[quote]Mufasa wrote:
By the way…
I see nothing worng with instilling one’s own children with their beliefs.
Mufasa[/quote]
I think he is saying program kids ,
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Anyone who says, “I refuse to instill my values in my children…instead I will hope no one else does either and I will trust that my children will come up with their own values completely on their own and without my guidance,” is a fool. A stark, nakedly stupid fool.[/quote]
Very true indeed. Did you consciously try to instill values in them - or did they absorb that by simply being around you? Or both?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Excellent post.[/quote]
I agree.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Hot Tamale wrote:
I know for a fact that teachers are not ALLOWED to talk about politics to their students, unless of course they are teaching that particular curriculum. During the elections, teachers are also not allowed to discuss their own personal views about any candidates, the pros and cons of one candidate or another, or their views about the result of an election. This is probably why DMaddox got an apology from the teacher. So, if they are being “brainwashed” in school, as you say, then maybe you should bring this up with the school.
As for MarvelGirl, I sense your sarcasm, and your post is funny, but I do hope that every parent teaches their children to actually respect their teachers. It all starts at home, and parents are the most influential voices in a child’s life… not their teachers. A teacher spends less time with your children than their parents and their own friends do. A teacher’s job is difficult enough, without having to deal with disrespectful, arrogant children, no matter what age.
Children watch what their parents and other adults who are role models in their lives do. They imitate the behavior of adults, and repeat what they hear. As they get older, they imitate the behavior of their peers and friends. You can help to guide your own children, and your nephews and nieces. Monitor who they hang out with, and be vigilant of WHO you expose them to, and behaviors of your own that you expose them to. Teach them respect and to take responsibility for their own actions. Teach them the difference between right and wrong, and like the others said, teach them to think for themselves. You can’t control what they will think and do, but you can give them a strong foundation to make the best decisions for themselves.[/quote]
Excellent post.[/quote]
I agree. Thanks Hot Tamale for your insight. You must be a teacher or you spouse is. They might not be able to talk about it directly, but the children can read their body language of who the teacher is backing, and the way the teacher says the name and policy of the candidate. Our children need to learn about the process because it is the most basic right of an American Citizen, but the politics need not be discussed.
[quote]Hot Tamale wrote:
I know for a fact that teachers are not ALLOWED to talk about politics to their students, unless of course they are teaching that particular curriculum. During the elections, teachers are also not allowed to discuss their own personal views about any candidates, the pros and cons of one candidate or another, or their views about the result of an election. This is probably why DMaddox got an apology from the teacher. So, if they are being “brainwashed” in school, as you say, then maybe you should bring this up with the school.
As for MarvelGirl, I sense your sarcasm, and your post is funny, but I do hope that every parent teaches their children to actually respect their teachers. It all starts at home, and parents are the most influential voices in a child’s life… not their teachers. A teacher spends less time with your children than their parents and their own friends do. A teacher’s job is difficult enough, without having to deal with disrespectful, arrogant children, no matter what age.
Children watch what their parents and other adults who are role models in their lives do. They imitate the behavior of adults, and repeat what they hear. As they get older, they imitate the behavior of their peers and friends. You can help to guide your own children, and your nephews and nieces. Monitor who they hang out with, and be vigilant of WHO you expose them to, and behaviors of your own that you expose them to. Teach them respect and to take responsibility for their own actions. Teach them the difference between right and wrong, and like the others said, teach them to think for themselves. You can’t control what they will think and do, but you can give them a strong foundation to make the best decisions for themselves.[/quote]
I agree with all of this post EXCEPT “monitor who they hang out with”. As parents we want our kids to hang out with good kids so we have an instinct to try to push our kids in that direction. The fact is we don’t have any control and any influence we try to exert over our children’s choices will likely create unhealthy friction between the friends.
The best we can do is raise our children to be good friends and good influences on their friends. The type of children who are not followers but will lead the group into wholesome entertainment.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Anyone who says, “I refuse to instill my values in my children…instead I will hope no one else does either and I will trust that my children will come up with their own values completely on their own (and they will be good ones, I’m sure) and without my guidance,” is a fool. A stark, nakedly stupid fool.[/quote]
So did you give your kids your religion?
Did you give your kids your political party?
Did you sell your beliefs and values as “Truths” or did you let them know you could be wrong?
just wondering.
Instilling your own values/beliefs into your children can be good thing or a bad thing. It depends on You.
