I like the part where he stated that he “hated Republicans.”
Or, “This is a struggle between good and evil. We are the good.”
Sounds like your kind of guy, lumpy.
yarrrggghhhahahhghaghahahg!!!
JeffR
[quote]100meters wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
If you mean that both quote Dean and he is “framed” as an ideologue, then I agree – but it’s a frame of his own construction. Howard Dean has created his own persona, and it’s mad, confrontational, ideologically extreme and uncompromising, and not going to win.
you did it again here:
“ideologically extreme and uncompromising”
The ideas are not extreme:
supported Newt’s spending cuts in medicare.
“pro-gun”
Thrifty. Balanced budgets and tax cuts.
Had opportunity to legalize gay marriage, but didn’t.
The reality is Howard Dean is as left of center as the Clintons. The thing about Dean is that he had the ability to appeal to those on the far-left even when those on the far-left (GREEN PARTY) didn’t agree with him on many issues.
The obvious strategy for the GOP is to marginalize a canidate like this by painting him a far-left radical (“just look at his supporters”) and repeat ad nausem.
I would also argue that Dean didn’t “create” the persona you described, it was created for him by the right, and perhaps confirmed by certain Deaniac events, like yarghhhh! but hey, that’s his own damn fault.
ok I’m done with Dean now(I don’t even like Dean).
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If one were to appraise Dean by a proxy of those who supported his Presidential race, I’d say he looks pretty darn liberal:
EXCERPT:
[i]Compared with Democrats in the general public, the Dean activists are much more liberal across a range of issues, more dissatisfied with President Bush and with the direction of the country. Their liberalism stands out even when compared with delegates to the 2004 Democratic convention, who themselves were significantly more liberal than rank-and-file Democrats. Roughly eight-in-ten Dean activists (82%) describe themselves as liberal, compared with 41% of the convention delegates and 27% of national Democrats.
The activists are critical of the Democratic Party in a number of respects. Most do not think the party has done well in standing up for its traditional constituencies or for liberal positions. Two-thirds (67%) want the party to change to better reflect liberal and progressive values. By contrast, a majority of members of the Democratic National Committee (52%) said in a CNN/USA Today/Gallup survey in February 2005 that they want the party to move in a moderate direction.
Most activists say a new third party would be a good thing, but voice little enthusiasm for actually abandoning the Democratic Party. The activists are divided about how progressive and liberal causes can best be advanced: 38% think the Democratic Party is best able to do this, but an equal number say privately funded advocacy groups are best (36%). Just 13% think a new political party is preferable. And most believe George Soros and other wealthy liberal philanthropists helped the party and progressive causes in general.
Dean activists were motivated by an intense disapproval of President Bush’s job performance (96% strongly disapproved) and by strong opinions on the issues, especially the war in Iraq. They also support gay marriage by more than ten-to-one (91%-8%); half of national Democrats (50%) oppose gay marriage. The activists were attracted to Howard Dean in large part because they believed that he would stand up to Bush and give voice to views widely considered unpopular. Many also believed that he was the best candidate to bring about change inside the Democratic Party. [/i]
To be perhaps a bit overly general, I’d say you have a collection of old hippies and college students (the sort who hang out at the co-op store and find time to march for the cause du jour).
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
100meters wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:
If you mean that both quote Dean and he is “framed” as an ideologue, then I agree – but it’s a frame of his own construction. Howard Dean has created his own persona, and it’s mad, confrontational, ideologically extreme and uncompromising, and not going to win.
you did it again here:
“ideologically extreme and uncompromising”
The ideas are not extreme:
supported Newt’s spending cuts in medicare.
“pro-gun”
Thrifty. Balanced budgets and tax cuts.
Had opportunity to legalize gay marriage, but didn’t.
The reality is Howard Dean is as left of center as the Clintons. The thing about Dean is that he had the ability to appeal to those on the far-left even when those on the far-left (GREEN PARTY) didn’t agree with him on many issues.
The obvious strategy for the GOP is to marginalize a canidate like this by painting him a far-left radical (“just look at his supporters”) and repeat ad nausem.
I would also argue that Dean didn’t “create” the persona you described, it was created for him by the right, and perhaps confirmed by certain Deaniac events, like yarghhhh! but hey, that’s his own damn fault.
ok I’m done with Dean now(I don’t even like Dean).
