[quote]Rockscar wrote:
I like the jump straight to “Mexicans do jobs Americans Don’t want”…out of nowhere![/quote]
We agree on this one 
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Liberal is pro liberty [/quote]
I think that used to be true, but no more. Take a look at the freedoms that liberals would gladly take away from us if allowed to do so. Also, the larger the government (a liberal favorite) the less freedom the individual has. Government never gives something without taking just a little piece of your freedom in addition to a great deal of your money in order to pay for it.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Liberal is pro liberty [/quote]
I think that used to be true, but no more. Take a look at the freedoms that liberals would gladly take away from us if allowed to do so. Also, the larger the government (a liberal favorite) the less freedom the individual has. Government never gives something without taking just a little piece of your freedom in addition to a great deal of your money in order to pay for it. [/quote]
I think there is a movement in the Republican party that is trying to rewrite history and even the dictionary . IMO they are dumbing down their constituents . The influence of the moral majority is trying to convince the masses that conservatives are anti liberty in the name of Jesus . They want us to believe that Jesus is supposed to be considered in every facet of American Government . The result is anti liberty.
The thing I do not like about the true liberal is they think liberty should come before what it costs . I think we should have all the liberties we can afford
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Painful dialog, but I think it’s pretty right on…I’m sure you can make one the other way around…maybe.
This scene is a microcosm of how liberals seek to silence the opposition by censorship and leveling personal attacks while avoiding the issues at hand. It further elucidates their ignorance of the issues, their bad habits of changing the subject during the debate.
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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Liberal is pro liberty [/quote]
I think that used to be true, but no more. Take a look at the freedoms that liberals would gladly take away from us if allowed to do so. Also, the larger the government (a liberal favorite) the less freedom the individual has. Government never gives something without taking just a little piece of your freedom in addition to a great deal of your money in order to pay for it. [/quote]
I think there is a movement in the Republican party that is trying to rewrite history and even the dictionary . IMO they are dumbing down their constituents . The influence of the moral majority is trying to convince the masses that conservatives are anti liberty in the name of Jesus . They want us to believe that Jesus is supposed to be considered in every facet of American Government . The result is anti liberty.
The thing I do not like about the true liberal is they think liberty should come before what it costs . I think we should have all the liberties we can afford
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All you have to do is cut through your confusion (throw out your religious theories as they don’t really apply), and look at the facts. When government grows it does two things, the first of which is to take more money in taxes from the populace to pay for more government employees. The second thing that a larger government does is take more power from the people as it expands.
Take a look at a recent study:
[quote]According to a new study released by the Mercatus Center of George Mason University, some of the most liberal U.S. states rank lowest when it comes to personal freedom.
The study, which calls itself the â??first-ever comprehensive ranking of the American states on their public policies affecting individual freedoms in the economic, social, and personal spheres,â?? made a host of findings:
The freest states in the country are New Hampshire, Colorado, and South Dakota, which together achieve a virtual tie for first place. All three states feature low taxes and government spending – and middling levels of regulation and paternalism.
New York is the least overall free by a considerable margin, followed by New Jersey, Rhode Island, California, and Maryland.[/quote]
You are not a dumb guy take a look at this with an open mind. I think there is enough evidence which would lead any reasonable person to the conclusion that liberalism, not only doesn’t work but also steals many aspects of our freedoms.
pittbulll wrote:
ZEB wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
ZEB wrote:
I have what I think is a good resolution, would you like to hear it?
Zeb
A resolution to what ? I have no problems here
The irrelevant banter back and forth between us does not further the conversation on the thread. My suggestion, for the integrity of the board, would be for each of us to ignore the other persons posts. However, if you want to continue this nonsense, I can do that too. I just thought I would try to take the productive route.
The ball is in your court.
Zeb , i do not have this irrelevant banter with any body else.I personally think you must care more about this board than I . I come here because I consider us all like minded people and I do enjoy other points of view . But I will not sit and listen to any body spout shit . In person I may be a little more diplomatic but I would speak my mind in person as well.
My solution to your problem would be that you be a little more diplomatic . Don’t take this board so personally. Practice the Golden rule . Don’t think the Democrats are the only BAD party . Don’t think the Republicans are the only ones that do some good . Lighten up.
The ball is always in your court as well as mine
The point of my contact was to try to steer the threads in the direction of their intent. If every time I post you post after me and say something derogatory, and then I respond (which I will do) then the thread is derailed. And I don’t think it’s appropriate, or respectful for the other posters as they are not there to read about you and I name calling.
