Gonna owe 36 grand
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
If I were going to pay for grad school, it would have been for a trade like an MD, JD, DDS, or engineering.
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If someone has to pay for grad school (PhD) in engineering, it is highly likely they are better off getting a job and saving up some money, then reapplying in a few years. A PhD degree in engineering should be funded either by a fellowship or the research adviser. A few years of experience can make the difference between receiving funding or not.
[quote]24Animal7 wrote:
Gonna owe 36 grand[/quote]
Dude, that is nothing compared to what you will make in your first 5 years out of college. I would go with the 6K per year you said in your OP and build up some savings to put toward a nice house or grad school. An MBA combined with an engineering degree equals a shit ton of money.
[quote]NAUn wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
If I were going to pay for grad school, it would have been for a trade like an MD, JD, DDS, or engineering.
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If someone has to pay for grad school (PhD) in engineering, it is highly likely they are better off getting a job and saving up some money, then reapplying in a few years. A PhD degree in engineering should be funded either by a fellowship or the research adviser. A few years of experience can make the difference between receiving funding or not.[/quote]
I always thought you engineers usually had to pay for grad school. Learn something new every day, huh?
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
After a quick look I found a rule of thumb. “Total debt shouldn’t exceed first years wage.”
BuildingUp, yer screwed. Lol Hopefully there’s a different rule of thumb for doctors.[/quote]
That seems like a good rule, but MDs generally wind up making very good money so I don’t think that have have much trouble paying off their debt, although I have heard that it is becoming more of a problem and is deterring some people from applying to med school.
If I were going to pay for grad school, it would have been for a trade like an MD, JD, DDS, or engineering. I wouldn’t pay for any other type of graduate degree. For pretty much all the other types of graduate degrees, the only ones really worth it will offer to waive tuition in exchange for you working as a TA or RA like I did.
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So is a masters degree basically worthless? I’d like to have an advanced degree, as well.
CS
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What field and what do you want to do career wise?[/quote]
International affairs/political science. After the military, I want to work for the CIA or the State Department or something.
CS
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]NAUn wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
If I were going to pay for grad school, it would have been for a trade like an MD, JD, DDS, or engineering.
[/quote]
If someone has to pay for grad school (PhD) in engineering, it is highly likely they are better off getting a job and saving up some money, then reapplying in a few years. A PhD degree in engineering should be funded either by a fellowship or the research adviser. A few years of experience can make the difference between receiving funding or not.[/quote]
I always thought you engineers usually had to pay for grad school. Learn something new every day, huh?
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Yeah I didn’t find out until pretty late in undergrad. I would think that departments would have an incentive to share this information with their students.
[quote]NAUn wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]NAUn wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
If I were going to pay for grad school, it would have been for a trade like an MD, JD, DDS, or engineering.
[/quote]
If someone has to pay for grad school (PhD) in engineering, it is highly likely they are better off getting a job and saving up some money, then reapplying in a few years. A PhD degree in engineering should be funded either by a fellowship or the research adviser. A few years of experience can make the difference between receiving funding or not.[/quote]
I always thought you engineers usually had to pay for grad school. Learn something new every day, huh?
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Yeah I didn’t find out until pretty late in undergrad. I would think that departments would have an incentive to share this information with their students. [/quote]
Looks like I’m getting a heads up. Sweet!
[quote]TooHuman wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
It is harder to learn calculus on your own and even harder (read impossible) to get a job as an engineer or scientist with no degree.
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Bullshit. Their are plenty of engineers that work as contractors or in small companies with niche specialties, especially computer science related specialties. In fact for certain specializations, a BS is completely worthless.[/quote]
Computer programmers are not engineers unless of course they have a computer engineering degree.
In Canada at least, you have to have a degree be an engineer. I’m fairly certain its illegal to use “Engineer” in your job title (my old job title was such a case) if you don’t have an engineering degree.
So, sure you can get a job advising or programming or something - but you will not be getting a job as an engineer.
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]NAUn wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
If I were going to pay for grad school, it would have been for a trade like an MD, JD, DDS, or engineering.
[/quote]
If someone has to pay for grad school (PhD) in engineering, it is highly likely they are better off getting a job and saving up some money, then reapplying in a few years. A PhD degree in engineering should be funded either by a fellowship or the research adviser. A few years of experience can make the difference between receiving funding or not.[/quote]
I always thought you engineers usually had to pay for grad school. Learn something new every day, huh?
