[quote]NikH wrote:
I cant believe you guys are scared of a 7-10 year old.
He probably saw some horror movie and is just bullying you since you are obviously so easily frightened.[/quote]
Have you ever dealt with a child who doesn’t like you and is only 1 or 2 webpages away from understanding how he can accuse you of molesting him without any evidence?
Now take into account that this kid is a Patrick Bateman 2.0 in the making, do you feel confident in handling a wee child?
Well I can see how this would make one un easy because you can’t kick the kids ass, or really have anything done legally to him until he crosses the line. Just to add there’s some creepy kids in my neighbourhood who skin animals and this is in the city.
Some neighbour lady has phoned the humane society and the police and they still have done nothing. This was discovered after the sick fucks didn’t let their dogs out of their house for 10 days straight. Lack of parenting is my guess.
[quote]Robert A wrote:
Actual Answer:
Sorry to read this. Documenting what has been done is important, and talking to the child’s parents are the rational first step. I am glad you are doing that. If I read the post correctly your girlfriend has a rental property and the child is creating an issue with her tenant as well. Document the shit out of that. It may ultimately be the only real point of leverage you have.
I am going to put it out there that you are a decent enough judge of people/character to get when something is off. You make this sound like the kid is scary “off” and not a trust fund away from being eccentric “off”. Go with your gut. Sometimes the shunned/isolated kids are shunned for a reason and not purely meanness. It sounds like other children have noticed as well.
Take this seriously, but don’t blow it up worse than it needs to be. It could be a “cry for help”/looking for attention. It could be a sign of serious issue, but issue that won’t be a problem until the kid gets older/more dangerous and learns to hide it. It could be a sign that the child is a victim, that doesn’t preclude him also being a threat.
In addition to talking to the child’s parents, finding out if the other neighbors have noticed anything would be a decent option. This may or may not piss off the child’s parents. I will second the point about animal cruelty/dead animals. If your girlfriend has any pets, or small children, I would think keeping them inside when they are not under direct supervision would be wise.
Best of luck.
Regards,
Robert A[/quote]
Good post, Robert.
I would absolutely keep younger children away.
Very sad.
[quote]NikH wrote:
I cant believe you guys are scared of a 7-10 year old.
He probably saw some horror movie and is just bullying you since you are obviously so easily frightened.[/quote]
he’s old enough to start a fire or pull a trigger.
[quote]silverblood wrote:
[quote]NikH wrote:
I cant believe you guys are scared of a 7-10 year old.
He probably saw some horror movie and is just bullying you since you are obviously so easily frightened.[/quote]
he’s old enough to start a fire or pull a trigger.[/quote]
He’s also old enough to do things to a younger child that will fuck the younger child up forever.
But his risk to others notwithstanding, shouldn’t murder fantasies be taken seriously as an indication that the fantasizer is in profound distress of some sort?
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]silverblood wrote:
[quote]NikH wrote:
I cant believe you guys are scared of a 7-10 year old.
He probably saw some horror movie and is just bullying you since you are obviously so easily frightened.[/quote]
he’s old enough to start a fire or pull a trigger.[/quote]
He’s also old enough to do things to a younger child that will fuck the younger child up forever.
But his risk to others notwithstanding, shouldn’t murder fantasies be taken seriously as an indication that the fantasizer is in profound distress of some sort? [/quote]
absolutely!
Just shoot him and claim self defense like Zimmerman.
Or give him steroid advice.
In addition to what others have said, I would invest in a good home security/surveillance system. I know that this is just a kid, but if he does go off the deep end a bullet fired from a 10 year old will kill you the same as a bullet fired from a 30 year old and there is no guarantee that you will see him coming in time to react or even wake up or even be there for your girlfriend. It is better to be safe then sorry and if you set up a video surveillance system you can catch what he does on tape and hopefully it will lead to him getting some help before he goes all Michael Myers.
Ok, serious response…
Have you and or others tried just casually talking to the kid? Nothing really deep & or invasive, just a simple: ‘hi’, ‘how’s it goin’? etc
If I had to take a wild guess as to why this kid wrote ‘you will die’ on someone’s stoop, it’d probably go something like this: Introverted/awkward kid walks home & gets some verbal abuse & or rather blatant snickers from others kids & or even adults. Kid is likely already getting picked on at school, so, he fights back in perhaps the only way he can & or knows how to.
