[quote]saps wrote:
I have been taking dbol for the past 6-7 months on average 4 times a week. I take 40mg pre workout. During this time I’ve had my liver values checked. Both times including 6 weeks ago [after being on this dbol protocol for 5 months+] my liver values were right in the middle of normal range.
I have long asserted that the greatest myth in the AAS game is the danger of taking oral 17AA’s for more than 6 weeks. You’ll never sell me on that.
Now equally true what Im sure is no doubt assisting me with keeping me liver so normal is the infrequency of my dbol usage, viz., 4 times per week. Bill Roberts had some interesting conjecture about this and if I can find his post I will link it.
But basically I take dbol as a training booster and I leave it to my injectables to cover the rest. Like keeping my levels stable and consistent. Sure there is spike when I take the dbol but given the half life Im pretty much cleared out by the next morning.
Compare this to someone who takes dbol in smaller quantities say 5-10mg at a time but spreads it out throughout the day in theory to keep blood levels stable. This individual is asking his liver to process the dbol 4 times a day 28 times a week compared to my 4 times a week. Even if my quantity is higher.
Again Bill had the much more interesting and educated comments on duration vs quantity vs frequency[/quote]
I have a feeling you know this but to make it clear for whoever else reading.
I say that more than 2 months of normally dosed oral steroids isnt worth the risk because the large majority of people will not get their liver values tested. For those that do get the tests done you dont need someone guessing how your body will react.
Saps for the record. How many times are you going to the bar and pounding back alcohol until you cant walk straight?
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
I have a feeling you know this but to make it clear for whoever else reading.
I say that more than 2 months of normally dosed oral steroids isnt worth the risk because the large majority of people will not get their liver values tested. For those that do get the tests done you dont need someone guessing how your body will react.
Saps for the record. How many times are you going to the bar and pounding back alcohol until you cant walk straight?
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Great add-on and great question. I don’t drink hardly ever at all which also is probably why my liver is so ok. I’d rather take dbol daily than drink and it’d probably be easier on my liver too. Its the #1 arugment I counter with when people assert all this dbol will fry my liver. Now maybe I am an anamoly but we have tons of evidence on the damage alcohol does to the liver there is far less for 17AA orals. Again for those just causally reading Im not telling everyone to go out and take dbol for 6 months straight. I do it in a certain manner which could probably be termed unconventional. Plus as you correctly pointed out Im not just guessing what my liver values are I’ve had tests take in March and again in May. Equally true I dont actively take milk thistle or liv52 or any of these liver helpers. Either the virtual lack of alcohol gives me a good liver, Im a freak or some middle of the road combo.
I have no empirical evidence but I’d be shocked if you took 2 twins and gave 1 40mg of dbol 4 times a week and no alcohol and the other twin had no dbol but drank till he couldn’t walk straight even twice a week in 6 months I’d bet my house who’d have the worse liver.
Like anything in life or certainly the AAS game its about planning, knowledge and intelligence.
[quote]saps wrote:
I have been taking dbol for the past 6-7 months on average 4 times a week. I take 40mg pre workout. During this time I’ve had my liver values checked. Both times including 6 weeks ago [after being on this dbol protocol for 5 months+] my liver values were right in the middle of normal range.
I have long asserted that the greatest myth in the AAS game is the danger of taking oral 17AA’s for more than 6 weeks. You’ll never sell me on that.
Now equally true what Im sure is no doubt assisting me with keeping me liver so normal is the infrequency of my dbol usage, viz., 4 times per week. Bill Roberts had some interesting conjecture about this and if I can find his post I will link it.
But basically I take dbol as a training booster and I leave it to my injectables to cover the rest. Like keeping my levels stable and consistent. Sure there is spike when I take the dbol but given the half life Im pretty much cleared out by the next morning.
Compare this to someone who takes dbol in smaller quantities say 5-10mg at a time but spreads it out throughout the day in theory to keep blood levels stable. This individual is asking his liver to process the dbol 4 times a day 28 times a week compared to my 4 times a week. Even if my quantity is higher.
Again Bill had the much more interesting and educated comments on duration vs quantity vs frequency[/quote]
So saps you reckon taking the dbol all preworkout and on workout days only is the way to go? From a bodybuilding point of view that is. As you mentioned, people are always saying “omg need to have stable levels so you should space out dosages” but if you’ve got injectables running as well it shouldn’t mean too much yeah?
My first cycle was 11 weeks at 500mg per week Test E with the first 5 weeks stacked with 30 mg per day Dbol. I spaced out the Dbol into three dosages of 10 mg a day and if it were a workout day, I would take one 30 mins before my workout. Managed to keep 90% of my gains and looked much leaner despite gaining about 10 to 15 lbs. I used Letrozole daily while on and this drastically reduced all that water weight that is generally associated with Dbol usage. 40/40/20/20 with Nolva two weeks after my cycle and frankly I never noticed a drop off.
Interestingly enough my buddy decided to cycle with me as well, but ran a dbol only cycle for 6 weeks. He used letro with a nolva pct, yet still managed to lose the majority of his gains and could not “keep it up”.
[quote]GGlife wrote:
So saps you reckon taking the dbol all preworkout and on workout days only is the way to go? From a bodybuilding point of view that is. As you mentioned, people are always saying “omg need to have stable levels so you should space out dosages” but if you’ve got injectables running as well it shouldn’t mean too much yeah?
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Its my way to go. Your very correctly to assert that the slow release injectables is what keeps me stable. The dbol usage I got from my PL days when it was all about the training boost. I’ve just kept it that way. Try it and see if you like it. Im not saying its the only way to go however.
Ive found taking the dbol preworkout is more helpful. Although for me atleast, I notice little difference between 50mg preworkout and 30, hence Ive been using 30 lately.
At 50mg the strength and aggression are only slightly better, and the pumps, especially biceps and calves can be crippling and interfere with the workout.
Spaced through the day I feel it is not as effective overall. Although the constant appetite boost and “dbol high” is nice.
In argument of before training…Type II activity would after all be most effective during and after the workout, given the half life of dbol, and your body’s anabolic response immediately post training to replenish glyogen, etc, it makes sense to me atleast to use it during your most “responsive” window of the day.
To each their own, try both ways, see what you prefer, Ive noticed almost no changes in gains from all at once or split dosages. Although I feel the Type II activity from the test in my cycles probably makes the dbol overkill and diminishing returns with a split dosage, in a lower test cycle, it could play a much more significant role.
Yes I’ve tried 80mg a few times and if used sparingly 80mg is a better boost for me than 40mg however, 80mg can lead to extra cramping as westclock said and I cannot run the 80mg more than twice a week with at least 2 days between. Consecutive days of 80mg pre workout is cramp-city usa for me
