and “Remember to vote” is spin? You are fucking twisted. Hannity IS NOT a reporter or journalist, stupid. He’s a television/radio host and political analyst.

That’s one of the reasons I like Fox, because they aren’t affraid to be patriotic and say “God bless”. That’s why they are kicking every other news channels ass.

There is positively, absolutely nothing wrong with saying “God Bless America.” If you are offended by it maybe you should sit down and deal with your religious insecurities. If you say they are forcing religion down your throat, well, that’s just bullshit and you know it. Oh yeah, did I mention I am in no way religious?

Also, nothing wrong with telling people to vote. More people should be saying that, apathy is a plague in this country.

[/quote]

I hope you meant that for Lift, and not me.

[quote]PGJ wrote:
Saying “God Bless America” and “Remember to vote” is spin? [/quote]

No, that isn’t spin. I was addressing HH’s argument as spin.

Note: I am not knocking religion or patriotism as this isn’t my issue with 24x7 NEWS.

[quote]Beowolf wrote:

(I’m an atheist, for all those who didn’t know or guess by now).[/quote]

Congratulations, your parents must be so proud.

These are the standards I look for in news and information:

Society of Professional Journalists Code of Ethics

[quote]
Preamble
Members of the Society of Professional Journalists believe that public enlightenment is the forerunner of justice and the foundation of democracy. The duty of the journalist is to further those ends by seeking truth and providing a fair and comprehensive account of events and issues. Conscientious journalists from all media and specialties strive to serve the public with thoroughness and honesty. Professional integrity is the cornerstone of a journalist’s credibility. Members of the Society share a dedication to ethical behavior and adopt this code to declare the Society’s principles and standards of practice.

Seek Truth and Report It
Journalists should be honest, fair and courageous in gathering, reporting and interpreting information.

Journalists should:

Test the accuracy of information from all sources and exercise care to avoid inadvertent error. Deliberate distortion is never permissible.
Diligently seek out subjects of news stories to give them the opportunity to respond to allegations of wrongdoing.
Identify sources whenever feasible. The public is entitled to as much information as possible on sources’ reliability.
Always question sources? motives before promising anonymity. Clarify conditions attached to any promise made in exchange for information. Keep promises.
Make certain that headlines, news teases and promotional material, photos, video, audio, graphics, sound bites and quotations do not misrepresent. They should not oversimplify or highlight incidents out of context.
Never distort the content of news photos or video. Image enhancement for technical clarity is always permissible. Label montages and photo illustrations.
Avoid misleading re-enactments or staged news events. If re-enactment is necessary to tell a story, label it.
Avoid undercover or other surreptitious methods of gathering information except when traditional open methods will not yield information vital to the public. Use of such methods should be explained as part of the story
Never plagiarize.
Tell the story of the diversity and magnitude of the human experience boldly, even when it is unpopular to do so.
Examine their own cultural values and avoid imposing those values on others.
Avoid stereotyping by race, gender, age, religion, ethnicity, geography, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance or social status.
Support the open exchange of views, even views they find repugnant.
Give voice to the voiceless; official and unofficial sources of information can be equally valid.
Distinguish between advocacy and news reporting. Analysis and commentary should be labeled and not misrepresent fact or context.
Distinguish news from advertising and shun hybrids that blur the lines between the two.
Recognize a special obligation to ensure that the public’s business is conducted in the open and that government records are open to inspection.

Minimize Harm
Ethical journalists treat sources, subjects and colleagues as human beings deserving of respect.

Journalists should:

Show compassion for those who may be affected adversely by news coverage. Use special sensitivity when dealing with children and inexperienced sources or subjects.
Be sensitive when seeking or using interviews or photographs of those affected by tragedy or grief.
Recognize that gathering and reporting information may cause harm or discomfort. Pursuit of the news is not a license for arrogance.
Recognize that private people have a greater right to control information about themselves than do public officials and others who seek power, influence or attention. Only an overriding public need can justify intrusion into anyone?s privacy.
Show good taste. Avoid pandering to lurid curiosity.
Be cautious about identifying juvenile suspects or victims of sex crimes.
Be judicious about naming criminal suspects before the formal filing of charges.
Balance a criminal suspect?s fair trial rights with the public?s right to be informed.

Act Independently
Journalists should be free of obligation to any interest other than the public’s right to know.