I know (& this really ties in with point number 2), kids around that age can often have an EXTREMELY strong, rigid sense of morality (just as VISCERALLY efficacious as any adult’s) only thing is of course, they are still a lil kid! So they don’t have the neccessary experience, emotional maturity & sense of proportion etc to counterbalance this rather unpolished sense of justice/right & wrong.
I remember when I was about 8 or so, I absolutely DESPISED a supply teacher I once had mostly because: A) I’d convinced myself she’d knocked my text book off my desk on purpose & B) Because she just always had a rather icy vibe about her. As easy it it is was to come to a more sensible conclusion at a later stage, at the time I was convinced she had it in for me. I’d gladly wager this kid feels more or less the same…just on a somewhat broader scale
[quote]silverblood wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]silverblood wrote:
[quote]NikH wrote:
I cant believe you guys are scared of a 7-10 year old.
He probably saw some horror movie and is just bullying you since you are obviously so easily frightened.[/quote]
he’s old enough to start a fire or pull a trigger.[/quote]
He’s also old enough to do things to a younger child that will fuck the younger child up forever.
But his risk to others notwithstanding, shouldn’t murder fantasies be taken seriously as an indication that the fantasizer is in profound distress of some sort? [/quote]
absolutely! [/quote]
Wow seriously, someones been watching too much TV.
I find it very telling that the kid’s father had the reaction that he did. Clearly, he knows there is something off about the child as well. As someone mentioned earlier though, he may not know what to DO about it…or he may not have the means to help the child. We are all financially strapped these days.
I doubt the child’s problems stem from a lack of parenting, or at least not from abuse. In my travels, I have met one or two children that were…for lack of a better term…born evil. Based on the small amount you have shared, it is entirely possible that the kid just honestly has something wrong with the way his brain is wired. It’s actually very sad, because no child WANTS to be born that way.
That doesn’t mean he doesn’t need help, though.
Likelihood is, at his age, he is probably scared about the thoughts going on in his mind. However, there are not many years left until he has the ability to act upon those thoughts. If your g/f has children, keep them away from this child, because he will likely lash out at a younger child first. If not, then your g/f is likely safe for now, due to his age. But, that’s a rapidly shrinking window, so you may want to consider moving.
Just my two cents.
[quote]NikH wrote:
[quote]silverblood wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]silverblood wrote:
[quote]NikH wrote:
I cant believe you guys are scared of a 7-10 year old.
He probably saw some horror movie and is just bullying you since you are obviously so easily frightened.[/quote]
he’s old enough to start a fire or pull a trigger.[/quote]
He’s also old enough to do things to a younger child that will fuck the younger child up forever.
But his risk to others notwithstanding, shouldn’t murder fantasies be taken seriously as an indication that the fantasizer is in profound distress of some sort? [/quote]
absolutely! [/quote]
Wow seriously, someones been watching too much TV.
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Or else works with mentally ill a/o victimized kids and knows that expressing aggression at this level is very rare for a kid this age. Does it mean he’s a killer? No. Does it mean his daddy is raping him? No. Does it mean that something is off somewhere? Yes. Maybe the kid is on the autism spectrum, so has an odd manner (“creepy”) and also watches too much TV or plays too many video games.
He could think it’s funny. If so, someone needs to check this behavior (reduce negative media, increase understanding of others’ reactions to implied threats).
See? I’m sort of thinking maybe YOU watch too much TV and are erroneously thinking that Children of the Corn just, like, crop up sometimes. They don’t.
[quote]mapwhap wrote:
I find it very telling that the kid’s father had the reaction that he did. Clearly, he knows there is something off about the child as well. As someone mentioned earlier though, he may not know what to DO about it…or he may not have the means to help the child. We are all financially strapped these days.
I doubt the child’s problems stem from a lack of parenting, or at least not from abuse. In my travels, I have met one or two children that were…for lack of a better term…born evil. Based on the small amount you have shared, it is entirely possible that the kid just honestly has something wrong with the way his brain is wired. It’s actually very sad, because no child WANTS to be born that way.
That doesn’t mean he doesn’t need help, though.
