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[quote]Sloth wrote:
I’m reminded of a funny exchange I had in high school. A black student approaches me with a survey. Basically he would name a black historical figure and ask a few questions. At that point in time the black fist and African continent was a popular necklace accessory. A fashion statement he took part in. He was actually one of the guys beating up Mexicans and screaming “black power!” on the bus ride home.

So it was odd to see him earnestly taking a survey. Anyways, the questions were basically a match what this figure is known for type of deal. After scoring rather high on my knowledge of these figures, he looked genuinely surprised. He asks me something like, “wow, how’d you pick so much up on them?” I looked at him and said something to the effect of “I paid attention in class.” I suppose our school didn’t really need more on Tubman. It needed more students paying attention. [/quote]

Who? :wink:

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why is no one complaining about these?

http://asianpacificheritage.gov/

Why do they lie like these don’t exist?[/quote]

Oh, we had Hispanic week or something like. Usually at least one day of the week was cut short so we could watch our fellow Hispanic students, and the smattering of whites enamored with the culture, demonstrate and encourage us in traditional dances, sample foods, listen to authentic music, and to view fellow students in historical/cultural dress. Of course we’d, black and white, hit up the food and sneak off to the parking lot to make our early escape.[/quote]

Apparently, judging by the OP…this experience should have scarred you for life.

Based on this alone, you should not be successful in life.
[/quote]

Well, I was scarred alright, but I think it has to do more with the mix of bland food and the strange bowel movements later that day.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why is no one complaining about these?

http://asianpacificheritage.gov/

Why do they lie like these don’t exist?[/quote]

Oh, we had Hispanic week or something like. Usually at least one day of the week was cut short so we could watch our fellow Hispanic students, and the smattering of whites enamored with the culture, demonstrate and encourage us in traditional dances, sample foods, listen to authentic music, and to view fellow students in historical/cultural dress. Of course we’d, black and white, hit up the food and sneak off to the parking lot to make our early escape.[/quote]

Apparently, judging by the OP…this experience should have scarred you for life.

Based on this alone, you should not be successful in life.
[/quote]

Well, I was scarred alright, but I think it has to do more with the mix of bland food and the strange bowel movements later that day.[/quote]

Hispanic bland food?

I…I…what!?!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]666Rich wrote:
FWIW,

the biography of Malcolm X is simply a fantastic book, regardless of the race component. I work in a large urban public school district, where I think a lot of kids should read that. Unfortunately, literacy is not very strong in our schools.

If someone is upset with the curriculum they are given, in terms of preference or neglect of material…why not simply read up on the issue on your own?

When I was younger I loved history, especially military history. I learned more about historical events, societies, politics etc…from my own reading which was a supplement to the curriculum.

If the OP is referring to K-12 education, there are a lot of variables at stake. These include the level to which one is teaching, the amount of material to cover in depth, etc.

In my AP english classes, yes we had specific reading that were womens lit, and african american lit. Some of them I liked, some of them I didnt. Thats anything though.

Also given my previous example, some of our schools are almost 100% african american. I think its legitimate to see some sense of identification in their curriculum. How does that harm you?

I am also not a “bleeding heart liberal”, or anything close to that sort. [/quote]

Well, I know we’ve been doing X-Minority group for Y-period of time for at least 20 years. My question is, what’s the point? Has it helped close the achievement gap? Anyone have anything on this?
[/quote]

I would think the large growth in the population of middle and upper middle class black Americans would be the place to look.

Black History Month was an attempt to inform children of the accomplishments of black Americans…in the face of a society that at one time only placed blacks in movies as maids or pure idiots. The desired effects included an increase in self esteem of many of those kids who grew up with no role models who actually looked like them.[/quote]

Or we teach them to be color blind.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Pure gold!

Mike Wallace: “How are we going to get rid of racism?”

Morgan Freeman: “Stop talking about it”.
[/quote]

The Op said that “liberals changed history” and implied this was for the worse. I am asking why anyone would take that stance when it is very clear that early history books in this country were extremely biased?

Why would someone so concerned with succeeding in current society be focused on “getting rid of Black History Month” INSTEAD of "getting a more rounded look at history for all people?

I am not “Pro Black history month”. I just don’t see the big issue with it. Some of you are cheering for teams and shit instead of looking at reality.[/quote]

And the reality of it is exactly what Morgan Freeman stated. And that’s why I posted it.

