Questions For Lixy:
How do we know that the people marching in the streets of Khartoum don’t speak the REAL voice of Islam?
Why are they NOT the mainstream of Islam?
[quote]lixy wrote:
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The Sudanese government is being hoisted with their own petard. If they release her, the swarming mobs of barbarians will think they condone calling a Teddy Bear ‘Muhammed’. The mobs will be after THEM.
She’ll probably be whipped and deported. 40 lashes sounds about right, to satisfy the beasts.
Surely someone else here sees the irony.
A government capable of murdering 300,000 of its own, coreligionists at that, is surely capable of flogging children and a a foreign teacher from an impotent Western country.
A teddy bear insults Islam more than does a genocide.
[quote]lixy wrote:
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Wow! Two muslims are fighting for her release. Impressive in magnitude.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Questions For Lixy:
How do we know that the people marching in the streets of Khartoum don’t speak the REAL voice of Islam?
Why are they NOT the mainstream of Islam?
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If the people in Khartoumn are the majority, then they ARE the mainstream. Simple as that.
If other muslims in other nations rise up and verbally attack this woman as was done with the Danish cartoons, then one would have to say that this is the majority.
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
A teddy bear insults Islam more than does a genocide.[/quote]
Wow, humanity means absolutely nothing to these people! What a crackpot religion. What “God” are they worshipping?
Every foreign Christian doing any type of aid work for Sudan should leave the friggin country asap.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Questions For Lixy:
How do we know that the people marching in the streets of Khartoum don’t speak the REAL voice of Islam?
Why are they NOT the mainstream of Islam?
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I fear they may be the real voice of Islam. We all know western, secularized Muslims that are terrific people but I doubt they are what Muhammad had in mind.
Same with Christianity. If you aren’t out trying to convert people and sacrificing all your wealth to take care of the sick and poor you are not a true Christian.
[quote]pat36 wrote:
lixy wrote:
Wow! Two muslims are fighting for her release. Impressive in magnitude.[/quote]
How many Muslims are in the House of Lords exactly?
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Questions For Lixy:
How do we know that the people marching in the streets of Khartoum don’t speak the REAL voice of Islam?
Why are they NOT the mainstream of Islam?
I fear they may be the real voice of Islam. We all know western, secularized Muslims that are terrific people but I doubt they are what Muhammad had in mind.
Same with Christianity. If you aren’t out trying to convert people and sacrificing all your wealth to take care of the sick and poor you are not a true Christian.[/quote]
And stoning gays and rebellious teens. Don’t forget that part.
The definition of a “true believer” of any of the Big Three makes me shiver in disgust.
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
And stoning gays and rebellious teens. Don’t forget that part.
The definition of a “true believer” of any of the Big Three makes me shiver in disgust.
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When Jesus halted the stoning of a prostitute, he challenged the mob by inviting any amongst them without sin to cast the first stone. Of course, he knew none would be able to step foward.
Yes, true believing Christians see homosexuality as sinful. But, as clearly illustrated by Christ, we’re all sinners, therefore, unable to cast stones.
If you’re talking about old testament style law, it’s a great deal different for Christians. And no, that’s not a cop out. Indeed, it was a major factor in prompting religious authorties of the day to turn Christ over to be crucified. Now, I’m not going to hijack this thread going into old/new covenant any further.
If you look back at the first christians, you’ll realize they weren’t chopping heads off, but having theirs chopped of. By pagans. Damn you pagans!!!
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Every foreign Christian doing any type of aid work for Sudan should leave the friggin country asap.[/quote]
Yep.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
And stoning gays and rebellious teens. Don’t forget that part.
The definition of a “true believer” of any of the Big Three makes me shiver in disgust.
When Jesus halted the stoning of a prostitute, he challenged the mob by inviting any amongst them without sin to cast the first stone. Of course, he knew none would be able to step foward.
Yes, true believing Christians see homosexuality as sinful. But, as clearly illustrated by Christ, we’re all sinners, therefore, unable to cast stones.
If you’re talking about old testament style law, it’s a great deal different for Christians. And no, that’s not a cop out. Indeed, it was a major factor in prompting religious authorties of the day to turn Christ over to be crucified. Now, I’m not going to hijack this thread going into old/new covenant any further.
If you look back at the first christians, you’ll realize they weren’t chopping heads off, but having theirs chopped of. By pagans. Damn you pagans!!!
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A) To argue semantics, that story was written into the margins by a monk much later after Jesus’s death, and adapted into the Bible afterwards.
B) I’m pretty sure the language is clear in saying (I’m paraphrasing) “If your son is rebellious, bring him in front of the town and stone him to death.” Not “he should be stoned” but “stone him”.
