Damn Christians are at it Again...

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[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

It’s fantasy to YOU. You have no idea of the actual history that surrounds Christianity and the Bible. You condemn things you know nothing about. And Christianity is the only thing that people like you are allowed to condemn without ever having read the Bible, much less actually study religion.
[/quote]

Funnily enough, it wasn’t until I actually studied Christian doctrine in an academic setting that I became militant about it.

My parents did me the favor of not indoctrinating me from early childhood. You see, children are stupid, naive, and gullible. And when they are told fantastical lies by adults who they trust unquestioningly, it is only natural that they believe those lies. The lie then becomes so familiar to them that by the time they have become intelligent enough to critically evaluate claims, it has far too strong a hold on them.

When you are spared from that cruel indoctrination, however, and you (as an intelligent adult) read things like “a snake told a woman to eat an apple” or “a man put two of every animal on Earth in a boat to survive a big flood” or “a man lived for three days inside a whale that had swallowed him” or “a virgin had a baby” or “a man walked on water” or “a guy was killed and then rose from the dead”, you have a pretty fucking difficult time respecting the book from which the stories came or, for that matter, the people who for some unspeakable reason have decided to devote their lives to the preposterous mythologies of bygone primitives.[/quote]

Speaking of naivete…[/quote]

Push beat me to it.

“Funnily enough, it wasn’t until I actually studied Christian doctrine in an academic setting that I became militant about it.” Priceless.
[/quote]

Care to explain to me which substantive part of my post was so naive? Was it the part about the talking snakes? Or the living in whale?

You people are unbelievable.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

It’s fantasy to YOU. You have no idea of the actual history that surrounds Christianity and the Bible. You condemn things you know nothing about. And Christianity is the only thing that people like you are allowed to condemn without ever having read the Bible, much less actually study religion.
[/quote]

Funnily enough, it wasn’t until I actually studied Christian doctrine in an academic setting that I became militant about it.

My parents did me the favor of not indoctrinating me from early childhood. You see, children are stupid, naive, and gullible. And when they are told fantastical lies by adults who they trust unquestioningly, it is only natural that they believe those lies. The lie then becomes so familiar to them that by the time they have become intelligent enough to critically evaluate claims, it has far too strong a hold on them.

When you are spared from that cruel indoctrination, however, and you (as an intelligent adult) read things like “a snake told a woman to eat an apple” or “a man put two of every animal on Earth in a boat to survive a big flood” or “a man lived for three days inside a whale that had swallowed him” or “a virgin had a baby” or “a man walked on water” or “a guy was killed and then rose from the dead”, you have a pretty fucking difficult time respecting the book from which the stories came or, for that matter, the people who for some unspeakable reason have decided to devote their lives to the preposterous mythologies of bygone primitives.[/quote]

Speaking of naivete…[/quote]

Please go on. I’d love to hear how my skepticism of stories about talking animals is a mark of my naivete.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

It’s fantasy to YOU. You have no idea of the actual history that surrounds Christianity and the Bible. You condemn things you know nothing about. And Christianity is the only thing that people like you are allowed to condemn without ever having read the Bible, much less actually study religion.
[/quote]

Funnily enough,[/quote]

Funnily enough?

[quote]it wasn’t until I actually studied Christian doctrine in an academic setting that I became militant about it.

My parents did me the favor of not indoctrinating me from early childhood. You see, children are stupid, naive, and gullible. And when they are told fantastical lies by adults who they trust unquestioningly, it is only natural that they believe those lies. The lie then becomes so familiar to them that by the time they have become intelligent enough to critically evaluate claims, it has far too strong a hold on them.

When you are spared from that cruel indoctrination, however, and you (as an intelligent adult) read things like “a snake told a woman to eat an apple” or “a man put two of every animal on Earth in a boat to survive a big flood” or “a man lived for three days inside a whale that had swallowed him” or “a virgin had a baby” or “a man walked on water” or “a guy was killed and then rose from the dead”, you have a pretty fucking difficult time respecting the book from which the stories came or, for that matter, the people who for some unspeakable reason have decided to devote their lives to the preposterous mythologies of bygone primitives.[/quote]

Wow I am so blown away by your wisdom I just don’t know what to say. 22 years old and you have God, religion and the whole freakin universe all figured out. And of course you can’t possibly be wrong because you’ve never ever thought something was right and then later on it turned out to be the exact opposite, no that’s never happened.