Take a deep breath…[/quote]

No, that was one ACTOR’S opinion…and while I think Freeman is one of the best actors around, I put as much weight into his political opinion as I do Tom Cruises’. You only cheer this on because you think he is agreeing with you.

[/quote]

Actually, I think he is a one dimensional actor. But I do agree with him on this point. To be quite honest with you I don’t think about race at all…until someone like you reminds me. I work side by side with people of all colors and faiths and we get along great. But unfortunately there are people who want to keep the race card alive.

Why?

Some of them are sincere in their efforts as they think there is still a major problem. Others however like Al Sharpton try to make themselves large than life by using race.

I do agree with Freeman why can’t we all just forget about it?

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]666Rich wrote:
FWIW,

the biography of Malcolm X is simply a fantastic book, regardless of the race component. I work in a large urban public school district, where I think a lot of kids should read that. Unfortunately, literacy is not very strong in our schools.

If someone is upset with the curriculum they are given, in terms of preference or neglect of material…why not simply read up on the issue on your own?

When I was younger I loved history, especially military history. I learned more about historical events, societies, politics etc…from my own reading which was a supplement to the curriculum.

If the OP is referring to K-12 education, there are a lot of variables at stake. These include the level to which one is teaching, the amount of material to cover in depth, etc.

In my AP english classes, yes we had specific reading that were womens lit, and african american lit. Some of them I liked, some of them I didnt. Thats anything though.

Also given my previous example, some of our schools are almost 100% african american. I think its legitimate to see some sense of identification in their curriculum. How does that harm you?

I am also not a “bleeding heart liberal”, or anything close to that sort. [/quote]

Well, I know we’ve been doing X-Minority group for Y-period of time for at least 20 years. My question is, what’s the point? Has it helped close the achievement gap? Anyone have anything on this?
[/quote]

I would think the large growth in the population of middle and upper middle class black Americans would be the place to look.

Black History Month was an attempt to inform children of the accomplishments of black Americans…in the face of a society that at one time only placed blacks in movies as maids or pure idiots. The desired effects included an increase in self esteem of many of those kids who grew up with no role models who actually looked like them.[/quote]

Or we teach them to be color blind. [/quote]

Like in the “Lathe of Heaven”?

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[quote]jjackkrash wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]666Rich wrote:
FWIW,

the biography of Malcolm X is simply a fantastic book, regardless of the race component. I work in a large urban public school district, where I think a lot of kids should read that. Unfortunately, literacy is not very strong in our schools.

If someone is upset with the curriculum they are given, in terms of preference or neglect of material…why not simply read up on the issue on your own?

When I was younger I loved history, especially military history. I learned more about historical events, societies, politics etc…from my own reading which was a supplement to the curriculum.

If the OP is referring to K-12 education, there are a lot of variables at stake. These include the level to which one is teaching, the amount of material to cover in depth, etc.

In my AP english classes, yes we had specific reading that were womens lit, and african american lit. Some of them I liked, some of them I didnt. Thats anything though.

Also given my previous example, some of our schools are almost 100% african american. I think its legitimate to see some sense of identification in their curriculum. How does that harm you?

I am also not a “bleeding heart liberal”, or anything close to that sort. [/quote]

Well, I know we’ve been doing X-Minority group for Y-period of time for at least 20 years. My question is, what’s the point? Has it helped close the achievement gap? Anyone have anything on this?
[/quote]

I would think the large growth in the population of middle and upper middle class black Americans would be the place to look.

Black History Month was an attempt to inform children of the accomplishments of black Americans…in the face of a society that at one time only placed blacks in movies as maids or pure idiots. The desired effects included an increase in self esteem of many of those kids who grew up with no role models who actually looked like them.[/quote]

Or we teach them to be color blind. [/quote]

Like in the “Lathe of Heaven”? [/quote]

Don’t know what that is.

What I’m saying is that Black kids needing black role models is part of the problem. If a white kid wants to be a boxer, he could look up to Ali (I actually wanted to be like Frasier). If a black kid wants to be a doctor he should be able to look to a role model that’s happens to be white.

The fact that we are constantly reinforcing that black and white heritage are separate things is probably part of the reason kids have the inability to take pride in all things American.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why is no one complaining about these?

http://asianpacificheritage.gov/

Why do they lie like these don’t exist?[/quote]

Probably because no one’s ever heard about them?

Seriously, I think all this stuff is silly.

