To anyone who comes across this thread for research purposes as I did…do not use Clen while on AAS.
Mousse,
I am wondering why you said not to use CLen while on AAS? I mean it depends on what results you want from your cycle but if trying to cut down with a good diet, then why not use it?
Close this theard or delete it. There is poor advice all over it and its almost 6 months old.
for a first cycle I wouldn’t over complicate it with too many compounds or variations in doses during the cycle.
normally i am a test only for first cycle supporter but if you are only looking for 10lbs of lean mass with low water retention and few sides then i see no reason that you couldn’t achieve your results with Primo and possibly some winny or masteron to go with it.
W 1-8 Primo 600mg/w
W 4-8 Winny 25mg/d
or
W 1-8 Primo 600mg/w
W 1-8 Masteron 200mg/w
If you want to kick this cycle up a bit you could add test to either one at about 300-400mg/w but you should realise that if you do this you will gain more than 10lbs and you will retain a bit of water. The masteron or winny will reduce it a bit though.
IMO if you are already lean (10%bf) adding 10lbs of lean mass will make you look jacked. You won’t need additional fat burners.
Just my 2 cents
I agree fully! although I have not done a Primo cycle, it is one that I have done alot of research on and have been doing so for a long time (bit of a geek I am lol)…but it does seem to sport what your looking for as FG said. low water, clean gains and low sides I hear too.
First cycle. It’s been said before, but apparently not enough since you insist on using advanced compounds. Use test. Period
Test enan: 500mg/week, 15 weeks
End of story.
15 weeks?
Most people will run it for 12 weeks.
And he is after only 10LBS and to stay lean, I mean I would go for test enan for my cycle, but this will bulk you up alot more.
For his goal I think FG is right and go for a steroid like Primo, not huge gains but they are alot more defined.
Im sure I posted again…anyway.
If he is only looking for 10LBS of lean clean muscle then Primo is the way to go.
I mean Enan is good! but its more of a mass builder so to speak out of the two, and as he stated he does not want to get huge, but stay lean.
Me I would use Enan if I was going for a chunk of muscle gain, and primo if I was only wanting a few pounds.
I must admit Enan is one powerful bit of juice!
HCG at the end is a must. Most do 2 days on 2 days off for clenbuterol here. I would throw in some proviron too 2 tabs daily shouls suffice.
Well once again… bad advice. tthinktank… please explain to the rest of us why hcg is a must at the end. Even for the guys that like to incorportate hcg into their cycles its not done on a cycle of primo or a test based cycle at 500 mg/wk for 10-12 wks.
I’ve said it before, but why don’t you just use test enan alone? It is a whole hell of a lot cheaper than what you’re planning right now. Not to mention probably more effective since it’s your first cycle.
[quote]DevinW wrote:
Mousse,
I am wondering why you said not to use CLen while on AAS? I mean it depends on what results you want from your cycle but if trying to cut down with a good diet, then why not use it?
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It’s just my 2 cents of research my friend feel free to take it or leave it.
My research has shown that “taking Clen with AAS has been known to exacerbate the negative cardiovascular sides Clen is known to cause. In short, it will fuck with your heart and much more so on AAS…hypertrophy of the heart isn’t good”
Peace
[quote]LillGuy001 wrote:
Well once again… bad advice. tthinktank… please explain to the rest of us why hcg is a must at the end. Even for the guys that like to incorportate hcg into their cycles its not done on a cycle of primo or a test based cycle at 500 mg/wk for 10-12 wks.
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I gotta chuck some props out your way for the “thinktank” remark…can’t stop grinning : )
I can’t believe this is still around. I am guessing that the OP has already done his cycle so we are just continuing the pissing match.
To clarify my post. I think Test only is the best idea for a first cycle in MOST cases (most guys are going for max muscle gain).
In some cases where the goal is only 5-10 lbs, lose a bit of body fat, and get more ripped you can use other compounds that have less sides (like primo or var). If primo and winny will do the job without the sides why not use em? Fuck some people make great gains (10+ lbs) on just 60mg/d anavar - with zero sides and very little shut down…can any of you tell me something wrong with that approach if that is the goal?
If you are like me and you want to gain as much muscle as possible then yes I would 100% agree that test is the best place to start and then to add stuff to each subsequent cycle to see what the effect is.
[quote]FuriousGeorge wrote:
I can’t believe this is still around. I am guessing that the OP has already done his cycle so we are just continuing the pissing match.
To clarify my post. I think Test only is the best idea for a first cycle in MOST cases (most guys are going for max muscle gain).
In some cases where the goal is only 5-10 lbs, lose a bit of body fat, and get more ripped you can use other compounds that have less sides (like primo or var). If primo and winny will do the job without the sides why not use em? Fuck some people make great gains (10+ lbs) on just 60mg/d anavar - with zero sides and very little shut down…can any of you tell me something wrong with that approach if that is the goal?
If you are like me and you want to gain as much muscle as possible then yes I would 100% agree that test is the best place to start and then to add stuff to each subsequent cycle to see what the effect is. [/quote]
Yeh I couldn’t believe it was still rolling either but it is…can’t argue with you FG; although I wasn’t aware you could put on that kind of muscle mass using Var alone, that’s interesting/good to know that it has been done.
Why do you guys prefer just Test-E for a first cycle, rather than Deca, or Deca + Test?
[quote]meepmister wrote:
Why do you guys prefer just Test-E for a first cycle, rather than Deca, or Deca + Test?[/quote]
Because your body will respond really well to just Test alone on a first cycle. Deca/Test is a great cycle but Deca stays in your system several weeks after your last injection and depending on whether you use PCT or taper (or both) it is critical that you are familiar with the half lives etc. Knowing how your body responded to Test alone will allow for more successful future cycles IMO.