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Nah, most engineering grad students get some sort of RA/TA money or a fellowship, at least at upper-level schools. I took a term off after finishing undergrad to wait until my M.S. advisor had some funding come through. Wasn’t about to drop $25K for one semester when I could wait a couple months, continue at my internship, then come back with tuition paid + stipend.
[quote]OBoile wrote:
[quote]TooHuman wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
It is harder to learn calculus on your own and even harder (read impossible) to get a job as an engineer or scientist with no degree.
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Bullshit. Their are plenty of engineers that work as contractors or in small companies with niche specialties, especially computer science related specialties. In fact for certain specializations, a BS is completely worthless.[/quote]
Computer programmers are not engineers unless of course they have a computer engineering degree.
In Canada at least, you have to have a degree be an engineer. I’m fairly certain its illegal to use “Engineer” in your job title (my old job title was such a case) if you don’t have an engineering degree.
So, sure you can get a job advising or programming or something - but you will not be getting a job as an engineer.[/quote]
Don’t mind him, he is just a little upset about a conversation we were having over in PWI where he was kind enough to explain to me about how scientific experiments are performed and how funding for scientific experiments works. I am sure glad he did because I always wondered how that stuff worked.
What you say about a masters in science fields doesn’t sound promising…
I owe 40k for both my undergrad and grad school after getting a masters in environmental science. I’m trying to get work in the field. I’ve had one interview in 2 months since graduating. Not sure if that’s bad or good. I’ve been shot-gun applying to everywhere in Houston.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
What you say about a masters in science fields doesn’t sound promising…
I owe 40k for both my undergrad and grad school to get a masters in environmental science. I’m trying to get work in the field. I’ve had one interview in 2 months since graduating. Not sure if that’s bad or good. I’ve been shot-gun applying to everywhere in Houston.
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I won’t lie to you, it will be rough. Environmental science jobs are getting pretty rare these days. You might want to try and find some work that will take you oversees or think about a PhD or a trade degree. Most PhD programs for scientific fields will waive tuition if you work as a TA or RA plus a stipend. Law school tends to be a popular choice among those with a master’s in a scientific field. Environmental law may appeal to you or you may be able to get a job as a patent attorney.
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
After a quick look I found a rule of thumb. “Total debt shouldn’t exceed first years wage.”
BuildingUp, yer screwed. Lol Hopefully there’s a different rule of thumb for doctors.[/quote]
That seems like a good rule, but MDs generally wind up making very good money so I don’t think that have have much trouble paying off their debt, although I have heard that it is becoming more of a problem and is deterring some people from applying to med school.
If I were going to pay for grad school, it would have been for a trade like an MD, JD, DDS, or engineering. I wouldn’t pay for any other type of graduate degree. For pretty much all the other types of graduate degrees, the only ones really worth it will offer to waive tuition in exchange for you working as a TA or RA like I did.
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So is a masters degree basically worthless? I’d like to have an advanced degree, as well.
CS
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What field and what do you want to do career wise?[/quote]
International affairs/political science. After the military, I want to work for the CIA or the State Department or something.
CS[/quote]
For fields like that, a master’s will probably be worth it then especially the CIA. If you go into the military as an officer I think they even have programs for you to go to grad school while you are in.
Interesting. You guys know about the job prospect/wages for ergonomics? I’ll be applying for that next year. I just finished my undergrad in Kinesiology.
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
What you say about a masters in science fields doesn’t sound promising…
I owe 40k for both my undergrad and grad school to get a masters in environmental science. I’m trying to get work in the field. I’ve had one interview in 2 months since graduating. Not sure if that’s bad or good. I’ve been shot-gun applying to everywhere in Houston.
[/quote]
I won’t lie to you, it will be rough. Environmental science jobs are getting pretty rare these days. You might want to try and find some work that will take you oversees or think about a PhD or a trade degree. Most PhD programs for scientific fields will waive tuition if you work as a TA or RA plus a stipend. Law school tends to be a popular choice among those with a master’s in a scientific field. Environmental law may appeal to you or you may be able to get a job as a patent attorney.[/quote]
The statistics from the environmental science department for those who graduated with a masters at my school is 100% for getting a job in a related field or for going on to pursue further education within 6 months of graduating. Not sure how they gathered their statistics. I really love science. The only other thing I can imagine doing is teaching science at the college level and for that I need the PhD. I’ll be willing to work hourly jobs even if it takes a few months.
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
After a quick look I found a rule of thumb. “Total debt shouldn’t exceed first years wage.”
BuildingUp, yer screwed. Lol Hopefully there’s a different rule of thumb for doctors.[/quote]
That seems like a good rule, but MDs generally wind up making very good money so I don’t think that have have much trouble paying off their debt, although I have heard that it is becoming more of a problem and is deterring some people from applying to med school.