If one were to appraise Dean by a proxy of those who supported his Presidential race, I’d say he looks pretty darn liberal:
EXCERPT:
[i]Compared with Democrats in the general public, the Dean activists are much more liberal across a range of issues, more dissatisfied with President Bush and with the direction of the country. Their liberalism stands out even when compared with delegates to the 2004 Democratic convention, who themselves were significantly more liberal than rank-and-file Democrats. Roughly eight-in-ten Dean activists (82%) describe themselves as liberal, compared with 41% of the convention delegates and 27% of national Democrats.
The activists are critical of the Democratic Party in a number of respects. Most do not think the party has done well in standing up for its traditional constituencies or for liberal positions. Two-thirds (67%) want the party to change to better reflect liberal and progressive values. By contrast, a majority of members of the Democratic National Committee (52%) said in a CNN/USA Today/Gallup survey in February 2005 that they want the party to move in a moderate direction.
Most activists say a new third party would be a good thing, but voice little enthusiasm for actually abandoning the Democratic Party. The activists are divided about how progressive and liberal causes can best be advanced: 38% think the Democratic Party is best able to do this, but an equal number say privately funded advocacy groups are best (36%). Just 13% think a new political party is preferable. And most believe George Soros and other wealthy liberal philanthropists helped the party and progressive causes in general.
Dean activists were motivated by an intense disapproval of President Bush’s job performance (96% strongly disapproved) and by strong opinions on the issues, especially the war in Iraq. They also support gay marriage by more than ten-to-one (91%-8%); half of national Democrats (50%) oppose gay marriage. The activists were attracted to Howard Dean in large part because they believed that he would stand up to Bush and give voice to views widely considered unpopular. Many also believed that he was the best candidate to bring about change inside the Democratic Party. [/i]
To be perhaps a bit overly general, I’d say you have a collection of old hippies and college students (the sort who hang out at the co-op store and find time to march for the cause du jour).
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I wouldn’t disagree at all, But the percieved choice here was Kucinich! You can’t argue who’s more left can you? It’s summed up that these people felt that Dean would be able to stand up to Bush. Oh, can I say I hate the people who work in co-op grocery stores, that’s funny that you mention it, because my biggest pet peeve in this town is the freaking co-op, and its shoppers/workers.
PC run amok.
Teen risks penalty over beads
School threatens in-school suspension if Raven Furbert dons red, white and blue necklace
By MICHELE MORGAN BOLTON, Staff writer
First published: Saturday, April 9, 2005
SCHENECTADY – The saga continues for a 13-year-old Mont Pleasant Middle School student who is suing school officials for the right to wear a handmade red, white and blue necklace to class.
Raven Furbert was a typical student before she received a string-it-yourself bead kit for Christmas.
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Now, the girl who filed the civil rights violation claim in U.S. District Court in February has drawn national attention as she fights administrators who say paraphernalia featuring gang-oriented colors is prohibited. At least 50 Web sites have been dedicated to her.
Furbert said she wears the necklace in honor of soldiers serving overseas, including an uncle and three other relatives.
Friday, the case again boiled over when Furbert’s mother, Katie Grzywna, was called to school after her daughter was threatened with in-school suspension if she didn’t remove the beads.
Grzywna opted instead to take her daughter home for the day.
“This is ridiculous,” she said. “If she’s in an in-school suspension Monday, I’ll be sitting on the hood of my car wearing a red-, white- and blue necklace from 8 to 3.”
“This is an action taken by the district to punish her for standing up for her rights,” added the family’s lawyer, Bob Keach.
“They’re enforcing an unwritten, unconstitutional policy against a 13-year-old who wants to show her patriotism.”
School district spokesman Michael Lisi said officials are happy to let the courts do the work: “You can’t measure prevention,” he said.
Uhhh…Hedo what does this have to do with this thread? As I remember the school has a policy against all bead wearing (it’s percieved as gang attire) Rules are rules. A bong painted red, white, and blue would probably cause trouble too.
PC…one of the conerstones of the Democratic party.
Run amok at a school.
Do you think anyone actually admires the administrator of the school for her actions?
If so…your probably a democrat.
[quote]hedo wrote:
PC…one of the conerstones of the Democratic party.
Run amok at a school.
Do you think anyone actually admires the administrator of the school for her actions?
If so…your probably a democrat.[/quote]
I did not know that. Again the school has a policy against all beads. It’s a gang thing according to the school. So it really has nothing to do with being PC I guess. I remember Hannity trying to make something of this a while back, but it didn’t take I guess.