[quote]louiek wrote:
It’s not a diet for your mom.[/quote]
You don’t know my mom.
Don’t know if you recall a similar article by Dave about the crazy shakes he used to make? Would put half a jar of peanut butter, reeces pieces, ice cream, milk, whey etc. Pretty sure he had themed one’s also for the holidays.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Consul wrote:
Seems like a good way to get very fat and poor, very quickly. [/quote]
If you actually did that for a while and got some blood work done at the doctor, he would probably be terrified.
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Dave did fairly recently and to the results he turned his habits around while working with John Meadows. I don’t know of anyone whose body is more beat up than Dave’s
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Consul wrote:
Seems like a good way to get very fat and poor, very quickly. [/quote]
Fat perhaps, but not poor. McDonalds, Chinese, and pizza? That’s cheap as hell. Especially compared to a lot of people’s diets on here.
If you actually did that for a while and got some blood work done at the doctor, he would probably be terrified.
To be perfectly fair though, I have built a shit load of strength on McDonalds chow lol.[/quote]
That’s at least $40-50 dollars a day. That’s completely out of most peoples budget.
What these guys say they eat, I suspect, is a grandiose exaggeration. There are times, sure, right before a meet where they eat garbage like that by the ton to increase their bloat and leverages but they don’t eat that much on a daily basis. I know plenty of people that lift naturally and assisted and the assisted ones do not need to eat the same amount as someone that is natural. I honestly just think that based on the jokes that I’ve heard that they just make up ridiculous answers for the ridiculous questions that they get asked. You know, ask a silly question mentality?
I think this is more for painting a picture of what people who claim to not be able to put on weight “no matter how much I eat” need to do.
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
I think this is more for painting a picture of what people who claim to not be able to put on weight “no matter how much I eat” need to do.
[/quote]
I agree and that was part of my point, although I don’t think that I worded it very well. In other words:
a) skinny guy asks big guy how to get big
b) big guys tells skinny guy to train hard and eat a lot
c) skinny guy says that he does that and doesn’t work
d) big guy gets tired of telling skinny the same thing over and over again so comes up with exaggerated answer
Much like the over training discussions.
[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
I think this is more for painting a picture of what people who claim to not be able to put on weight “no matter how much I eat” need to do.
[/quote]
I agree and that was part of my point, although I don’t think that I worded it very well. In other words:
a) skinny guy asks big guy how to get big
b) big guys tells skinny guy to train hard and eat a lot
c) skinny guy says that he does that and doesn’t work
d) big guy gets tired of telling skinny the same thing over and over again so comes up with exaggerated answer
Much like the over training discussions. [/quote]
I’m guessing you haven’t read that piece. Tate says several times that Blakely was completely serious. It’s still way more money than anyone making less than 6-figures a year can spend on food daily.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
I think this is more for painting a picture of what people who claim to not be able to put on weight “no matter how much I eat” need to do.
[/quote]
I agree and that was part of my point, although I don’t think that I worded it very well. In other words:
a) skinny guy asks big guy how to get big
b) big guys tells skinny guy to train hard and eat a lot
c) skinny guy says that he does that and doesn’t work
d) big guy gets tired of telling skinny the same thing over and over again so comes up with exaggerated answer
Much like the over training discussions. [/quote]
I’m guessing you haven’t read that piece. Tate says several times that Blakely was completely serious. It’s still way more money than anyone making less than 6-figures a year can spend on food daily.[/quote]
I read the article. I still don’t think that part of it was without sarcasm. Most of those guys don’t make six figures either so how do those guys keep up?
What I was trying to point out is that they exaggerate things for those that claim to be hard-gainers. That is all. My husband is 6’3" and 280 pounds. I do most of the cooking and I know how much it takes for him to maintain that. It isn’t anywhere close to the suggestions in that article, not that I’m speaking for everyone but I do have something to base my opinion on.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
It’s still way more money than anyone making less than 6-figures a year can spend on food daily.[/quote]
QFT
[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
I think this is more for painting a picture of what people who claim to not be able to put on weight “no matter how much I eat” need to do.
[/quote]
I agree and that was part of my point, although I don’t think that I worded it very well. In other words:
a) skinny guy asks big guy how to get big
b) big guys tells skinny guy to train hard and eat a lot
c) skinny guy says that he does that and doesn’t work
d) big guy gets tired of telling skinny the same thing over and over again so comes up with exaggerated answer
Much like the over training discussions. [/quote]
I’m guessing you haven’t read that piece. Tate says several times that Blakely was completely serious. It’s still way more money than anyone making less than 6-figures a year can spend on food daily.[/quote]
I read the article. I still don’t think that part of it was without sarcasm. Most of those guys don’t make six figures either so how do those guys keep up?
