[quote]italian_stallion wrote:
Damn, if I was to shoot Eq every day fro the first three weeks, how much would I have to get? It seems like a lot.[/quote]
This really depends on the mg/ml of your equipoise. If you are using Vet products, you can expect your eq to be 50 mg/ml. Mexican - probably 100mg/ml. Underground gear I have seen anything from 200mg/ml to 300 mg/ml. Obviously if you gear is higher strengthed per ml, you will need to less frequent injections.
Just to clear things up before i try and post a revised cycle, how many mg of eq per week should be used in the first 3 weeks of the cycle? My Eq is 200mg/ml. Also what are the benefits of using the letrazol over say nolvadex. Nolva seemed to be a popular one. Or could proviron be used in place of the letrazol or nolva?
[quote]italian_stallion wrote:
Just to clear things up before i try and post a revised cycle, how many mg of eq per week should be used in the first 3 weeks of the cycle? My Eq is 200mg/ml. Also what are the benefits of using the letrazol over say nolvadex. Nolva seemed to be a popular one. Or could proviron be used in place of the letrazol or nolva?[/quote]
Keep your nolva for post cycle therapy, and get femara for your anti. Femara is just simply the best. It inhibits the aromatase enzyme from binding to the steroid molecule in the first place, meaning no extra estrogen is in your system period. It is also much better on lipid profiles then its older counterpart; arimidex, and actually increases IGF-1 levels where All other easily available ancillary drugs decrease them.
Now I know there is some debate that a little estrogen is good and contributes to some growth, however estrogen last a long time in the body, and from personal experience, not all estrogen is blocked at the receptor site by nolvadex as this drug just competes for the receptor site with estrogen. When it comes to post cycle recovery, the less estrogen you have floating around your body, the quicker and easier your recovery is going to be.
I can’t seem to find the letrozole anywhere, and it seems very very expensive. Does this have to be my only option? Can the proviron prevent gyno during the cycle?
yes proviron can help, but I wouldn’t depend on it alone. Use it in conjunction with nolvadex. Also, letrozole (femara) is not that expensive many research site’s have their version of liquid-letro, that is pretty reasonably priced - just do a search!
thanks P22… you’re the man, and you’ve been a big help
okay, so here is a revised cycle. not sure if its better than the original or what… please let me know.
Weeks 1-10
200mg Test Enan./week(shooting on Mon.)
400mg Eq/week (200mg Mon/200mg Thurs)
25mg proviron/day
1.25 mg liquid letro/day
Weeks 3-6
40mg dbol/day
Weeks 5-10
50mg winny/day
I also have the clomid for PCT. When is a good time to start this since the last injection of Test and Eq. will be on week 10. If everything looks ok, I’m gonna go with this. Since, this will be my first cycle, and considering everything else is solid (ex. diet, routine, rest), I’m curious as to what type of gains I will make on this cycle. Thanks
O.k looks good, but here is what I would do to have a better Begining, and ending to your cycle:
Take the last 3 weeks of eq, and subplant it on top of your 1st 3 weeks -1st 3 weeks - 800 mg/ wk of eq.
Take your last week of enantate and and subplant it on top of your first week - so you have 400mg in the first week
This is called FRONT LOADING!
you do this to get blood levels of the steroids in your system up to therapeutic levels as fast as possible. This way the best gains from the test and eq will begin in week 3, just as you begin your dbol. Your eq will stop at week 7, but there will still be plenty of eq releasing in your system all the way into week 11. Enantate will stop at week 9, but you should still have elevated test levels up untill week 11.