There’s no Jewish history month.

(Well, OK when you get to WWII they show us in camps getting burned up. Not exactly inspiring.)

We have lots of people who really, really hate us in this world, and we do OK.

Why do we do OK, pretty much whereever?

Because my mom and dad (like most all Jewish moms and dads) would beat the shit out of me (or the equivalent) if I didn’t get a 100 on every paper and would have been embarassed if I was anything less than a doctor, lawyer, scientist, or successful entrepenuer.

I have 4 young adult daughters — all of them are already successful. I did what my parents did – have expectations of excellence and instill a solid work ethic, a faith in G-d, and responsibility to help fellow mankind – a higher calling.

Not a huge mystery.

All this government crap is just crap. Without the family, it’s noise.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why is no one complaining about these?

http://asianpacificheritage.gov/

Why do they lie like these don’t exist?[/quote]

Probably because no one’s ever heard about them?

Seriously, I think all this stuff is silly.

There’s no Jewish history month.

(Well, OK when you get to WWII they show us in camps getting burned up. Not exactly inspiring.)

We have lots of people who really, really hate us in this world, and we do OK.

Why do we do OK, pretty much whereever?

Because my mom and dad (like most all Jewish moms and dads) would beat the shit out of me (or the equivalent) if I didn’t get a 100 on every paper and would have been embarassed if I was anything less than a doctor, lawyer, scientist, or successful entrepenuer.

I have 4 young adult daughters — all of them are already successful. I did what my parents did – have expectations of excellence and instill a solid work ethic, a faith in G-d, and responsibility to help fellow mankind – a higher calling.

Not a huge mystery.

All this government crap is just crap. Without the family, it’s noise.

[/quote]

Exceptional post that is spot on!

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why is no one complaining about these?

http://asianpacificheritage.gov/

Why do they lie like these don’t exist?[/quote]

Oh, we had Hispanic week or something like. Usually at least one day of the week was cut short so we could watch our fellow Hispanic students, and the smattering of whites enamored with the culture, demonstrate and encourage us in traditional dances, sample foods, listen to authentic music, and to view fellow students in historical/cultural dress. Of course we’d, black and white, hit up the food and sneak off to the parking lot to make our early escape.[/quote]

Apparently, judging by the OP…this experience should have scarred you for life.

Based on this alone, you should not be successful in life.
[/quote]

Well, I was scarred alright, but I think it has to do more with the mix of bland food and the strange bowel movements later that day.[/quote]

Hispanic bland food?

I…I…what!?![/quote]

Ever been to Mexico?

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why is no one complaining about these?

http://asianpacificheritage.gov/

Why do they lie like these don’t exist?[/quote]

Probably because no one’s ever heard about them?

Seriously, I think all this stuff is silly.

There’s no Jewish history month.

(Well, OK when you get to WWII they show us in camps getting burned up. Not exactly inspiring.)

We have lots of people who really, really hate us in this world, and we do OK.

Why do we do OK, pretty much whereever?

Because my mom and dad (like most all Jewish moms and dads) would beat the shit out of me (or the equivalent) if I didn’t get a 100 on every paper and would have been embarassed if I was anything less than a doctor, lawyer, scientist, or successful entrepenuer.

I have 4 young adult daughters — all of them are already successful. I did what my parents did – have expectations of excellence and instill a solid work ethic, a faith in G-d, and responsibility to help fellow mankind – a higher calling.

Not a huge mystery.

All this government crap is just crap. Without the family, it’s noise.

[/quote]

Lies, doesn’t work. :wink:

Joos own the media, 'nuff said. On other news, how is the debates being viewed in Israel? And, more important how is the weather there? I’m ready to get out of the cold already.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why is no one complaining about these?

http://asianpacificheritage.gov/

Why do they lie like these don’t exist?[/quote]

Oh, we had Hispanic week or something like. Usually at least one day of the week was cut short so we could watch our fellow Hispanic students, and the smattering of whites enamored with the culture, demonstrate and encourage us in traditional dances, sample foods, listen to authentic music, and to view fellow students in historical/cultural dress. Of course we’d, black and white, hit up the food and sneak off to the parking lot to make our early escape.[/quote]

Apparently, judging by the OP…this experience should have scarred you for life.

Based on this alone, you should not be successful in life.
[/quote]

Well, I was scarred alright, but I think it has to do more with the mix of bland food and the strange bowel movements later that day.[/quote]

Hispanic bland food?