Likelihood is, at his age, he is probably scared about the thoughts going on in his mind. However, there are not many years left until he has the ability to act upon those thoughts. If your g/f has children, keep them away from this child, because he will likely lash out at a younger child first. If not, then your g/f is likely safe for now, due to his age. But, that’s a rapidly shrinking window, so you may want to consider moving.
Just my two cents.[/quote]
I think this is a big leap. Also, there are generally many avenues of help open to parents of children with emotional or mental health issues. Which isn’t a promise that something will work, but typically mental health services are available through the state as well as school district.
I think autism is as good a bet as psychosis, frankly. Probably better.
[quote]NikH wrote:
[quote]silverblood wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]silverblood wrote:
[quote]NikH wrote:
I cant believe you guys are scared of a 7-10 year old.
He probably saw some horror movie and is just bullying you since you are obviously so easily frightened.[/quote]
he’s old enough to start a fire or pull a trigger.[/quote]
He’s also old enough to do things to a younger child that will fuck the younger child up forever.
But his risk to others notwithstanding, shouldn’t murder fantasies be taken seriously as an indication that the fantasizer is in profound distress of some sort? [/quote]
absolutely! [/quote]
Wow seriously, someones been watching too much TV.
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Those child soldiers posted above are the most brutal killers on this planet.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]NikH wrote:
[quote]silverblood wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]silverblood wrote:
[quote]NikH wrote:
I cant believe you guys are scared of a 7-10 year old.
He probably saw some horror movie and is just bullying you since you are obviously so easily frightened.[/quote]
he’s old enough to start a fire or pull a trigger.[/quote]
He’s also old enough to do things to a younger child that will fuck the younger child up forever.
But his risk to others notwithstanding, shouldn’t murder fantasies be taken seriously as an indication that the fantasizer is in profound distress of some sort? [/quote]
absolutely! [/quote]
Wow seriously, someones been watching too much TV.
[/quote]
Those child soldiers posted above are the most brutal killers on this planet.
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First post over here.
I have no idea on what might actually be wrong with the kid, or how credible a threat he may be as an individual. All I will say on the subject is that a mate of mine, who is a scaffolder in his 20s, a 6’3, fit strong bloke, was stabbed by an 11 year old kid being initiated into a gang. This mate of mine spent 3 weeks in intensive care, was lucky to escape with his life, and has ongoing complications as a result of the attack.
Personally, a motivated kid is scarier to me in some ways than a motivated adult. I have dealt with some rough types, and I know how I go about handling them. If a solid looking scally looks to have a weapon, I make sure I have access to one. If they look like they could use it, I’ll use mine first. I’ll skip being reasonable and go straight to all out life or death aggression if that’s what it takes to survive. If a 10 year old kid comes at me looking for trouble, I don’t think I could honestly say I’d put what I know to be effective survival processes into action. I would likely underestimate the strength of his conviction, attempt to reason beyond the point where action is a better course of action, and I’d likely fail to apply a suitably aggressive physical response to the threat, again, because it’s ‘just a kid’.
In my experience, it’s bad decision making that gets you hurt, and often is a far more significant factor than size, strength, or even skill. Dealing with a small kid that is ready to kill sounds like a scenario ripe for bad decision making by an adult. It makes sense to take the threat seriously, and hope you’re overestimating the severity of the situation.
I don’t have time to reply to all of these just yet - some great and also funny-ass comments here, please keep them coming. I will try to address them later on as there have been a couple “developments” so to speak.
What I am happy about is that most folks think that I’m not overreacting. I don’t know much about kids, except what I remember from being one, so it’s hard for me to understand that psychological aspect of what’s normal and what’s not.
And for the one commenter that said they couldn’t believe people were scared of a 7-year-old - I’m not scared of a 7-year-old. I’m scared of the fucked up 14 or 17-year-old that’s much more capable and potentially much more violent
[quote]Chushin wrote:
I agree with the other (serious) posts.
Some of that sounds like real pathology, given his age.
No recommendations, as it seems that you guys are doing what can and should be done.
In the meantime, just keep your (and your girl’s) eyes open and stay vigilant. The movement that has begun to get this taken care of could precipitate a “spike” or worsening in his behavior. [/quote]
Thanks man. And yes, I was thinking that as well.
Either that, or he’s going to realize that he needs to hide it. Which may be worse.