As I said before the ball is in your court. I will never hunt you down and post something nasty about you, as you did to me. But I will obviously respond. If you stop this nonsense I will certainly have nothing to respond to. If you further provoke me then it will continue. As you already know I am for the more sane of the two options.
As for hardcore political debates, I never have a problem with that. You and I have had some good ones, that is what the PWO threads are all about. You think you’re right and I think I’m right. That part of what we do is all good.
By the way it sounds like you grew up in a working class household, same here. My Dad was a tradesman and union guy all the way. When I got to be 18 we used to have some mighty strong arguments over politics. When they were over we’d have a glass of beer, or wine, whatever was around, and laugh like hell. I wish I could still have those talks with him, I really miss that.
Anyway take Care Pit,
Zeb
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You have to excuse me ZEB you confuse me do you want to engage in conversation or not ?
To answer you question , I believe an ideal government would implement all the Ideals of Liberalism, conservative , Progressive and traditional . Just my opinion
How very sad and true, you can’t have a dialogue.
[quote]Lordcliff wrote:
How very sad and true, you can’t have a dialogue.[/quote]
dialogue are for pussy`s, and here at PWI we are all dicks!! ( sarcasme )
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Painful dialog, but I think it’s pretty right on…I’m sure you can make one the other way around…maybe.
This scene is a microcosm of how liberals seek to silence the opposition by censorship and leveling personal attacks while avoiding the issues at hand. It further elucidates their ignorance of the issues, their bad habits of changing the subject during the debate.
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Wow, you sure are smart. This makes about as much sense i think.
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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Progressives suck. I wish Thomas Jefferson, Alexander Hamilton, John Adams, and James Madison had just kept quiet. [/quote]
Jefferson, Hamilton, Adams, and Madison are not the progressives of today. Again, another example of progressives pulling shit out of their ass.[/quote]
The conservatives of today are not the conservatives of long ago either. [/quote]
JFK was more conservative than most Republicans today.
BB:
So are most, if not all, of the “Blue Dog” Democrats.
Mufasa
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
JFK was more conservative than most Republicans today.[/quote]
And Eisenhower was more liberal than most Republicans today.
Back in the day the center must have been HUGE!
[quote]Spartiates wrote:
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
JFK was more conservative than most Republicans today.[/quote]
And Eisenhower was more liberal than most Republicans today.
Back in the day the center must have been HUGE![/quote]
You are exactly right. But the difference is that the middle was indeed center right almost through history. Some democrats leaned left and some republicans leaned right, but most right there somewhere in the center right, just like the voters. Obama will find that out today.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Spartiates wrote:
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
JFK was more conservative than most Republicans today.[/quote]
And Eisenhower was more liberal than most Republicans today.
Back in the day the center must have been HUGE![/quote]
You are exactly right. But the difference is that the middle was indeed center right almost through history. Some democrats leaned left and some republicans leaned right, but most right there somewhere in the center right, just like the voters. Obama will find that out today.
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These terms are so meaningless it’s not even funny.
Most Americans don’t have anything close to an articulated political philosophy, most have a handful of issues they care about, and don’t concern themselves with whether or not their positions are ideologically contradictory.
I think some one ought to stipulate what the words mean , I think most Christians think Traditional Christian values equates to the Conservative everybody is speaking of.
[quote]Spartiates wrote:
[quote]ZEB wrote:
[quote]Spartiates wrote:
[quote]Big Banana wrote:
JFK was more conservative than most Republicans today.[/quote]
And Eisenhower was more liberal than most Republicans today.
Back in the day the center must have been HUGE![/quote]
You are exactly right. But the difference is that the middle was indeed center right almost through history. Some democrats leaned left and some republicans leaned right, but most right there somewhere in the center right, just like the voters. Obama will find that out today.
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These terms are so meaningless it’s not even funny.
Most Americans don’t have anything close to an articulated political philosophy, most have a handful of issues they care about, and don’t concern themselves with whether or not their positions are ideologically contradictory.
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I agree with you most are too busy with their lives to be able to articulate a political philosophy, but they do know what they like. We all have likes and dislikes right? And most Americans dislike for example, higher taxes, abortion and handing money to people who don’t work for it. Just looking at these three issues will always expose someone like Obama as a far left politician. We won’t get into the reasons that he got elected, politics being what it is. However, in order to actually govern successfully you must have the American people behind you. And Obama found out on Tuesday exactly how out of step he is with American values.
JFK for example was for a strong military build up and lower taxes among many other center right ideas. Who are the democrats who think that way today, and how many of them are there?