I…I…what!?![/quote]

Ever been to Mexico?[/quote]

Many times including all over Central and South America, the food is anything but bland.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:
Without the family, it’s noise.

[/quote]
Yup. And that is the real issue.

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I will defer most of my answer to the professor’s question to thoughts and opinions already stated in this previous thread…

Because how do you defend against being branded a racist when the rules and words that can be used constantly shift in favor of the one side.

The only thing I can recognize as being allowed in the current school history experience today are liberal in their slant and interpretation.

Easily 80% or more of college and university professors are left leaning. It is the primary reason most elementary and high school school teachers are left leaning. It’s a brain-washing gauntlet they must run through for their four-eight years of higher education.

How pathetic for a melting pot of my country’s citizens that they ever surrendered educational subject matter so easily.

There is no real analysis on race and never will be simply because when one side doesn’t like the tone or the direction they end the dialogue by deeming it racist.

For the sake of not upsetting or offending lest they be branded racist few ever bring any meat and potatoes to that table of discussion. It’s a shame because there is nothing in our constitution that guarantees the right not to be offended.

True racism is fought against almost everywhere in U.S. society today. All except for a small minority it is not tolerated. End of story.

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[quote]conservativedog wrote:
I will defer most of my answer to the professor’s question to thoughts and opinions already stated in this previous thread…

[/quote]

How does this explain why you are so concerned with Black History Month and not any other month dedicated to the understanding of other accomplishments from other races?

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why is no one complaining about these?

http://asianpacificheritage.gov/

Why do they lie like these don’t exist?[/quote]

Probably because no one’s ever heard about them?

Seriously, I think all this stuff is silly.

There’s no Jewish history month.

(Well, OK when you get to WWII they show us in camps getting burned up. Not exactly inspiring.)

We have lots of people who really, really hate us in this world, and we do OK.

Why do we do OK, pretty much whereever?

Because my mom and dad (like most all Jewish moms and dads) would beat the shit out of me (or the equivalent) if I didn’t get a 100 on every paper and would have been embarassed if I was anything less than a doctor, lawyer, scientist, or successful entrepenuer.

I have 4 young adult daughters — all of them are already successful. I did what my parents did – have expectations of excellence and instill a solid work ethic, a faith in G-d, and responsibility to help fellow mankind – a higher calling.

Not a huge mystery.

All this government crap is just crap. Without the family, it’s noise.

[/quote]

The key thought is “I did what my parents did”. This is one concept many choose to ignore as if the literal and relatively recent destruction of the entire base culture of one race in this country should resolve itself without any generational assistance or established successful culture.

I think the plight of the Jews in history is well known, but we are discussing the destruction of the past traditions and entire base culture of a group of people…not JUST racism in everyday life. You don’t repair rape of that kind in one generation…or two.

Many black Americans in this country can’t even trace their family history back more than 4 or 5 generations because of slavery…which means an entire race of people who have no prior base culture, tradition or history.

Honestly, I would think someone who chooses to live his life openly following old traditions that even many other Jews don’t follow as closely would understand how important history, tradition and culture are to the development of any well rounded person.

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[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

There’s no Jewish history month.

[/quote]

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

There’s no Jewish history month.

[/quote]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_American_Heritage_Month[/quote]

And if one wants an idea of just how little it’s recognized, JEWbacca didn’t know. Not once have I seen any mention of this month at college.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

There’s no Jewish history month.

[/quote]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_American_Heritage_Month[/quote]

Which again makes me wonder why these people have such a problem with BLACK history month but have absolutely no problem to the point of complete ignorance of their existence when it comes to all of these months for every other race.

Bottom line is, yes, many blacks in this country felt that there needed to be a voice for Black Americans and that they were underrepresented and disenfranchised enough to warrant it. I personally don’t see how someone can actually deny that there was a need for Black Americans to understand their own culture better in this country after losing their own.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Jewbacca wrote:

There’s no Jewish history month.

[/quote]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_American_Heritage_Month[/quote]

And if one wants an idea of just how little it’s recognized, JEWbacca didn’t know. Not once have I seen any mention of this month at college.
[/quote]

True…but that is only because he personally (and many other Jews) don’t feel a need for understanding their own culture better in the eyes of open society…BECAUSE they already have such a rich and enduring foundational culture.

It is strange to see people who rely on that much tradition…somehow not see the importance of it to anyone else.