No one’s flamming yet man, I just keep reading comments in the forums flaming people for doing simple stuff, I wonder if I’ll be flamed for doing crazy training.
I gonna think this one through, my training is pretty much lame since october but I think I’ll post until this log fills up, which will take a long while.I got to man up again and get the weights to go up. I just expected more out of myself by now and my numbers are not even near where I think they should be.
Numbers go up? You just said you deaded 465x12 and you’re unsatisfied? Your progress is pretty unbelievable man. You taken any vids yet?
Hey, as long as you’re not doing starting strength I won’t flame you 
WF there’s more than one kind of mentality out there… Some get you places in weight training, others get you stuck all too early on…
C’mon Delta, take care of your injuries and then back to putting another 'couple hundred pounds on the bar…
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Numbers go up? You just said you deaded 465x12 and you’re unsatisfied? Your progress is pretty unbelievable man. You taken any vids yet? [/quote]
Yep man I did film some stuff and posted it a few pages back, I’m having to sneak my camera to the gym since I had a verbal exchange with the gym staff because of it, they don’t want me filming because it “expose the clients”. I filmed some crap since then but it sucked so much I didn’t even bother myself with it. I’m changing gyms soon so I plan to post videos with every entry.
I’m unsatisfied because while some lifts go up, others suck. Took me 2 years to get my MP to 200, I can bench 300x5 but 310 won’t budge, I can box squat a shit load but can’t back squat for shit. There are also minor problems, like my upper back injury, knee and tigh injuries and there’s my weak grip and weak forearms.
I’m sure it probably happens to a lot of people but it does get me very angry with myself.
Wow, I didn’t even knew C_C read this thread. Thanks for posting man.
December 13, 2010: Chest
245x10
260x10
285x8
300x6 … failed the last rep
120x15
120x14
120x14
60x15x2
BWx20x4
… no pullovers today because it’s a bad idea due to upper back/neck pain.
Still had 15 minutes left so I did a superset of heavy calf work and grip/forearm rehab.
310 won’t budge? You mean you can’t get it once?
TBH from the looks of you, you’re probably barely half-way in your journey… You probably haven’t even found the right benching and squatting setup and technique for your individual leverages yet… And as you get bigger, that can change too… Then there’s stuff like how to incorporate lighter sessions regularly to keep on progressing and staying injury free and whatever.
What’s your diet like at the moment? Actually, I’m mostly interested in your protein intake vs. your bodyweight… Whether you are gaining weight or holding it, p intake makes a huge difference in gains imo, especially if your routine fits the bill.
Well man I can’t actually tell you how much grams of protein I get daily because I usually don’t count it, here’s how I set up my meals on a good day without any AM cardio.
07:00 am - Wake up, 1 scoop of whey, 1 piece of fruit
07:40 am - ( 30/40mins later) eggs, meat ( chicken, sausage, turkey meatball, ham… ) and somekind of lean carb
09:00 am - 1 scoop of whey and milk
11:00 am - Tuna and Rice
01:00 pm - Lunch, lean meat, potatoes or rice and vegetables
03:00 pm - bananas, 1 scoop whey and tuna
04:00 pm - (Pre-training) 1 scoop of whey, 1 scoop of dextrose or powerade/gatorade
04:20 pm - (Peri) same as pre-training
05:30 pm - (Post) 1 scoop of whey
06:30 pm - Meat, lots of carbs, vegetables
08:00 pm - More milk
10:00 pm - 1 scoop of whey.
Sleep.
Since I’m 238 lbs at the moment I think I’m getting enough protein for my current BW.
I can get 310 for a single or even a double, but that wouldn’t fit in my current training plan.
[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
I can get 310 for a single or even a double, but that wouldn’t fit in my current training plan. [/quote]
Okay, makes more sense. You’ll find a way.
[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
Well man I can’t actually tell you how much grams of protein I get daily because I usually don’t count it, here’s how I set up my meals on a good day without any AM cardio.
07:00 am - Wake up, 1 scoop of whey, 1 piece of fruit
07:40 am - ( 30/40mins later) eggs, meat ( chicken, sausage, turkey meatball, ham… ) and somekind of lean carb
09:00 am - 1 scoop of whey and milk
11:00 am - Tuna and Rice
01:00 pm - Lunch, lean meat, potatoes or rice and vegetables
03:00 pm - bananas, 1 scoop whey and tuna
04:00 pm - (Pre-training) 1 scoop of whey, 1 scoop of dextrose or powerade/gatorade
04:20 pm - (Peri) same as pre-training
05:30 pm - (Post) 1 scoop of whey
06:30 pm - Meat, lots of carbs, vegetables
08:00 pm - More milk
10:00 pm - 1 scoop of whey.
Sleep.
Since I’m 238 lbs at the moment I think I’m getting enough protein for my current BW.
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What’s “enough” though? People can make gains on fairly low protein levels, but that never cut it for me… At 238 in your condition if you really want to push your progress and your routine is crazy enough, I’d go with ~400-450 per day… 350 would be okay, but ya know… You’re getting to the size where you have to really work for your gains, esp as a natty…
Try counting it sometime, just to see where you’re at. Only things that really matter when getting big (for an overall healthy guy) imo diet-wise, protein intake per day and total cals (obviously total cals are less important if you want to stay at a weight, i.e. you’d just keep them at whatever level allows you to do that).