Thumbs up kid!

(eye roll)[/quote]

I notice that, despite the fact that you typed out an entire paragraph in response to me, you haven’t volunteered even one single substantive criticism of my post. Just an ad hominem attack regarding my age.

Incidentally, since my age seems to be a topic of interest in more than just this thread, I’ll add that I am absolutely thrilled to be young, energetic, and looking at the bulk of my life through the windshield rather than the rear-view mirror.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

It’s fantasy to YOU. You have no idea of the actual history that surrounds Christianity and the Bible. You condemn things you know nothing about. And Christianity is the only thing that people like you are allowed to condemn without ever having read the Bible, much less actually study religion.
[/quote]

Funnily enough,[/quote]

Funnily enough?

[quote]it wasn’t until I actually studied Christian doctrine in an academic setting that I became militant about it.

My parents did me the favor of not indoctrinating me from early childhood. You see, children are stupid, naive, and gullible. And when they are told fantastical lies by adults who they trust unquestioningly, it is only natural that they believe those lies. The lie then becomes so familiar to them that by the time they have become intelligent enough to critically evaluate claims, it has far too strong a hold on them.

When you are spared from that cruel indoctrination, however, and you (as an intelligent adult) read things like “a snake told a woman to eat an apple” or “a man put two of every animal on Earth in a boat to survive a big flood” or “a man lived for three days inside a whale that had swallowed him” or “a virgin had a baby” or “a man walked on water” or “a guy was killed and then rose from the dead”, you have a pretty fucking difficult time respecting the book from which the stories came or, for that matter, the people who for some unspeakable reason have decided to devote their lives to the preposterous mythologies of bygone primitives.[/quote]

Wow I am so blown away by your wisdom I just don’t know what to say. 22 years old and you have God, religion and the whole freakin universe all figured out. And of course you can’t possibly be wrong because you’ve never ever thought something was right and then later on it turned out to be the exact opposite, no that’s never happened.

Thumbs up kid!

(eye roll)[/quote]

I notice that, despite the fact that you typed out an entire paragraph in response to me, you haven’t volunteered even one single substantive criticism of my post. Just an ad hominem attack regarding my age.

Incidentally, since my age seems to be a topic of interest in more than just this thread, I’ll add that I am absolutely thrilled to be young, energetic, and looking at the bulk of my life through the windshield rather than the rear-view mirror.[/quote]

Ouch that was harsh, someone make it stop. Actually, that was a good comeback.

Okay, if you look closely at my post there is some really good stuff there. What I said in essence was you think you’re correct right now, just like you did with other things in your life and found out that you were wrong. We’ve all done it. What you have right now is the exuberance of youth along with all of the inexperience to go along with it. And…we all did at your age.

So, really I didn’t mean to offend you, or maybe I did but now I’m a little sorry hmm. You seem like a good guy. And when I was 22 I pretty much felt the same way you do now. Did you know that the bulk of atheists in the US (and probably abroad) are young males? Do you think that’s a coincidence?

Just some food for thought -

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How the crap did that post by babytoy3 get in here?

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So smh23 points out some absurdities in a religious text. For this, Pushharder, Jeaton, and Zeb ignore his points and make personal attacks, calling him “naive” and insulting his age.

Yup. Par for the course here in PWI.

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[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

It’s fantasy to YOU. You have no idea of the actual history that surrounds Christianity and the Bible. You condemn things you know nothing about. And Christianity is the only thing that people like you are allowed to condemn without ever having read the Bible, much less actually study religion.
[/quote]

Funnily enough, it wasn’t until I actually studied Christian doctrine in an academic setting that I became militant about it.

