I agree with that. You are correct in your message of harm reduction (but also no fun lol).
IME, what OP is proposing is moderate in Powerlifting. I know others who take what he is proposing for a weekly dose on a daily dose it seems (I also don’t think those individuals will live very long). Some of it comes down to luck. I likely won’t ever run Tren (my wife forbids it anyways).
Believe it or not, in person I can be quite a lot of fun to hang around provided the environment/occasion is right and calls for a good time. Harm minimisation doesn’t always inherently equate to not having fun. Taking necessary precautions/safeguards merely minimises the chances of things going tits up when making a decision of which has the potential to backfire tremendously down the line, whether this be within an acute or chronic context. Imagine going on a long hike without bringing a first aid kit or a large portion of water for hydration…
Acknowledging risks associated with a decision is the first step, then put in safeguards to minimise risks associated with said decision. Brushing things aside and hoping for the best compounds risk exponentially.
Harm minimisation can be applied to almost any scenario, even if said situation consists of flat out AAS abuse (not talking about OP). Even in extreme examples, like pumping a gram of tren per week; there are ways to make it “slightly less unhealthy”. If you are dead set on doing something that entails risk, make sure you look to minimise risk and/or pre-plan ways to deal with potential consequences.
@unreal24278 wonder what Lou ferrigno ,Arnold Schwarzenegger, roby Robinson, frank zane have to say about that “all in their 70s” besides Lou “he’s pushing 70” even though I did not mention anything about the long term use and harm of anabolics, sounds like someone hit a nerve?? And goes for my pic, I see ALOT of guys on here posting their pics. Are you the police? Do you tell them the same thing you are telling me ? Are you going to turn me in ? and my name or country is no where on my profile
And if it is on my profile how do I make my profile private so people like you can’t track me
There are also PLENTY of bodybuilders who drop in their 30’s, 40’s, 50’s and 60’s. Typically in relation to dilated cardiomyopathy (SCD), kidney failure, stroke and myocardial infarction. You’ve brought up examples of which encompass the genetic “cream of the crop”. Not all are so lucky
Though you did mention you’ve done eight cycles, I inferred from this you intend to be in the game for the long run. You didn’t hit a nerve either, I tend to get the feeling many are uninformed of the sheer risk associated with running harsh compounds (tren in particular).
This is a weak argument. I’ve seen people crush up and smoke painkillers. Should I do this too because I’ve seen others do it? (extreme analogy but you get my point)
Yes
No, I couldn’t care less about who you are. Rather this can effect future employment opportunities. No matter how small the chance, you’ve posted a pic of your face + identifying marks (tattoos) on a public forum talking about illicit drug use.
You can’t, what’s more I’m not going to track you.
They’re are also PLENTY of bodybuilders who does not drop and live long lives …so your argument is invalid …it’s not just the use of illicit drugs that makes people drop. it’s also the lifestyle they choose, and other drugs they put into their body on top of the anabolic , come on now I know you knew this. And we were talking about deca and BPC and controlling joint issues not the long term use and harm of anabolics.
If I wanted to know about sides and long term use of the drugs don’t you think I would of made a new topic pertaining to that subject
Yes I did mention I have a few cycles under my belt but I did not ask about long term use and harm from the use of my past and future cycles
Thanks anyways man
It isn’t, plenty of case reports regarding sudden cardiac death/adverse outcomes exist wherein the only variable present is the independent use of AAS. Genetics play a huge role, for some simply the variable of “AAS use” for ten years or so is what pushes them over the edge.
Fair enough, perhaps my commentary wasn’t relevant. I feel the need to highlight certain risks associated with use (particularly cardiovascular risk) when the use of tren is brought up. Many are legitimately unaware of the sheer power/associated risks using tren entails.
Anyhow, I wish you the best of luck at your meet. You look phenomenal in your pics! What weight class are you looking to compete in?
Thanks man sounds like you need to have a sit down with botslayer then. “The guy who told me on this thread he runs 1200 mg of test and 500 mg of Tren”, Compared to my soon to be 450 test and first time ever wanting to try Tren at 150mg and make him aware of what he is going to experience with continued use of Tren and test AT THEM DOSES.
but anyways thank you for the compliments on my pic I’m currently sitting around 228 pounds and plan on competing in the 242 pound class and plan on breaking some records
I compete raw and here are my raw lifts
Bench-495
Squat -600
Dead- 675
Holy shit… That’s a seriously impressive bench press…
All of those lifts are phenomenal, but the bench press stands out the most
There was a guy on here who was using 1g tren year round (and supposedly got up to 2g if I recall). He eventually stopped the tren, only to “cruise” on like 1g test/wk.
He won’t live long lol
450mg test 150mg tren is very reasonable. Props to using responsibly.
@unreal24278 thanks a lot …I would not be using Tren at all if I wasn’t going for a state bench press record so I have my reasons lol , bench was always my strong point and I really want this record so I’m going for it
I reckon you’ll break the record!!! You’ve come this far without tren, and you’ve got halo on board. Using those ace cards should considerably increase strength.
What’s the record you need to break?
512lbs is the record I’m wanting to break but in order to beat the record I have to beat by atelast 2.5 kg
Me too on bench being my lift, but not like yours. I intend on doing a push pull meet with numbers a bit over 400 / 600 @ 198. A buddy of mine is shooting for a 600 lb raw bench (he had done it touch and go in the gym @250 lbs weight). He is running a lot more gear than you are though.
Unreal does warn most on this site about long term risk. It is practically his calling card. He is right about the risks being higher than most realize (somewhere between what the media would have you believe and what the typical gym bro would tell you).
As to Botslayer, he has said that he understands the risks, and something to the effect of being here for a good time not a long time.
Well, I’m certainly no expert on powerlifting. But you have the ability to put on 14 lbs and you’ve got a whole cycle ahead of you.
22.5 lbs is a LOOOOT of weight to be adding to the bar with such advanced lifts to begin with. But from what I’ve heard about drugs like tren/halo it should be doable provided you give it all you’ve got. But then again… What do I know, I’ve never actually used tren or halo lol.
I’d never use trenbolone as I’m not a competitive strength athlete thus I don’t gauge the risk/reward profile as being in my favour. That being said this would be amenable to changing if I was diagnosed with say… A deadly or highly debilitating progressive illness. Halotestin I’d actually try down the line. It’s FDA approved for use as testosterone replacement. I’d be curious to try it out for a week or two just to see how it compares to straight testosterone. It’s clearly not appropriate for long term treatment of androgen deficiency, neither is methyltestosterone yet both are still approved for this use.
How much? I want to take my bench from 250 to 650 within the next fourteen days dammit. What do I need to take?
Was thinking 1000 mg methyltren/day
100mg halo/day
RIP my liver/kidneys
I don’t know exactly. I think he runs a lot of anadrol though. He jokes about high gear. The guy is a beast, but he will need to slow it down if he also wants long life.
Appreciate you guys just trying to look out. I do have a wife and 2 children so them and my life and health come first, my past cycles never included more then 450 mg of test and 20-30 mg of var or dbol and used drol once before as well. I like low doses idk I feel like I’m anabolic sensitive and don’t need higher doses. And like I said I wouldn’t be doing Tren ever but I really want this record.
Thanks guys I will continue to use this forum
I don’t know about that. Rather I think you’ve chosen to use intelligently coupled with a good dietary/training regiment. Many jump right into the deep end, blasting grams off the bat.
Many use WAAAYYYY too much, you’re a prime example of what can be done with a more nuanced approach and the results speak for themselves. Keep it up!!! I’m sure you’ll crush the meet 
Haha I guess so Thanks again brother I will keep you updated 