C) Jesus specifically states, in the Bible, that his words do not and shall never override the words of the old testament.
If anything, the Koran is much more forgiving to intellectuals than the bible is, as it was written in a time when Muslims were superior scientists, doctors, and artists.
If you believe Muslims and Islam have never been persecuted you’re sadly mistaken. The blunt truth is that Islam sucks right now, but all three suck equally throughout history.
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Questions For Lixy:
How do we know that the people marching in the streets of Khartoum don’t speak the REAL voice of Islam?
Why are they NOT the mainstream of Islam?
I fear they may be the real voice of Islam. We all know western, secularized Muslims that are terrific people but I doubt they are what Muhammad had in mind.
Same with Christianity. If you aren’t out trying to convert people and sacrificing all your wealth to take care of the sick and poor you are not a true Christian.
And stoning gays and rebellious teens. Don’t forget that part.
The definition of a “true believer” of any of the Big Three makes me shiver in disgust.
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I don’t really see Jesus stoning gays. I honestly think real Christianity would be the most peaceful thing, even moreso than Buddhism but for some fucking reason many/most Christians pay more attention to the old testament than the new.
Islam and Judaism can be pretty cut throat but I find no justification for that kind of behavior in Jesus’ teachings.
He will kick a little ass when money lenders are defiling the temple but I don’t see him killing or enslaving.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
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The definition of a “true believer” of any of the Big Three makes me shiver in disgust.
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Islam and Judaism can be pretty cut throat but I find no justification for that kind of behavior in Jesus’ teachings.
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Hmmm…time for me to brush up on my Hillel.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Questions For Lixy:
How do we know that the people marching in the streets of Khartoum don’t speak the REAL voice of Islam?
Why are they NOT the mainstream of Islam?
I fear they may be the real voice of Islam. We all know western, secularized Muslims that are terrific people but I doubt they are what Muhammad had in mind.
Same with Christianity. If you aren’t out trying to convert people and sacrificing all your wealth to take care of the sick and poor you are not a true Christian.
And stoning gays and rebellious teens. Don’t forget that part.
The definition of a “true believer” of any of the Big Three makes me shiver in disgust.
I don’t really see Jesus stoning gays. I honestly think real Christianity would be the most peaceful thing, even moreso than Buddhism but for some fucking reason many/most Christians pay more attention to the old testament than the new.
Islam and Judaism can be pretty cut throat but I find no justification for that kind of behavior in Jesus’ teachings.
He will kick a little ass when money lenders are defiling the temple but I don’t see him killing or enslaving.
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I really don’t see Muhammad or the Allah of the Koran blowing themselves up in a building.
Jesus, if he existed, was a way cool dude. Very peace loving and all that. But in the Bible, he “says” plenty that isn’t so great. That being that he specifically says that everything God has ever done or said through the Bible over rides everything else.
We really should just burn all of the Holy Books, and replace them with one sentence.
“Treat others how you would like to be treated.”
Seriously, all the good parts of every religion boil down to this. No fucked up system of reward and punishment, no ideas about the meaning of life, just treat everyone with respect. That’s the good part about religion. Everything else is fluff or evil.
Leave philosophy to philosophers. You don’t see many people dieing in the name of Socrates or Nietzsche (ok… debatable :D)
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
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The definition of a “true believer” of any of the Big Three makes me shiver in disgust.
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Islam and Judaism can be pretty cut throat but I find no justification for that kind of behavior in Jesus’ teachings.
Hmmm…time for me to brush up on my Hillel.
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I am no Bible expert but it seems God directed the Israelites to wipe out whole cities.
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Questions For Lixy:
How do we know that the people marching in the streets of Khartoum don’t speak the REAL voice of Islam?
Why are they NOT the mainstream of Islam?
I fear they may be the real voice of Islam. We all know western, secularized Muslims that are terrific people but I doubt they are what Muhammad had in mind.
Same with Christianity. If you aren’t out trying to convert people and sacrificing all your wealth to take care of the sick and poor you are not a true Christian.
And stoning gays and rebellious teens. Don’t forget that part.
The definition of a “true believer” of any of the Big Three makes me shiver in disgust.
I don’t really see Jesus stoning gays. I honestly think real Christianity would be the most peaceful thing, even moreso than Buddhism but for some fucking reason many/most Christians pay more attention to the old testament than the new.
Islam and Judaism can be pretty cut throat but I find no justification for that kind of behavior in Jesus’ teachings.
He will kick a little ass when money lenders are defiling the temple but I don’t see him killing or enslaving.
I really don’t see Muhammad or the Allah of the Koran blowing themselves up in a building.
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Muhammad was a killer and a slaver.