Journalists should:

Avoid conflicts of interest, real or perceived.
Remain free of associations and activities that may compromise integrity or damage credibility.
Refuse gifts, favors, fees, free travel and special treatment, and shun secondary employment, political involvement, public office and service in community organizations if they compromise journalistic integrity.
Disclose unavoidable conflicts.
Be vigilant and courageous about holding those with power accountable.
Deny favored treatment to advertisers and special interests and resist their pressure to influence news coverage.
Be wary of sources offering information for favors or money; avoid bidding for news.

Be Accountable
Journalists are accountable to their readers, listeners, viewers and each other.

Journalists should:

Clarify and explain news coverage and invite dialogue with the public over journalistic conduct.
Encourage the public to voice grievances against the news media.
Admit mistakes and correct them promptly.
Expose unethical practices of journalists and the news media.
Abide by the same high standards to which they hold others.

The SPJ Code of Ethics is voluntarily embraced by thousands of
writers, editors and other news professionals. The present version of
the code was adopted by the 1996 SPJ National Convention, after months
of study and debate among the Society’s members.

Sigma Delta Chi’s first Code of Ethics was borrowed from the
American Society of Newspaper Editors in 1926. In 1973, Sigma Delta Chi
wrote its own code, which was revised in 1984, 1987 and 1996.[/quote]

Yes…that is an editorial which contributes no value to the thread. Same as my comment about your comment.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
These are the standards I look for in news and information:

Society of Professional Journalists Code of Ethics

Preamble
Members of the Society of Professional Journalists believe that public enlightenment is the forerunner of justice and the foundation of democracy. The duty of the journalist is to further those ends by seeking truth and providing a fair and comprehensive account of events and issues.

Conscientious journalists from all media and specialties strive to serve the public with thoroughness and honesty. Professional integrity is the cornerstone of a journalist’s credibility. Members of the Society share a dedication to ethical behavior and adopt this code to declare the Society’s principles and standards of practice.

Seek Truth and Report It
Journalists should be honest, fair and courageous in gathering, reporting and interpreting information.

Journalists should:

Test the accuracy of information from all sources and exercise care to avoid inadvertent error. Deliberate distortion is never permissible.
Diligently seek out subjects of news stories to give them the opportunity to respond to allegations of wrongdoing.
Identify sources whenever feasible. The public is entitled to as much information as possible on sources’ reliability.
Always question sources? motives before promising anonymity. Clarify conditions attached to any promise made in exchange for information. Keep promises.
Make certain that headlines, news teases and promotional material, photos, video, audio, graphics, sound bites and quotations do not misrepresent. They should not oversimplify or highlight incidents out of context.
Never distort the content of news photos or video. Image enhancement for technical clarity is always permissible. Label montages and photo illustrations.
Avoid misleading re-enactments or staged news events. If re-enactment is necessary to tell a story, label it.
Avoid undercover or other surreptitious methods of gathering information except when traditional open methods will not yield information vital to the public. Use of such methods should be explained as part of the story
Never plagiarize.
Tell the story of the diversity and magnitude of the human experience boldly, even when it is unpopular to do so.
Examine their own cultural values and avoid imposing those values on others.
Avoid stereotyping by race, gender, age, religion, ethnicity, geography, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance or social status.
Support the open exchange of views, even views they find repugnant.
Give voice to the voiceless; official and unofficial sources of information can be equally valid.
Distinguish between advocacy and news reporting. Analysis and commentary should be labeled and not misrepresent fact or context.
Distinguish news from advertising and shun hybrids that blur the lines between the two.
Recognize a special obligation to ensure that the public’s business is conducted in the open and that government records are open to inspection.

Minimize Harm
Ethical journalists treat sources, subjects and colleagues as human beings deserving of respect.

Journalists should:

Show compassion for those who may be affected adversely by news coverage. Use special sensitivity when dealing with children and inexperienced sources or subjects.
Be sensitive when seeking or using interviews or photographs of those affected by tragedy or grief.
Recognize that gathering and reporting information may cause harm or discomfort. Pursuit of the news is not a license for arrogance.
Recognize that private people have a greater right to control information about themselves than do public officials and others who seek power, influence or attention. Only an overriding public need can justify intrusion into anyone?s privacy.
Show good taste. Avoid pandering to lurid curiosity.
Be cautious about identifying juvenile suspects or victims of sex crimes.
Be judicious about naming criminal suspects before the formal filing of charges.
Balance a criminal suspect?s fair trial rights with the public?s right to be informed.

Act Independently
Journalists should be free of obligation to any interest other than the public’s right to know.