What I was trying to point out is that they exaggerate things for those that claim to be hard-gainers. That is all. My husband is 6’3" and 280 pounds. I do most of the cooking and I know how much it takes for him to maintain that. It isn’t anywhere close to the suggestions in that article, not that I’m speaking for everyone but I do have something to base my opinion on.[/quote]
Search for the Big Boys Menu Plan by JM Blakley on google. Blakley is as serious as a heart attack about this shit.
[quote]Ty Carlson wrote:
[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
I think this is more for painting a picture of what people who claim to not be able to put on weight “no matter how much I eat” need to do.
[/quote]
I agree and that was part of my point, although I don’t think that I worded it very well. In other words:
a) skinny guy asks big guy how to get big
b) big guys tells skinny guy to train hard and eat a lot
c) skinny guy says that he does that and doesn’t work
d) big guy gets tired of telling skinny the same thing over and over again so comes up with exaggerated answer
Much like the over training discussions. [/quote]
I’m guessing you haven’t read that piece. Tate says several times that Blakely was completely serious. It’s still way more money than anyone making less than 6-figures a year can spend on food daily.[/quote]
I read the article. I still don’t think that part of it was without sarcasm. Most of those guys don’t make six figures either so how do those guys keep up?
What I was trying to point out is that they exaggerate things for those that claim to be hard-gainers. That is all. My husband is 6’3" and 280 pounds. I do most of the cooking and I know how much it takes for him to maintain that. It isn’t anywhere close to the suggestions in that article, not that I’m speaking for everyone but I do have something to base my opinion on.[/quote]
Search for the Big Boys Menu Plan by JM Blakley on google. Blakley is as serious as a heart attack about this shit.[/quote]
There are other diet articles by Blakley where he approaches it with a little more grey area. He warns against letting your body fat get to dangerous levels. He advocates cardio at least 3 times a week. Blakley also informs us that this is a temporary diet used to manipulate body weight for leverages and that when your competition is over that you should try to return to your previous body weight and maintain as much of the added strength as you can. Also, he tells others to have blood work done and have a doctor monitor their weight gain. There is clearly two sets of people that he is referring to: the skinny guy that can’t gain and the competitive lifter.
Well Jackie, you are definitely a woman 'cause you seem incapable of admitting that you’re wrong and letting it go.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Well Jackie, you are definitely a woman 'cause you seem incapable of admitting that you’re wrong and letting it go.[/quote]
Okay, so let me get this right…men discuss and women don’t let things go? Gotcha, thanks!
It’s just internet discussion and looking at things from more than one point of view. I don’t take it too seriously, hopefully you don’t either. Ad hominem away if you choose, doesn’t hurt my feelings any. lol
[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Well Jackie, you are definitely a woman 'cause you seem incapable of admitting that you’re wrong and letting it go.[/quote]
Okay, so let me get this right…men discuss and women don’t let things go? Gotcha, thanks!
It’s just internet discussion and looking at things from more than one point of view. I don’t take it too seriously, hopefully you don’t either. Ad hominem away if you choose, doesn’t hurt my feelings any. lol[/quote]
Just jackin’ with ya. Hopefully didn’t offend too much.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Well Jackie, you are definitely a woman 'cause you seem incapable of admitting that you’re wrong and letting it go.[/quote]
Okay, so let me get this right…men discuss and women don’t let things go? Gotcha, thanks!
It’s just internet discussion and looking at things from more than one point of view. I don’t take it too seriously, hopefully you don’t either. Ad hominem away if you choose, doesn’t hurt my feelings any. lol[/quote]
Just jackin’ with ya. Hopefully didn’t offend too much.[/quote]
Doh!
Just kidding, none taken. We’re good. 
[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Well Jackie, you are definitely a woman 'cause you seem incapable of admitting that you’re wrong and letting it go.[/quote]
Okay, so let me get this right…men discuss and women don’t let things go? Gotcha, thanks!
It’s just internet discussion and looking at things from more than one point of view. I don’t take it too seriously, hopefully you don’t either. Ad hominem away if you choose, doesn’t hurt my feelings any. lol[/quote]
This made me laugh pretty hard. The sarcasm hits home as almost everything from my mouth is sarcastic
Back on topic - I followed Dan Johns advice with the peanut butter sandwiches. I put on weight which included both muscle and fat. Being in my late thirties the % of fat is higher than it would be if I was 18, but it was worth doing and you only focus on 2 week blasts.
Currently I am cutting through summer, but will do it again in the autumn. Hopefully I will get an additional bounce on the growth then too (Dan John actually recommends dieting before a short bulk).
So…short term food blasts can be productive. The bigger point is that a person is talking crap when they say they cannot gain weight - they just have to eat like the bigger guy (very few guys lose weight during a holiday binge).
Weight gain that is muscle only is the complicated bit.