My parents did me the favor of not indoctrinating me from early childhood. You see, children are stupid, naive, and gullible. And when they are told fantastical lies by adults who they trust unquestioningly, it is only natural that they believe those lies. The lie then becomes so familiar to them that by the time they have become intelligent enough to critically evaluate claims, it has far too strong a hold on them.

When you are spared from that cruel indoctrination, however, and you (as an intelligent adult) read things like “a snake told a woman to eat an apple” or “a man put two of every animal on Earth in a boat to survive a big flood” or “a man lived for three days inside a whale that had swallowed him” or “a virgin had a baby” or “a man walked on water” or “a guy was killed and then rose from the dead”, you have a pretty fucking difficult time respecting the book from which the stories came or, for that matter, the people who for some unspeakable reason have decided to devote their lives to the preposterous mythologies of bygone primitives.[/quote]

Speaking of naivete…[/quote]

Push beat me to it.

“Funnily enough, it wasn’t until I actually studied Christian doctrine in an academic setting that I became militant about it.” Priceless.
[/quote]

Care to explain to me which substantive part of my post was so naive? Was it the part about the talking snakes? Or the living in whale?

You people are unbelievable.[/quote]

It was the part where you were discussing the equivalent of studding the merits of the American way of life in the academic setting of the former USSR.

At 44, I have been alive twice as long as you. When I was your age, I was firmly agnostic. I mocked religion. I could talk extensively about the story of Mithra, or Osiris, or a handful of others. I could explain to you how the Three Kings represented the stars in Orion’s belt and how the sun (Son) dies, is buried and is resurrected on the third day of the vernal equinox. Just like you, I was quite the intellectual.
It was not until I was into my thirties that I began to have the perspective to examine the topic in a manner other that that of a “Myth Busters” episode.

BTW, at 22 I also thought I knew how parents should raise their children and most of your other highly developed intellectual capacities.

Just think, in 22 years you too can be an ignorant, mystical, fairy tale believer that worships an invisible sky God and brainwashes school age children.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
So smh23 points out some absurdities in a religious text. For this, Pushharder, Jeaton, and Zeb ignore his points and make personal attacks, calling him “naive” and insulting his age.

Yup. Par for the course here in PWI.[/quote]

Keep reading. You will eventually get there.

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[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
This is off topic so I won’t go into the number of school shootings, and general violence since prayer has been removed.[/quote]

Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Any other fallacies you have?
[/quote]

Give him time and he’ll use every single recognized fallacious argument construct and some hybrids too. Just watch.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
ACLU= against christian liberties union[/quote]

Churches collect billions of dollars a year without paying a dime in taxes, and people who contribute are allowed to deduct that contribution from their income for tax purposes.

Tell me again how badly Christians are persecuted.[/quote]

Mosques don’t pay taxes, so Muslims can’t be persecuted? Good to know.[/quote]

I think ALL religions are nonsense and Islam especially, so I’m not defending Islam at all. Once religion disappears, and it will, I hope Islam is the first to go.
[/quote]

Religion is part of human nature. Man has been trying to reconcile with G-d since the beginning of time.[/quote]

Yup. Man used to prey to the volcano god too, among other gods. You might say superstition is part of man’s nature, since the beginning of time, until now.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Reread my above post, I don’t have much to add to that. Other than to say, (once again) teachers are by nature liberal, they are PC and will be pushing an agenda. And tha’t NOT what teachers are being paid to do. And as has been mentioned by others they are not trained to even go there. But funny how we mentioned God in school and even prayed in school for 200 years and it didn’t harm a thing. This is off topic so I won’t go into the number of school shootings, and general violence since prayer has been removed.[/quote]

So following this logic, most teachers are not trained theologians - they are not trained in religious studies and it’s not what they are paid to do. So, no mention of anything religious or God-related. Focus more on improving math and science.