Journalists should:

Avoid conflicts of interest, real or perceived.
Remain free of associations and activities that may compromise integrity or damage credibility.
Refuse gifts, favors, fees, free travel and special treatment, and shun secondary employment, political involvement, public office and service in community organizations if they compromise journalistic integrity.
Disclose unavoidable conflicts.
Be vigilant and courageous about holding those with power accountable.
Deny favored treatment to advertisers and special interests and resist their pressure to influence news coverage.
Be wary of sources offering information for favors or money; avoid bidding for news.

Be Accountable
Journalists are accountable to their readers, listeners, viewers and each other.

Journalists should:

Clarify and explain news coverage and invite dialogue with the public over journalistic conduct.
Encourage the public to voice grievances against the news media.
Admit mistakes and correct them promptly.
Expose unethical practices of journalists and the news media.
Abide by the same high standards to which they hold others.

The SPJ Code of Ethics is voluntarily embraced by thousands of
writers, editors and other news professionals. The present version of
the code was adopted by the 1996 SPJ National Convention, after months
of study and debate among the Society’s members.

Sigma Delta Chi’s first Code of Ethics was borrowed from the
American Society of Newspaper Editors in 1926. In 1973, Sigma Delta Chi
wrote its own code, which was revised in 1984, 1987 and 1996.[/quote]

That’s great. Lawyers take a similar oath. We all know how honest and trustworthy they are.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

Congratulations, your parents must be so proud.

Yes…that is an editorial which contributes no value to the thread. Same as my comment about your comment.
[/quote]

Sorry, did I hurt your fee-wings?

[quote]PGJ wrote:

Sorry, did I hurt your fee-wings?
[/quote]
The only people capable of hurting my feelings are people I know and trust.

[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
You mean like when Sean says, “God Bless America!” or “Remember to vote!” Yes, those are not intelligent…those things are just plain evil.

That is exactly what makes FOX news shit–too much editorializing. I’ve never heard these words come out of a serious journalist’s mouth.

Its not the news medias job to “belss America” or remind people to vote. Just report the freakin’ news and shut the hell up when you are done. This applies to all News.

Keep up the spin. You honestly must believe we are stupid enough to fall for your line of reasoning.[/quote]

Hannity is hired to give his opinion, not state the news. Its obvious that you don’t listen to him or understand what he does.

You call him an idiot for expressing his opinion, ie. doing his job. That’s fine but you are confused.

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
You call him an idiot for expressing his opinion, ie. doing his job. That’s fine but you are confused.

[/quote]
I’ve never called him an idiot. I am just stating it isn’t news. I know what editorializers get paid to do. I think 24x7 NEWS channels do way too much editorializing.

Granted, those that agree with these 24x7 NEWS editorials probably already did from the start. In this regard its entertainment. The fact that 24x7 NEWS calls themselves “news” channels means to me they are blurring the distinction between opinion and fact.

I see this as destructive to those without the mental capacity to clarify those distinction on their own. Some of the members of my own family fall into this category–and this is why I am disgusted by it.

[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
Beowolf wrote:

Fox News = Shit. I’ve never heard a truly intelligent thing come out of Sean Hannity’s mouth.

You mean like when Sean says, “God Bless America!” or “Remember to vote!” Yes, those are not intelligent…those things are just plain evil.

I’d love to be one of your English teachers. Guess your grade.

We’ve been over the grammar thing before, HH, and if I recall, you misused “it’s”. And I’ve got a 97 in English thank you very much. It’s the internet, get over it and be happy im nawt tawkin leik thees.

And right here is an example of what your beloved Ann does, taking obvious hyperbole as literal word.

Sean Hannity isn’t evil. Just a spin doctor who takes the ultra conservative side of every argument, and then doesn’t assess the argument of his “opponents”.
[/quote]

You’d fail for stating that you’ve never heard anything intelligent come out of Sean Hannity’s mouth. Since Sean is paid to speak as it were, he could not be incapable of intelligent speech. You’re either lying or you never listen. In either case, you get an ‘F’.

[quote]PGJ wrote:
Beowolf wrote:

(I’m an atheist, for all those who didn’t know or guess by now).

Congratulations, your parents must be so proud.

[/quote]

They could really care less. My mother is agnostic, and my dad isn’t religious in the slightest bit.

I consider freeing myself from the ignorance and captivity of organized religion to be an achievement of logic. So I accept you congratulations gracefully.

Though my disbelief in God is more of a faith thing, so I don’t want any kind of congrats for that, ok?