I suggest you double your proviron at the begining of the cycle, for the first 2 weeks, and also at the end of the cycle from week 8-11 (cut it out in the middle) This will help offset the effects of the falling hormone levels (as proviron binds to SHBG more advidly than any other steroid making [whats left of]the other steroids available to bind with the AR) Run your femara all the way to the begining of week 11, then switch to clomid - this will help ensure estrogen levels remain low which will guarentee a speedy recovery. I changed your dbol dose to 25mg/ day and ran it an extra week (25mg for this cycle is lots), so I could extend your winstrol and raise its dose the last two weeks of your cycle. So I basically took the drugs that you had and reworked the cycle to be %100 percent more effective, both in getting the best, most even blood levels for the longest posible time, and I also eliminated the waste of several weeks where your blood levels would have been tapering, which would have made for diminishing gains and a slow recovery. - this way your drugs are in your system and begin to work faster, and stay at a higher blood level for longer, then are quickly eliminated from your system so you can concentrate on recovery. Assuming your diet and training are good you could expect to gain as much as 30lbs on this cycle.
So this is how I would do it:
Week 1
Proviron 50mg/day
eq 800mg
test enathate 400mg
femara 1.125
Week 2
Proviron 50mg/day
eq 800mg
test enathate 200mg
femara 1.125
Week 3
Proviron 25mg/day
eq 800mg
test enathate 200mg
femara 1.125
Week 4
eq 400mg
test enathate 200mg
femara 1.125
dbol 25mg/day
Week 5
eq 400mg
test enathate 200mg
femara 1.125
dbol 25mg/day
Week 6
eq 400mg
test enathate 200mg
femara 1.125
dbol 25mg/day
Week 7
eq 400mg
test enathate 200mg
femara 1.125
dbol 25mg/day
Week 8
test enathate 200mg
femara 1.125
Winstrol 50mg/day
Week 9
25mg proviron/day
test enathate 200mg
femara 1.125
Winstrol 50mg/day
Week 10
50mg proviron/day
femara 1.125
winstrol 75mg/day
Week 11
50mg proviron/day
winstrol 75mg/day
Week 12
clomid 50mg/day
Week 13
clomid 50mg/day
Week 14
clomid 50mg/day
An easy beginner cycle would be test and dbol with nolvadex. All popular and easy to get.
Front load 750-1000mgs of test the first week and then go with 500mgs a week for the remainder of the cycle. Dbol 30mgs a day. You can up it if your not getting the results you want. And eat a lot. Pretty simple.
I’m gonna go with that cycle P22. The winstrol with the proviron should harden me up at th end, right?
Yes, I have said it before,winstrol is a good finisher for a cycle. The proviron will help harden, as well as keep your cycle going strong right up until the end. Good luck and let us know how you are doing on it.
I’m Just curious as to why the amt. of EQ is half that of test…I know it’s his first cycle, but if you’re going to do it, do it right. If it were ME, doing my first cycle I’d up the test to 400/500 and keep the EQ at 400mg, and include the dbol for weeks 1-4. I understand where you’re coming from P22 re:starting dbol at week 4, but for me, even w/ an adequate frontload I don’t feel as though my cycle begins until week 3-4(w/out adding an oral to kickstart). But by including an oral from the get-go, I “feel on” after a day or two. So essentially what you’d be doing is waiting for your cycle to start if you were to begin the dbol at week 4. Just my .02
MK
[quote]mikekatz wrote:
I’m Just curious as to why the amt. of EQ is half that of test…I know it’s his first cycle, but if you’re going to do it, do it right. If it were ME, doing my first cycle I’d up the test to 400/500 and keep the EQ at 400mg, and include the dbol for weeks 1-4. I understand where you’re coming from P22 re:starting dbol at week 4, but for me, even w/ an adequate frontload I don’t feel as though my cycle begins until week 3-4(w/out adding an oral to kickstart). But by including an oral from the get-go, I “feel on” after a day or two. So essentially what you’d be doing is waiting for your cycle to start if you were to begin the dbol at week 4. Just my .02
MK[/quote]
Hey bro, I have explained this before. The reason why we stack, is because one steroid has different actions than the other - i.e one works by binding to the AR while the other works by non-AR mediated actions. This is why it is best to wait untill blood levels of the eq and test have risen significantly before beginning dbol, as the drugs will have a much better synergistic effect on one another. Also most people experience the dbol backpump by week 3 or 4 of taking it, which hampers workouts. If you began dbol at the begining of your cycle, you would begin having these back pumps just around the time you had the highest levels of test an eq in your system, giving you the best oportuinity for outstanding gains, but sadly you would be unable to capitalize on them d/t the back pump. Thats why experience has taught me to limit the use of dbol to a few short weeks, just as you are reaching peak levels of class 1 AAS in your system
The goal should be to maximize your gains while on cycle, not just to have a juiced feeling for as long as possible during the cycle.