Agreed?
[/quote]

Zeb’s first rule of success: Do what works! What has worked is prayer in school. We had it for over 200 years. What does not seem to be working is having no prayer in school. Would you like to compare grades, behavior, and a list of other important values before prayer was taken out to today? No, no you woldn’t who would? And by the way most of the major (historical) colleges were all founded by Christians and they taught divinity as just another mandatory course. So they were indeed taught religion.[/quote]

Typical unfounded causation argument. Even a correlation is specious.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
We’ve gone too far trying to please these fringe groups at the cost of displeasing 99% of the rest of the people.
[/quote]

Newsflash: Christians are not 99% of the “rest of the people”.

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[quote]JEATON wrote:

At 44, I have been alive twice as long as you. When I was your age, I was firmly agnostic. I mocked religion. I could talk extensively about the story of Mithra, or Osiris, or a handful of others. I could explain to you how the Three Kings represented the stars in Orion’s belt and how the sun (Son) dies, is buried and is resurrected on the third day of the vernal equinox. Just like you, I was quite the intellectual.
It was not until I was into my thirties that I began to have the perspective to examine the topic in a manner other that that of a “Myth Busters” episode.
[/quote]

What perspective was that? What changed you?

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]JEATON wrote:

At 44, I have been alive twice as long as you. When I was your age, I was firmly agnostic. I mocked religion. I could talk extensively about the story of Mithra, or Osiris, or a handful of others. I could explain to you how the Three Kings represented the stars in Orion’s belt and how the sun (Son) dies, is buried and is resurrected on the third day of the vernal equinox. Just like you, I was quite the intellectual.
It was not until I was into my thirties that I began to have the perspective to examine the topic in a manner other that that of a “Myth Busters” episode.
[/quote]

What perspective was that? What changed you?[/quote]
T
I quit listening to what other people were telling me it was. Other students, professors, TV and film stars. I stopped letting those around be get by with simply taking a simple creation story or a flood story that was obviously written 3000 years ago and pretending that it was representative of the whole. I met some wonderful people who never mentioned Christ until I pulled it out of them, yet they had already hooked me with their love,grace and spirit.

I started diving deeper and tasting of the rich meat.

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[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:

[quote]JEATON wrote:

At 44, I have been alive twice as long as you. When I was your age, I was firmly agnostic. I mocked religion. I could talk extensively about the story of Mithra, or Osiris, or a handful of others. I could explain to you how the Three Kings represented the stars in Orion’s belt and how the sun (Son) dies, is buried and is resurrected on the third day of the vernal equinox. Just like you, I was quite the intellectual.
It was not until I was into my thirties that I began to have the perspective to examine the topic in a manner other that that of a “Myth Busters” episode.
[/quote]

What perspective was that? What changed you?[/quote]
T
I quit listening to what other people were telling me it was. Other students, professors, TV and film stars. I stopped letting those around be get by with simply taking a simple creation story or a flood story that was obviously written 3000 years ago and pretending that it was representative of the whole. I met some wonderful people who never mentioned Christ until I pulled it out of them, yet they had already hooked me with their love,grace and spirit.

I started diving deeper and tasting of the rich meat. [/quote]

Did any of those experiences convince you that the stories in the bible were literally true? Or that the religion served a bigger purpose, regardless of historical accuracy?

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[quote]JEATON wrote:

[quote]pushharder wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

It’s fantasy to YOU. You have no idea of the actual history that surrounds Christianity and the Bible. You condemn things you know nothing about. And Christianity is the only thing that people like you are allowed to condemn without ever having read the Bible, much less actually study religion.
[/quote]

Funnily enough, it wasn’t until I actually studied Christian doctrine in an academic setting that I became militant about it.

My parents did me the favor of not indoctrinating me from early childhood. You see, children are stupid, naive, and gullible. And when they are told fantastical lies by adults who they trust unquestioningly, it is only natural that they believe those lies. The lie then becomes so familiar to them that by the time they have become intelligent enough to critically evaluate claims, it has far too strong a hold on them.

