Based on my results after 26 days, I agree with this assessment. My intent was to be pragmatic to avoid undesirable side effects, particularly androgenic/estrogenic side effects from the test and any kind of erectile or cardiac issues with the deca.
Thinking forward to my next cycle, what would you recommend for dosages assuming my blood work all looks good mid-cycle and post-cycle (I got the former done this morning, but no results yet)? I had planned to increase already, but I was on the fence about going to 500 or 600. I hadn’t considered increasing the deca because of the reports of cardiac “remodeling”, but perhaps I should.
If someone is really lean at 220, that is a lot of lean muscle.
I wouldnt consider doing less than 500 of anything.
My opinion on how to build cycles for big boys nowdays is - 750-1000mgs of test, with a deca or tren of at least 500mgs. If needed, can add primo or EQ, and also cycle orals on and off.
The difference between what i would suggest and what others would is the fact that i am mostly interested in results and sadly those do come with a risk but so does results in car racing or anything worth doing.
As far as cardiac remodeling - just do heart imaging every year and you will see if there is anything going on. It doesnt happen in 1 year. So if you do it every year, you will see if something is bad way before it will be actually worth stressing about.
I have been on loads of shit for years on end with no breaks. My echo shows just the amount of LVH that is “normal” for anyone who does any sports.
Its what my cardiologist said when i asked about this. If nothing happened to me so far, its impossible for my heart to suddenly go to shit in 1 year in between me coming in for a checkup.
Thanks for your response. So your comments were intended for your particular example.
I certainly hope so and wish you health. Electrical remodeling can be a nonlinear function of time but I am glad you are staying on top of your trajectory.
Electrical remodeling would be directly from the AAS (as opposed to indirect like high BP from AAS), right?
Would any med help with that? Maybe a beta blocker?
I do think it is wise to monitor the heart while using AAS, especially the simple stuff like BP and heart rate. I think some are better off with a BP med while on cycle (if they insist on cycling).
The vasospastic and direct myocardial models certainly give me pause about really pushing it again (assuming I have bad luck/genes and hank has good luck/genes). The idea of collagen deposition / myocyte apoptosis reaching critical mass and sending you over the edge in a very non-linear way with respect to time makes you think. It’s all very Russian Roulette.
With respect to two hypothesized models above, no idea. I know I get romantic about polypharmacy to combat the AAS sides, but it may be wishful thinking in some respects and with some effects.
I have a question about BP. Typically, I believe you’re supposed to measure in the morning and fasted… when I do this, my numbers are good-ish (130/75).
When I measure later in the day after food, exercise, and caffeine, my systolic (top) value is higher… in the 140s.
Is it a concern to be in the “high blood pressure” zone at any time? Or only in that basal fasted state in the morning?
Get it down. Think about your time averaged blood pressure over the course of the day. Keep a log and take your blood pressure at four equally spaced time points during the day with a good monitor outside the Doc’s office (if you are concerned).
Just to chime in. Your measurements are supposed to be in a relaxed state. You wouldn’t do it after activity before settling down for example. You may need 5-10 minutes of sitting still before doing a measurement.
I like to kinda average my measurements to get a bigger picture of what is going on. I don’t take the 115/75 all by itself, I also need to consider the 135/85 measurement. Kinda averaging them I think is good to understand overall risk. I think it also accounts for some lifestyle too. Like do you use a lot of caffeine? If so, your BP is probably higher later compared to just waking up.
I like your method. I probably need to be taking measurements throughout the day.
I use a lot of caffeine (by my standard); it’s my only real vice (I don’t drink or use recreational drugs). Typically, I’ll have two shots of espresso in the morning and 200mg of caffeine once or twice later in the day in the form of pre-workout or caffeinated beverages.
Unless you are in a chronically not relaxed state. That is bad too. Good points and make sure you understand your BP picture over course of day. Easy to rationalize.
Take at least 3 readings every time you do one and write down the average. Sit, relax, take deep breaths. If the first reading is 140, the third might be down to 128 as it is many times in my case.