Ok, I see where you’re coming from now. You’re saying that not only will the test and EQ work synergistically, but by adding the dbol at the optimal time it will add synergy as well. I agree that doing a cycle is about maximizing your gains, but for some people the psychological effect of being “on” can contribute to more intense workouts, better eating habits etc. Maybe the best route to take would be limiting dbol to 2 week intervals throughout cycle. For instance, he could try weeks 1 and 2 w/ dbol then drop it for week 3 then add it again for weeks 4 and 5, then a week off and so on until cycle ends. For a 12 wk. cycle that would be 8 weeks on an oral, but you’d be giving yourself a break every 3rd week so w/ the proper supps. and a reasonable dose of dbol, your liver should be fine.
MK
Bro, you are forgetting that I have already added the proviron to the cycle to help the frontload kick in faster. adding, and then removing the dbol is like playing a yo-yo with your hormones. Psychologically speaking, if those injections aren’t going to get you into that ‘pumped on juice’ mind frame I don’t know what will. It has been my experience that taking dbol after a few weeks actually takes the wind out of the sails as far as workouts go. So, what’s better, feeling pumped up with extra water retention to feel all juiced up, or actually gaining some lean muscle? because taking the dbol from the begining of the cycle is only going to slow your workouts down later on in the cycle, (just when the other drugs are reaching peak concentrations), when you are forced to stop taking it due to the back pumps/ early fatigue that this drug inevitably causes. This cycle as I have laid out for the inventory he has, is planned perfectly - you have a 3 week loading phase, followed by a long growth phase that will continue all the way up to post cycle recovery
Ok, I started on Monday injecting 200mg test with 400mg Eq. I’m gonna do another 200 test w/ 400 Eq on Thursday. I’m noticing some dizziness though. I read in some past articles that that test and Eq could cause some flu like symptoms. Anyone else experience this with these drugs?
At this point I don’t believe you have been exposed to enough AAS to cause any hematologic effects. It could be all in your head at this point, or entirely unrelated to the cycle. If it was a allergic reaction you would have more symptoms than just dizzyness. Some people react to test and get what is called ‘the test flu’ where they experience flu-like symptoms. I personally have not had any to the said sides.
UPDATE:
Ok, so I’ve been on the test and Eq for the last two weeks. Frontloaded the test the first week, and have been frontloading the Eq for the last two weeks with one week to go. Haven’t really noticed any sides good or bad right now, but it seems from P22’s posts it takes about three weeks for the longer acting esters to kick in anyway even if i’m frontloading. I can’t wait to try out the dbols. Hopefully my gear is legit and I’ll start noticing some changes within the next week or two. Also been using the liquid letro. Is it supposed to burn like that going down?
I’ll let you know how it goes.
The liquid letro is most likely suspended in pure everclear alcohol, so yes it will burn going down - but it works!
As for you not have results yet - don’t worry - you will think your gear is fake untill one day you’ll wake up somewhere between week 3-4 and you’ll have exploded over night! Thats just the way it happens! Then you’ll continue to grow at a alarming rate for the next several weeks. trust me! 
So i’m in week 4 right now. Just started the d-bol a couple days ago. Starting to slightly notice some increases in strength, but no real dramatic explosions in size that were supposed to take place between week 3 and 4. Could it still occurr?
I also haven’t noticed any increase in appetite which you’re supposed to get while on Eq. The calories have actually been pretty low because I’m tryin to drop bodyfat. The only side effect so far is some bacne which makes me believe at least something I’m takin is real…lol.