When you are spared from that cruel indoctrination, however, and you (as an intelligent adult) read things like “a snake told a woman to eat an apple” or “a man put two of every animal on Earth in a boat to survive a big flood” or “a man lived for three days inside a whale that had swallowed him” or “a virgin had a baby” or “a man walked on water” or “a guy was killed and then rose from the dead”, you have a pretty fucking difficult time respecting the book from which the stories came or, for that matter, the people who for some unspeakable reason have decided to devote their lives to the preposterous mythologies of bygone primitives.[/quote]

Speaking of naivete…[/quote]

Push beat me to it.

“Funnily enough, it wasn’t until I actually studied Christian doctrine in an academic setting that I became militant about it.” Priceless.
[/quote]

Hmm…interesting, I have the same feeling. I didn’t become militant about the Church until I studied it in an academic setting. Now, I proudly call myself part of the Church Militant.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]smh23 wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

It’s fantasy to YOU. You have no idea of the actual history that surrounds Christianity and the Bible. You condemn things you know nothing about. And Christianity is the only thing that people like you are allowed to condemn without ever having read the Bible, much less actually study religion.
[/quote]

Funnily enough,[/quote]

Funnily enough?

[quote]it wasn’t until I actually studied Christian doctrine in an academic setting that I became militant about it.

My parents did me the favor of not indoctrinating me from early childhood. You see, children are stupid, naive, and gullible. And when they are told fantastical lies by adults who they trust unquestioningly, it is only natural that they believe those lies. The lie then becomes so familiar to them that by the time they have become intelligent enough to critically evaluate claims, it has far too strong a hold on them.

When you are spared from that cruel indoctrination, however, and you (as an intelligent adult) read things like “a snake told a woman to eat an apple” or “a man put two of every animal on Earth in a boat to survive a big flood” or “a man lived for three days inside a whale that had swallowed him” or “a virgin had a baby” or “a man walked on water” or “a guy was killed and then rose from the dead”, you have a pretty fucking difficult time respecting the book from which the stories came or, for that matter, the people who for some unspeakable reason have decided to devote their lives to the preposterous mythologies of bygone primitives.[/quote]

Wow I am so blown away by your wisdom I just don’t know what to say. 22 years old and you have God, religion and the whole freakin universe all figured out. And of course you can’t possibly be wrong because you’ve never ever thought something was right and then later on it turned out to be the exact opposite, no that’s never happened.

Thumbs up kid!

(eye roll)[/quote]

I notice that, despite the fact that you typed out an entire paragraph in response to me, you haven’t volunteered even one single substantive criticism of my post. Just an ad hominem attack regarding my age.

Incidentally, since my age seems to be a topic of interest in more than just this thread, I’ll add that I am absolutely thrilled to be young, energetic, and looking at the bulk of my life through the windshield rather than the rear-view mirror.[/quote]

Ouch that was harsh, someone make it stop. Actually, that was a good comeback.
[/quote]

lol I’m glad it was taken lightheartedly rather than harshly.

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[quote]JEATON wrote:

It was the part where you were discussing the equivalent of studding the merits of the American way of life in the academic setting of the former USSR.
[/quote]

Study is study, and fact is fact. And I know stupid shit when I see it.

As for the whole “I’m twice your age” thing…get over it man. It has literally nothing to do with what I wrote.

The great existential questions with which we are dealing are not revealed to you in some ceremony on your 30th birthday. They are older and more mysterious than the sun. You know nothing more of the nature of God or the origin of matter than do I. That I am half your age is absolutely inconsequential.

And if you think it isn’t…my father is agnostic and he is 69 years old–much older than you. Will you yield to him and admit that you’re nothing but an incompetent young fool in light of his advanced age? I didn’t think so.

Really…if you want to deal with anything I put in my original post (you still haven’t in any way, shape, or form), go ahead. I welcome intelligent debate. But shouting “I’m older than you” is not intelligent debate.

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[quote]CappedAndPlanIt wrote:
So smh23 points out some absurdities in a religious text. For this, Pushharder, Jeaton, and Zeb ignore his points and make personal attacks, calling him “naive” and insulting his age.

Yup. Par for the course here in PWI.[/quote]

lol it’s good to have an ally in here from time to time.