Check out Hungry4More’s change in progress when he switched to a diet like that… Night and day, and he actually has to stay at a fairly low bodyweight of 195-205 or something like that due to the marine’s rules… And he does Marine PT in addition to training pretty much every day. Low volume per lift usually, 1-2 top sets, but very high frequency per bodypart. (that’s one way to do it, routine wise)
Food choices can vary a great deal from person to person, but as far as overall approach to diet he’s pretty much the poster boy for what I’d consider “perfect” for strength gains.
Anyway, good luck man.
Thanks for the help C_C, I’m gonna give it a try counting my protein and getting more of it. Now that you mentioned H4M, I always wondered how he managed to look like that at a, relatively low weight.
Anyway thanks man, I really needed the guidance.
[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Numbers go up? You just said you deaded 465x12 and you’re unsatisfied? Your progress is pretty unbelievable man. You taken any vids yet? [/quote]
Yep man I did film some stuff and posted it a few pages back, I’m having to sneak my camera to the gym since I had a verbal exchange with the gym staff because of it, they don’t want me filming because it “expose the clients”. I filmed some crap since then but it sucked so much I didn’t even bother myself with it. I’m changing gyms soon so I plan to post videos with every entry.
I’m unsatisfied because while some lifts go up, others suck. Took me 2 years to get my MP to 200, I can bench 300x5 but 310 won’t budge, I can box squat a shit load but can’t back squat for shit. There are also minor problems, like my upper back injury, knee and tigh injuries and there’s my weak grip and weak forearms.
I’m sure it probably happens to a lot of people but it does get me very angry with myself.
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That’s all mental man. You’re mind fucking yourself on the bench. Oh, I feel you on the back squats. After my knee surgeries my traditional squat hurts like shit, but I can box squat basically pain free. Do you foam roll or do mobility stuff? If not I can’t recommend it enough.
I pvc roll a lot. As for mobily the only thing I do is thoratic mobily with the pvc.
Yeah man you may be right, I can’t bring my mind into the lift, I can’t “psych up” to lift like most people do, but I never though it as being that important. I’d be still be box squatting if they hadn’t removed the bigger plates and the box.
December 14, 2010: Quads
8 platesx15
10 platesx12
12 platesx10
380x5
400x5
410x5
430x5
440x3+ 1 fail
600x15
650x12
680x8
200x12x2
245x15x2
Giving 5x5 a try for squats, I need to learn this lift all over again.
December 15, 2010: Shoulders, Bis
110x12
110x12
170x12
190x8
200x6
180x10
55x12x2 sets
45x10x2 sets
65x10x3 sets
Then I failed with bis. Did Barbell curls where I couldn’t lift even 75% of what I did last week. The wrist issue is just making this whole thing suck. They replaced the preacher bench with another one that’s so horrible to use I gave up and went home.
I’m dropping barbell curls out of my training. Doesn’t do much for my biceps and only seems to make me angry, I gotta find out something that works for me.
Seems everything conspired this week to prevent me from doing cardio. It was a bitchy boss making me work extra hours, preventing me from waking up in time, to a knee injury. Finally I got something done today.
December 17, 2010: Cardio
Woke up before first ligth, popped a few caffeine tablets
Ran 1.5 mile fastened.
Went home and slept.
Note: Disturbed songs are the best supplement for cardio, gym, HIIT, and pretty much everything. You become more of a man when you listen to it. I think I’m even growing a beard… i wish.
Note on neural charge training:
Interesting how things just seem to drop on your lap when you are just starting to look for them. Next year, before I start 5/3/1, I was planning on doing AM/PM work. Since I’m not a genius with program planing, I was about to give up on that idea when I open T-Nation and see the new video right there. I’m not the kind of person that believes in everything there is in an article and changes his training each week acording to said article.
But I might incorporate Thibs principles somewhere next year. What got my attention on Neural Charge training is the “activate and re-program your body” thing. If this is true it seems like a viable replacement for my morning cardio.
Just 20 minute training that can boost your muscle activation, teach your body to not store fat and get you ready for heavier training absolutely blew my mind. I’m not putting down my skeptic side, but I watched the videos and saw how Thibs transformed Daryl’s physique for the Olympia, so why not try it for my self ?
Anyway, since I’m talking about “next year”, I might finally be able to get some Biotest for myself, and some other stuff, to help with my muscle gaining purposes.
Update in the injuries:
Upper back pain is finally starting to decrease, neck mobility is comming back and my thigh seems to be better. Still “fat” though.
December 17, 2010: Back, Calves
168x12
185x8
185x8
200x6
200x6
200x4
… stretch lats for 2 minutes, twice.
260x10x3 sets
160x6x2 sets
… stretch lats for 2 minutes, twice
245x10
245x10
245x10
400x10x3 sets
460x10
460x11
Then a heavy 5x8 set of calf raises on the leg press. Mimics a donkey calf raise perfectly.
Oh, turns out I had no cellulite. I have sligtly striated glutes, which cause that impression when my bodyfat is high. On the down side, I did had to show my ass to a doctor… Got owned by my own genetics.
[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
Note: Disturbed songs are the best supplement for cardio, gym, HIIT, and pretty much everything. You become more of a man when you listen to it. I think I’m even growing a beard… i wish.[/quote]
You… listen… to… Disturbed?
Soul mate! ;D
[quote]Nikki9591 wrote:
[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
Note: Disturbed songs are the best supplement for cardio, gym, HIIT, and pretty much everything. You become more of a man when you listen to it. I think I’m even growing a beard… i wish.[/quote]
You… listen… to… Disturbed?
Soul mate! ;D
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Disturbed, Sevendust, System of a Down. Pretty much anything with a guitar and that gets my “good” anger up ;D