Out of curiosity:
How often do you see men running into high HCT issues at doses of 150 and above?
And what is the recommendation of the docs you work with? Do they have a level at which they don’t feel comfortable any more?
I asked a few docs if they have a ‘number’ when it comes to this stuff. Some said they never saw higher than 55, some said 56, and some said 57. It was always one of those three numbers. They stated that in virtually all cases the patient was healthy and was symptom free. What they DO keep tabs on is if the patient presents with symptoms that could be related (high blood pressure) or if they begin to see platelets rising higher than they should be. They said that it is extremely rare for them to order a patient to do a phlebotomy, but that patients are free to do so if they wish. Guys living at altitude have these levels year round and they aren’t lining up at the blood banks. Higher levels of hematocrit and hemoglobin, according to them, are normal and to be expected on TRT (Erythrocytosis). Polycythemia Vera is a completely different animal (essentially a blood cancer). One does not lead to the other.
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Good study. I know for a fact that higher estrogen totally fucks my boners, thats why i sigh Every time someone says the more estrogen the better, talk about total ignorance.
He does have a decent physic. I’ll give him that. However, I didn’t ask for a shirtless pic, i asked if he lifted. He offered to send the photo as proof.
I agree with Danny’s overall message too. I just think he presents himself badly. I enjoy his videos, etc…
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@equel when you are making statements from the confines of your tiny box, it is the very definition of ignorance. There is a whole world out there and, again, the majority of men do not react the same way to testosterone as you do. I am glad you are feeling better though.
If I taught you ANYTHING you’d realize it was a stupid study as the men in the study are deficient in testosterone. They are blaming the high estrogen and ignoring the testosterone deficiency. You call this a “good study”?
TRT somewhat reminds me of Christianity and all the various denominations. We agree on 95% of it, but we argue about the 5%.
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@theinneroh your email (copy and pasted here without your contact info):
Subject: Shirtless photo request
Sounds to me that you wanted a shirtless photo. You made no mention about me lifting as I could have answered that question WITHOUT a photo.
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But many do, as apparent when u brows thru tons and tons of roid and trt boards. U Keep getting People turned off by your attitude and i totally can understand that. If u cant, just work in your self awareness.
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@equel We’re picking up 100 subscribers every 3 days on average. Doesn’t look like too many people believe that I am not credible. If what you’re saying was true, the channel would be tanking (like one in particular I can think of). Just saying!
You’re healthy now. Had I had more time with you we would have figured it out. There is one other guy in the FB group like you who can’t take more than 10mg a day without going into full blown anxiety. We are linking it to a SNP of their DNA that other guys like you seem to share. You are in the minority to say the least.
They say nothing of the other hormones. You know better. Anyone who has no free t , dht and high e2 will be unhealthy.
Its most likely genetic and strenght of receptors. Thats how i could Still have strong erections and decent libido and physique on 260 natty levels. But 1400 and libido and erections are dead.
@equel And now you got that figured out. You figured out that ‘normal’ protocols that work for everyone else don’t work for you. Isn’t that great?
No it is not doing what it’s supposed to, not always, remember naturally our testosterone and estrogen levels are low at night time, high in the morning, men on TRT have high levels more often and therefore higher levels of circulating estrogen, so the body isn’t doing what it’s supposed to be doing, all estrogen is via aromatase and not a combination of intratesticular estrogen and aromatase.
You tell me I don’t understand or comprehend what I’m talking about, but I see you have a problem with this yourself. The body stopped doing what it’s supposed to do the moment you began injecting testosterone and is now fighting for balance.
I see guys having problems with balance on T-Nation whether they are on TRT or not, but you keep saying the body will balance and do what it’s supposed to do. The body isn’t doing what it’s supposed to do which is why these men are here on T-Nation looking for help.
No issue here.
Perhaps my explanations haven’t been sufficient. Maybe it’s my fault for being a poor communicator. The guys in my Facebook are doing very well using these very simple and fundamental concepts. Most of the guys here want to argue about numbers and ratios and levels and estrogen and everything else they can think of EXCEPT just going back to basics and doing what works for everyone else.
So, by all means, continue with your extremely detailed and complex analysis of each new member that joins, asking them if they ever had magnesium checked or if they may be zinc deficient or if they may need some kind of drug to combat some kind of symptom.
I, on the other hand, take one look at their free T, ask if they have ever tried getting it a bit higher to see if it helps, and low and behold it does. Then we figure out how often they need to inject based on how they feel. They never ask about E2 because it’s never even discussed.
If you guys could just stop and realize how simple this whole thing is, you’d get it. Instead you turn it into the most complex thing ever that nobody seems to get right because there are always these millions of details that need to be addressed.
I like to keep things simple. Simple works more often than not. Simple is easy to troubleshoot if it doesn’t work.
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And yes, @johann77, obviously after ruling out if there may be a glaring issue that is causing them to be deficient in the first place (only because I see you commenting lol!)
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They should get blood work done and probably several imaging tests. From reading Sometimes we get guys in their 20s in here. You need to investigate cause before jumping in trt.
Endocrinology is very complex. It may take a couple of visits to a couple of endos and urologist to get to the bottom of it. If the causes are not determined if possible, I read many guys want to come off because of x y z. And they regret not fully investigating.
Possible causes…
Pituitary tumor
Adrenal tumor
Testicular tumors
Thyroid dysfunction
Mal nourished being on these fad diets
Severely obese
Cardiac issues
Low t can be a symptom of something more serious.
Agreed, which is why I wrote beneath it:
And yes, @johann77, obviously after ruling out if there may be a glaring issue that is causing them to be deficient in the first place (only because I see you commenting lol!)