[quote]GorillaMon wrote:
Ok, serious response…
I’ve waived to him when I get there, and my gf said that when he was younger, he would talk to her all the time - ask her to come out and play, tell her what he did in school, etc. A normal little kid pretty much.
Evidently it’s been the last two years that he’s started to slide into this introverted spiral, but it’s been quite a drastic dropoff. I’m wondering if he had a death in the family or something, because that’s a pretty big fall.
That being said, he did ask her about her dog, and she let him pet it the other day. She said he was good with the dog, and that it was the first time in a long time that she thought, “oh, maybe this kid isn’t so strange.”
Later that day, boom, “You will die” on the doorstep.
[quote]
2) If I had to take a wild guess as to why this kid wrote ‘you will die’ on someone’s stoop, it’d probably go something like this: Introverted/awkward kid walks home & gets some verbal abuse & or rather blatant snickers from others kids & or even adults. Kid is likely already getting picked on at school, so, he fights back in perhaps the only way he can & or knows how to.
I remember when I was about 8 or so, I absolutely DESPISED a supply teacher I once had mostly because: A) I’d convinced myself she’d knocked my text book off my desk on purpose & B) Because she just always had a rather icy vibe about her. As easy it it is was to come to a more sensible conclusion at a later stage, at the time I was convinced she had it in for me. I’d gladly wager this kid feels more or less the same…just on a somewhat broader scale[/quote]
I can’t understand why though, given the prior history of being very friendly.
Maybe the only thing I can think of is that I started dating her. I am wondering if there’s some misguided “Fear” type shit going on because he’s angry that she’s dating me.
[quote]mapwhap wrote:
I find it very telling that the kid’s father had the reaction that he did. Clearly, he knows there is something off about the child as well. As someone mentioned earlier though, he may not know what to DO about it…or he may not have the means to help the child. We are all financially strapped these days.
I doubt the child’s problems stem from a lack of parenting, or at least not from abuse. In my travels, I have met one or two children that were…for lack of a better term…born evil. Based on the small amount you have shared, it is entirely possible that the kid just honestly has something wrong with the way his brain is wired. It’s actually very sad, because no child WANTS to be born that way.
That doesn’t mean he doesn’t need help, though.
Likelihood is, at his age, he is probably scared about the thoughts going on in his mind. However, there are not many years left until he has the ability to act upon those thoughts. If your g/f has children, keep them away from this child, because he will likely lash out at a younger child first. If not, then your g/f is likely safe for now, due to his age. But, that’s a rapidly shrinking window, so you may want to consider moving.
Just my two cents.[/quote]
That’s pretty much the feeling I got. I don’t think at all that it’s bad parenting so to speak. They are normal folks as far as I can tell.
[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
First post over here.
I have no idea on what might actually be wrong with the kid, or how credible a threat he may be as an individual. All I will say on the subject is that a mate of mine, who is a scaffolder in his 20s, a 6’3, fit strong bloke, was stabbed by an 11 year old kid being initiated into a gang. This mate of mine spent 3 weeks in intensive care, was lucky to escape with his life, and has ongoing complications as a result of the attack.
Personally, a motivated kid is scarier to me in some ways than a motivated adult. I have dealt with some rough types, and I know how I go about handling them. If a solid looking scally looks to have a weapon, I make sure I have access to one. If they look like they could use it, I’ll use mine first. I’ll skip being reasonable and go straight to all out life or death aggression if that’s what it takes to survive. If a 10 year old kid comes at me looking for trouble, I don’t think I could honestly say I’d put what I know to be effective survival processes into action. I would likely underestimate the strength of his conviction, attempt to reason beyond the point where action is a better course of action, and I’d likely fail to apply a suitably aggressive physical response to the threat, again, because it’s ‘just a kid’.
In my experience, it’s bad decision making that gets you hurt, and often is a far more significant factor than size, strength, or even skill. Dealing with a small kid that is ready to kill sounds like a scenario ripe for bad decision making by an adult. It makes sense to take the threat seriously, and hope you’re overestimating the severity of the situation. [/quote]
This is a big part of the problem - I know how to deal with scumbags, but ADULT scumbags. A kid who may or may not have some serious mental issues is a game plan that I’ve never run into before.
