I’ll also post this by way of devils advocate. Coming from WIRED mag, who knows a thing or two about this sort of thing:
Well who in their right mind would not be afraid of THIS.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Well who in their right mind would not be afraid of THIS.[/quote]
Right? China probably helped with the cyber attack in some form.
I don’t agree with North Korea’s tactics and response.
What in the fuck was SONY thinking? They were using Kim Jung-un’s real name in the movie about the CIA wanting to recruit two reporters to assassinate him.
“Oh, well it’s a comedy!”
Who gives a fuck? The person in charge should have said “look this is a fucking funny movie, but we have to change the name of the leader before we can move forward with this. We can’t release a movie with the CIA trying to recruit some people to assassinate the bat shit crazy leader of a fucked up nation and use his actual name. We might need to change the countries name too. Hey, I got an idea lets say the name of the country is “Not North Korea, NNK””
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Well who in their right mind would not be afraid of THIS.[/quote]
The DPRK’s State Security Department is actually rather effectual.
Paramount is a bunch of pussies, too.
Boycott SONY for caving.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
I’d still do it personally, because fuck you guyScares the crap out of me that a little tin pot dictator can do this and not get any real rebuke or response of any kind from our government in return. I realize they are for all intents and purposes impotent to do anything to us, but it is a game of perceptions and I find it absolutely inconceivable that they would dare to do this under any other POTUS in the last 30 years.
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Let us not forget that the DPRK was caught illegally enriching uranium, improperly withdrew from the NPT, and became a nuclear weapons state during the Bush administration. How do those events compare to the Sony hacking scandal and vague threats of violence?
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
I’d still do it personally, because fuck you guyScares the crap out of me that a little tin pot dictator can do this and not get any real rebuke or response of any kind from our government in return. I realize they are for all intents and purposes impotent to do anything to us, but it is a game of perceptions and I find it absolutely inconceivable that they would dare to do this under any other POTUS in the last 30 years.
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Let us not forget that the DPRK was caught illegally enriching uranium, improperly withdrew from the NPT, and became a nuclear weapons state during the Bush administration. How do those events compare to the Sony hacking scandal and vague threats of violence? [/quote]
The difference is that they are now attacking us. Enriching uranium might piss us off, but a sovereign country can do what it wants. It will pay political/economic prices for it’s actions, but it’s not an “attack”. Same with withdrawing from a treaty. It didn’t “attack” us by doing that, it just said, “Fuck you, USA, we are going to do what we want, you are not the boss of me”. Which, frankly, is a stance I can understand given how the US likes to tell everyone on the planet what the fuck to do.
This time they broke into one of OUR citizen’s houses (Sony’s metaphorical house), stole valuable information, leaked damaging information and then THREATENED us. That is a very clear and distinct difference than enriching uranium and withdrawing from a treaty. Threatening us with a 9-11 style attack is an act of war.
But if you look at the big picture, this is just China testing us. Seeing if they can provoke a response. As expected, the Obama administration shows by it’s inaction that the US is just a big soft pile of rhetoric backed by nothing.
We KNOW that DRNK is behind this. We know that DRNK is just a proxy of China. Didn’t Obama just go kow towing around China? This is a direct “fuck you” from China… And we’ll go over there again and kiss their ass again.
What are we going to do in a few years when they actually have a decent Navy?
[quote]mbdix wrote:
The person in charge should have said “look this is a fucking funny movie, but we are huge pussies and have to change the name of the leader before we can move forward with this. We are too scared to release a movie with the CIA trying to recruit some people to assassinate the bat shit crazy leader of a fucked up nation and use his actual name. We might need to change the countries name too because again we’re huge pussies. Hey, I got an idea lets say the name of the country is “Not North Korea, NNK””
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Fixed that for you.
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Well who in their right mind would not be afraid of THIS.[/quote]
The DPRK’s State Security Department is actually rather effectual. [/quote]
It has to be. That is the one apparatus that has to be effective in a totalitarian regime in order to keep power.
Regarding my other post–I edited it right after posting to counter act my emotional response somewhat but it seems the edits never took hold at all.