If I were going to pay for grad school, it would have been for a trade like an MD, JD, DDS, or engineering. I wouldn’t pay for any other type of graduate degree. For pretty much all the other types of graduate degrees, the only ones really worth it will offer to waive tuition in exchange for you working as a TA or RA like I did.
[/quote]
So is a masters degree basically worthless? I’d like to have an advanced degree, as well.
CS
[/quote]
What field and what do you want to do career wise?[/quote]
International affairs/political science. After the military, I want to work for the CIA or the State Department or something.
CS[/quote]
The government has an irrational love of masters degrees. Having one qualifies you for a LOT more jobs. It doesn’t even matter what field the degree is in, if you have spent any time on a government jobs website you will find a lot of the best jobs now require a graduate degree for no particular reason other than to weed out applicants.
Working for the state department is an entirely different matter. My sister is in the foreign service on the political track, which is just about the top job a regular person can land at the state department.
The only qualifiers for the foreign service are an undergraduate degree and your performance on an aptitude test. I’m not sure what sort of qualifying bonus you get for military service. The test is knowledge-based and heavily related to US/world history and pop culture (i.e. movies, sports, music) - they want people who know the USA inside and out representing them overseas.
The test is very extensive though and many people study for a year or two before attempting it. People in her accepted class ranged in age from fresh college grads to people in their 50s… it all comes down to the test and a series of interviews.
[quote]challer1 wrote:
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]CSEagles1694 wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
After a quick look I found a rule of thumb. “Total debt shouldn’t exceed first years wage.”
BuildingUp, yer screwed. Lol Hopefully there’s a different rule of thumb for doctors.[/quote]
That seems like a good rule, but MDs generally wind up making very good money so I don’t think that have have much trouble paying off their debt, although I have heard that it is becoming more of a problem and is deterring some people from applying to med school.
If I were going to pay for grad school, it would have been for a trade like an MD, JD, DDS, or engineering. I wouldn’t pay for any other type of graduate degree. For pretty much all the other types of graduate degrees, the only ones really worth it will offer to waive tuition in exchange for you working as a TA or RA like I did.
[/quote]
So is a masters degree basically worthless? I’d like to have an advanced degree, as well.
CS
[/quote]
What field and what do you want to do career wise?[/quote]
International affairs/political science. After the military, I want to work for the CIA or the State Department or something.
CS[/quote]
The government has an irrational love of masters degrees. Having one qualifies you for a LOT more jobs. It doesn’t even matter what field the degree is in, if you have spent any time on a government jobs website you will find a lot of the best jobs now require a graduate degree for no particular reason other than to weed out applicants.
Working for the state department is an entirely different matter. My sister is in the foreign service on the political track, which is just about the top job a regular person can land at the state department.
The only qualifiers for the foreign service are an undergraduate degree and your performance on an aptitude test. I’m not sure what sort of qualifying bonus you get for military service. The test is knowledge-based and heavily related to US/world history and pop culture (i.e. movies, sports, music) - they want people who know the USA inside and out representing them overseas. The test is very extensive though and many people study for a year or two before attempting it. People in her accepted class ranged in age from fresh college grads to people in their 50s… it all comes down to the test and a series of interviews.[/quote]
When you say “regular person” are you defining that as someone with zero security clearance or just a civilian with no prior related background?
[quote]OBoile wrote:
[quote]TooHuman wrote:
[quote]Dr.Matt581 wrote:
It is harder to learn calculus on your own and even harder (read impossible) to get a job as an engineer or scientist with no degree.
[/quote]
Bullshit. Their are plenty of engineers that work as contractors or in small companies with niche specialties, especially computer science related specialties. In fact for certain specializations, a BS is completely worthless.[/quote]
Computer programmers are not engineers unless of course they have a computer engineering degree.
In Canada at least, you have to have a degree be an engineer. I’m fairly certain its illegal to use “Engineer” in your job title (my old job title was such a case) if you don’t have an engineering degree.
So, sure you can get a job advising or programming or something - but you will not be getting a job as an engineer.[/quote]
Within the US you do not have to goto college to have the term Engineer in your title at least in regards to IT
$65,000 in debt after graduating with a BS in chemical engineering in 2005. Have whittled it down to around $6000 now.
Fuck you Sallie.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
$65,000 in debt after graduating with a BS in chemical engineering in 2005. Have whittled it down to around $6000 now.
Fuck you Sallie.[/quote]
LOL