I think the stasis taper is overkill for your first cycle, you are going to inject yourself for 20 weeks. That’s just too much.
If you have HCG do this
Week 1-8 test-e 500mg/week
Week OT 1-3, 8-10
Week 11-14 nolva/clomid PCT
Week 1-10 HCG and Adex
You can extend the injectable, if you are still gaining at week 8
If you do not have HCG
Week 1-6 test-e 300mg E3D (583mg/week) with a frontload
Week 5-8 OT 50mg/day
Week 9-12 Nolva PCT
If this is my first cycle, and /or have never used OT. I would actually do a standalone Tbol cycle 2-6 weeks (depend on how effective it is), 50mg/day. I have never used the drug, so I can not comment on it.
I would not run the stasis taper - you do not need to do it. Think about it like this - your age, your cycle length, your drugs chosen, your doses, your experience… do you really need to have a period of hormone replacement therapy to try to recover?
It will work but is over kill for your needs - a waste of money and time.
IF you really must do it… then you should leave a 2 week gap between the last cycle shot and the first stasis shot. Otherwise it is not going to support the best recovery you can achieve.
The frontload should be done the first DAY then you don’t have to wait a week for the levels to build - as with your current plan… I assume you are just scared of doing all that gear at once? If so remember that the total level is not going to be more than you eventually reach anyway.
0.125mg ED Adex is not enough. You are likely to need around 0.5mg ED, i would say at a minimum 0.25 ED. The sticky is wrong (in many ways) IMO. Furious George needs to update his posts i think…
Thanks guys. I was kinda thinking it may be overkill. I am going to order hcg, but go ahead and start my cycle when the remainder arrives. When I get the hcg, I will beging administering it.
Thanks Brook for the heads up on the arimidex. I will try .25 mg ED, and see how that works for me. If needed, I will use more. Also thanks for the heads up on the frontload. That makes sense since that is the total levels I will reach anyway. Now all I am doing is siiting and waiting for the rest of my gear to arrive!!
With it being your first cycle and only 6 weeks, a Pct is not manditory. If you use the nolvadex it may show more side effects hence revealing the truth to your girl. Nolvadex gives you acne like a bitch and is prob not necessary (you will not get bitch tits off a first time small cycle).
Orals IMO are stupid unless your experienced and need them for desired results. They fuck up your liver twice as bad and give you worse side effects. You would be much better off doing 6 weeks of sustanon 250…
1-6 sustanon 250mg 2x/week
1-8 armidex .25mg
If suffering bad side effects then
9-12 nolvadex 20 mg ed
injectables are much safer and you will notice better results and less side effects
This will not make you bodybuilder HUGE but it will put on some nice muscle and strength w/o the girlfriend finding out
[quote]mike402 wrote:
okay, im no pro but i have couple pointers.
With it being your first cycle and only 6 weeks, a Pct is not manditory. If you use the nolvadex it may show more side effects hence revealing the truth to your girl. Nolvadex gives you acne like a bitch and is prob not necessary (you will not get bitch tits off a first time small cycle).
Orals IMO are stupid unless your experienced and need them for desired results. They fuck up your liver twice as bad and give you worse side effects. You would be much better off doing 6 weeks of sustanon 250…
1-6 sustanon 250mg 2x/week
1-8 armidex .25mg
If suffering bad side effects then
9-12 nolvadex 20 mg ed
injectables are much safer and you will notice better results and less side effects
This will not make you bodybuilder HUGE but it will put on some nice muscle and strength w/o the girlfriend finding out[/quote]
Please - STFU.
The number of cycles has fuck all to do with requiring PCT or the likelyhood of gyno.
For someone so interested in minimising sides - you sure don’t use sustanon in the most sensible way… With his levels swinging up and down with his bi-weekly injects, he will be MUCH more likely to experience most of the sides associated with testosterone use.
One of the esters has a half life of 2 days… so if he injected EOD or better still daily - his levels would be nice and stable, reducing occurrences of gyno, water retention, acne, aggression…
‘Orals are stupid’? I am not even touching that one… Guess what else is stupid?
Tamoxifen can cause acne in some - as can AAS themselves. Most commonly however it is actually not from the Tamoxifen at all, but from the sharp(ish) drop in hormone levels that causes the acne.
A PCT should be done EVERY CYCLE, whether that is 2 weeks or 20.
And no, this nor any cycle on the planet will make someone a Bodybuilder. It takes a little more than that.