[quote]mbdix wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Well who in their right mind would not be afraid of THIS.[/quote]
Right? China probably helped with the cyber attack in some form.
I don’t agree with North Korea’s tactics and response.
What in the fuck was SONY thinking? They were using Kim Jung-un’s real name in the movie about the CIA wanting to recruit two reporters to assassinate him.
“Oh, well it’s a comedy!”
Who gives a fuck? The person in charge should have said “look this is a fucking funny movie, but we have to change the name of the leader before we can move forward with this. We can’t release a movie with the CIA trying to recruit some people to assassinate the bat shit crazy leader of a fucked up nation and use his actual name. We might need to change the countries name too. Hey, I got an idea lets say the name of the country is “Not North Korea, NNK””
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Uh, we should be able to use his, the Ayatollah, Putin or anybody else we want to make a movie about. It’s our country and our right to do so. Nobody should be afraid to do this. But Hollywood is a bunch of pussies.
We had tons of fodder for movies from the Cold War. No problem. We shouldn’t be afraid from foreign sources to say and do what we want in our own country.
We have tons of fodder for making islamic terrorist movies, but don’t expect to see any. The chickens in hollywood don’t have the balls to face down an enemy who uses violence as a tactic. Yet, we should not be swayed by violence, it means violence works and will invite more of it. In fact, thats exactly whats going to happen. Because of Sony and the Administration’s ineptness to deal with this situation, we are no less safe. Since threats work, we can expect to be threatened more.
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
I’d still do it personally, because fuck you guyScares the crap out of me that a little tin pot dictator can do this and not get any real rebuke or response of any kind from our government in return. I realize they are for all intents and purposes impotent to do anything to us, but it is a game of perceptions and I find it absolutely inconceivable that they would dare to do this under any other POTUS in the last 30 years.
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Let us not forget that the DPRK was caught illegally enriching uranium, improperly withdrew from the NPT, and became a nuclear weapons state during the Bush administration. How do those events compare to the Sony hacking scandal and vague threats of violence? [/quote]
Well let’s see, the hacking scandal has caused Sony in excess of $100 million in stolen properties in and damage. Reputations are damaged. NK is exact behavior control in the US. I think it’s a pretty big deal. We can nuke N. Korea off the map if they want to get frisky with their little arsenal. Nuclear weapons are traditionally useless because reprisals are total annihilation. Unlike Iran, N. Korea cares if they die. They are atheists, there’s no 72 virgins for them, this life is it.
The big difference is they carried out grand larceny and threatened American lives on American soil. They did not carry out nuclear tests on American soil. They committed major crimes on American soil. They carried on with their nuclear program on their own soil. Huge differences. Threatening American lives is all ready a crime, they don’t have to do it to have committed a crime.
We need to get Un to the UN and arrest him while he is in America. Throw him in a assrape Federal prison.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]Bismark wrote:
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
I’d still do it personally, because fuck you guyScares the crap out of me that a little tin pot dictator can do this and not get any real rebuke or response of any kind from our government in return. I realize they are for all intents and purposes impotent to do anything to us, but it is a game of perceptions and I find it absolutely inconceivable that they would dare to do this under any other POTUS in the last 30 years.
[/quote]
Let us not forget that the DPRK was caught illegally enriching uranium, improperly withdrew from the NPT, and became a nuclear weapons state during the Bush administration. How do those events compare to the Sony hacking scandal and vague threats of violence? [/quote]
The difference is that they are now attacking us. Enriching uranium might piss us off, but a sovereign country can do what it wants. It will pay political/economic prices for it’s actions, but it’s not an “attack”. Same with withdrawing from a treaty. It didn’t “attack” us by doing that, it just said, “Fuck you, USA, we are going to do what we want, you are not the boss of me”. Which, frankly, is a stance I can understand given how the US likes to tell everyone on the planet what the fuck to do.