Personally, I was a blank slate till college. My parents were pretty hands-off. And I thank them for it. I turned out good 
[quote]on edge wrote:
[quote]Hot Tamale wrote:
I know for a fact that teachers are not ALLOWED to talk about politics to their students, unless of course they are teaching that particular curriculum. During the elections, teachers are also not allowed to discuss their own personal views about any candidates, the pros and cons of one candidate or another, or their views about the result of an election. This is probably why DMaddox got an apology from the teacher. So, if they are being “brainwashed” in school, as you say, then maybe you should bring this up with the school.
As for MarvelGirl, I sense your sarcasm, and your post is funny, but I do hope that every parent teaches their children to actually respect their teachers. It all starts at home, and parents are the most influential voices in a child’s life… not their teachers. A teacher spends less time with your children than their parents and their own friends do. A teacher’s job is difficult enough, without having to deal with disrespectful, arrogant children, no matter what age.
Children watch what their parents and other adults who are role models in their lives do. They imitate the behavior of adults, and repeat what they hear. As they get older, they imitate the behavior of their peers and friends. You can help to guide your own children, and your nephews and nieces. Monitor who they hang out with, and be vigilant of WHO you expose them to, and behaviors of your own that you expose them to. Teach them respect and to take responsibility for their own actions. Teach them the difference between right and wrong, and like the others said, teach them to think for themselves. You can’t control what they will think and do, but you can give them a strong foundation to make the best decisions for themselves.[/quote]
I agree with all of this post EXCEPT “monitor who they hang out with”. As parents we want our kids to hang out with good kids so we have an instinct to try to push our kids in that direction. The fact is we don’t have any control and any influence we try to exert over our children’s choices will likely create unhealthy friction between the friends.
The best we can do is raise our children to be good friends and good influences on their friends. The type of children who are not followers but will lead the group into wholesome entertainment.[/quote]
Hey On Edge, I appreciate your feedback. I totally understand where you’re coming from, so let me clarify. By monitor, I meant know who they hang out with, and that includes when and where… more like oversee and supervise. I didn’t say “control”. But let me tell you, we DO have influence on who they hang out with. I don’t recommend telling them who they can and cannot hang out with, but if we have healthy relationships with our children, we can convey to them our opinions and guide them, without causing friction. Of course, there will sometimes be cases when this causes friction, but that’s part of parenting, and you have to deal with it. But really, we are the parents, and ultimately we are responsible for our children, and have the right to know who they are with at all times. And we should voice our opinions, regardless of what they think of it. It’s called communication… an incredibly important dynamic in a parent-child relationship.
For example, with teenagers, if you see your child hanging out with someone who is detrimental to their well being, as their parent, it’s your job to keep them safe, and you should intervene, regardless of the friction you cause between them or between you and your child. Some parents think they have to tread lightly so as not to alienate their children, and yes, I agree that no one wants that. But the parents who keep a WATCHFUL but not controlling eye on their children will raise children who know their limits, and if you have children, you must know this is true. Anyway, I agree with you in that we don’t want to try to control them, and that we want them to be good influences on other people’s children.
[quote]espenl wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Excellent post.[/quote]
I agree.[/quote]
Thanks, Push, espenl, and Dmaddox too
Let’s start by not programming them to believe nonsensical fairy tales about space genies and angels.
I would give kids good, classic children’s books to read.
Obviously I’m not remotely a conservative, but if you’re concerned about old-fashioned values like personal responsibility, you can find it in classic children’s books. I was raised on them – the Narnia books, Peter Pan, The Water Babies, the E. Nesbit books. Mark Twain and Charles Dickens, maybe, if they’re good readers. And definitely T.H. White, The Once and Future King. It’s actually got a good take-down of communism, though it’s somewhat incidental.
And narrative history books – maybe Churchill’s history of England, but really any history. American history, certainly. I wish I’d known more of that growing up. I had essentially no history until the seventh grade, and then I was constantly in tears after class because I was moved by hearing about George Washington.
Getting kids in touch with the past probably makes them more used to holding themselves to high standards. That’s one thing that I think is bad about schools – they expect very little of children, and so if your only influence is school, you probably won’t turn out a success. Historical role models give a better sense of what to aspire to.
getting back to OP
since you mentioned hayek
heres a kid friendly rap
“Fear the Boom and Bust” a Hayek vs. Keynes Rap Anthem
it actually come with curriculum you can buy for high schoolers.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Let’s start by not programming them to believe nonsensical fairy tales about space genies and angels.[/quote]
You of all people haven’t been there and done that and don’t have the t-shirt. You are the punk ass, whiny 150 lbs. bitch boy on the Bodybuilding Forum telling Professor X how to bulk when it comes to this subject.
You are lost in space and your opinion isn’t even worth twopence.[/quote]
Oh I’m hurt. Where is the love?