This time they broke into one of OUR citizen’s houses (Sony’s metaphorical house), stole valuable information, leaked damaging information and then THREATENED us. That is a very clear and distinct difference than enriching uranium and withdrawing from a treaty. Threatening us with a 9-11 style attack is an act of war.
But if you look at the big picture, this is just China testing us. Seeing if they can provoke a response. As expected, the Obama administration shows by it’s inaction that the US is just a big soft pile of rhetoric backed by nothing.
We KNOW that DRNK is behind this. We know that DRNK is just a proxy of China. Didn’t Obama just go kow towing around China? This is a direct “fuck you” from China… And we’ll go over there again and kiss their ass again.
What are we going to do in a few years when they actually have a decent Navy?[/quote]
If China had a hand they were a small player. I think we need to keep the pressure on N. Korea. I don’t want to expand in to conspiracies as to who else was involved, it’s time we make an example out of N. Korea.
I personally consider this hack of Sony to be awesome and a good thing?
Why?
Well, I look at this as a soldier. There are a finite number of ways to attack things, even computers. And the methods used tend to be derivative of one another, especially from groups like the Norks, China, and Pakistan.
So they used some very expensive and dangerous technology on a private company that made a movie mocking Kim Jong-un and his little limp penis.
Well, thanks!
We now know how this weapon works, can defend against it and variations of said weapon, and we will work to close this and similar vulnerabilities.
And we get the added benefit of reading emails (from fellow liberals) mocking Obama as a one-note bigot obsessed with race and find out the Angelina Jolie really is a no-talent bitch.
Sure beats them using this same tech to cause a nuclear meltdown or turning off the power during the Superbowl.
So anyway, thank you little fat Kim Jong-un for having such a fragile ego and limp penis that you were so bothered by a movie that you exposed years of espionage and probably billions of dollars of tech research to protect your vanity. Your fragile ego probably saved millions of lives!
So, Kim (may I call you Kimmy?) you did us a fantastic favor, and both amused us by your vanity and the fact that you exposed Hollyweirdos for what we thought they were.
Great job!
China? No. These threats come from the nepotistic personality cult of PDRK. Friends and/or families of the Kim Dynasty or their military/intelligence apparatus. This would be sanctioned by Jong-un himself because no one would dare do something like this without his approval. Jong-un likes to tie his enemies to poles and have his artillery units fire HE mortars at them. He’s also known to have had a large number of “disloyal” military officers burned alive. This regime is probably the most potentially dangerous and unpredictable on the planet.
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http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-conclusively-links-north-korea-sony-hack-165938859.html
http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-conclusively-links-north-korea-sony-hack-165938859.html
I’m blown away by how not serious people are not taking this.
This was an act of terrorism. The hack was an invasion/infiltration. Blackmail, coercion, and the threat of “9-11 style attacks” on movie theatres that would screen this movie? Think of the precedent this will set. I’m not trying to be dramatic, or trivialize the brutality of 9-11 attacks…but this is the infancy of a new age of terrorism. Granted, Sony is a corporation and not a Federal Building, or a jet plane full of passengers. But think of what this could lead to, and how destructive this style of attack will disrupt our way of life. Yes, it’s just a movie…but we really need to look past that and think of other things that could become targets. Our news media, as skewed and ridiculous as its become, is still ours. Our freedom of speech, expression, and going to the movies to escape and laugh. Imagine what this could easily snowball into.
[quote]Alrightmiami19c wrote:
Boycott SONY for caving.[/quote]
Boycott movie theaters in general. Don’t go see any movies at the theaters until this movie is released. That’s my take, they started the cave. Don’t reward them.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
China? No. These threats come from the nepotistic personality cult of PDRK. Friends and/or families of the Kim Dynasty or their military/intelligence apparatus. This would be sanctioned by Jong-un himself because no one would dare do something like this without his approval. Jong-un likes to tie his enemies to poles and have his artillery units fire HE mortars at them. He’s also known to have had a large number of “disloyal” military officers burned alive. This regime is probably the most potentially dangerous and unpredictable on the planet.[/quote]
I don’t believe China did this. I believe Kimmy went crying to China and China let him play with some of their technology.