[quote]pushharder wrote:
I asked him why he opposes Christianity and creationism so fervently?[/quote]
Christianity has nothing to do with science.
Creationism is “opposed” (more aptly, “laughed at”) because it cannot back anything it proposes with evidence. It has a written-in-stone story and all the “research” consists in trying to fit scientific evidence to it, usually by mangling science until it’s unrecognizable.
Simple, no? Not too sharp, that Morris guy.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Speaking of anti-creationism and anti-ICR:
The Anti-Creationists
by Henry Morris, Ph.D.
Things are different now. There are hundreds of young-earth creation books that have been published in the past quarter-century. Most have been written by scientists, plus some by theologians and some by laymen. They cover the broad range from children’s books through college and seminary textbooks to technical monographs for scientists. Literally thousands of scientists now believe in six-day creation, and the global flood.[/quote]
Ugh the Steve fallacy yet again. Play another tape.
O Rly?:
"Where Do The Anti-Creationists Come From?
by John D. Morris, Ph.D.
After a recent, televised, creation/evolution debate with a well-known evolutionist, a scientist who has written several particularly venomous articles against Christianity in the journal, American Atheist, I asked him why he opposes Christianity and creationism so fervently? Having asked this same question to a number of such persons, I was not surprised by his reply.
He had grown up in a very religious Christian home and church, and throughout his teen years had accepted Scripture in its entirety and had intended to become a minister. Yet, he did not get answers to a number of questions. All it took was one course in evolution at a nearby formerly Christian college to cause him to abandon Christianity and adopt atheism, not only as his own view, but also as his life’s message.
His testimony is far from unique. A surprising number of this country’s leading atheists, humanists, and evolutionists are from evangelical Christian homes, but almost none were ever taught how to defend their faith in a confrontational environment, nor were they taught how to think along Biblical lines.
Our ICR books and messages have shown that creationism is foundational to all Christian doctrine and living. Neither Christianity as a whole nor individual Christians can remain strong against frontal attacks without a firm belief in supernatural creation. Until we understand that Jesus Christ is the Creator, we can never fully grasp the significance of His work of redemption. Unless we understand that He created the world in a sinless state, and that this state was lost by the rebellion of Adam, we can never understand our need for a Savior. "
Right, so it’s a science that can’t exist without accepting that Jesus Christ is a creator and redeemer. Push have you actually read these things you post? Morris is a self-contradicting buffoon.
I’ll echo the call for you to try and explain things in your own words too.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Fergy wrote:
These articles are hilarious, even though the levels of dishonesty are quite appalling.
Your drive-by shootings are equally appalling. Get in the game and dispute the articles, hoss. This standing on the sidelines with your megaphone wearing your pleated skirt is hilarious too.[/quote]
Why bother? If you lack the basic scientific knowledge required to recognize such babble as pure horeshit, I don’t see the point in trying to explain it to you. It would be like a brain surgeon lecturing to a burger flipper on cerebral aneurysms.
Stay strong with the shotgun method of simply posting as much horseshit as possible though, it’s working marvelously.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Flood Geology - “Polystrate Fossils Require Rapid Deposition”
http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/43/43_4/polystrate_fossils.htm [/quote]
Argh! Teh stupid, it burns.
Example of solid cretinist science:
…Many trees would float in a vertical position because of their heavy root ball (Coffin, 1983).
And 3 paragraphs later:
…Furthermore, the bottoms of some of the petrified trees showed no roots (Figures 15 and 16).
Which is it?
Other fun observations: Most of the references are to other creationists. I guess if cretin A references cretin B who then references cretin A again, it’ll look sciency. They also take observations from the effects of a volcanic eruption and apply them to explain a flood. Everyone knows that water is exactly like molten lava. And they’re still peddling their “vertical whale” story when such a whale has never been found; fact checking shows that a whale was found at an angle, but since the whole strata was also angled by that time, the whale was in fact parallel to the strata it was in.
Sigh.
[quote]Jab1 wrote:
Literally thousands of scientists now believe in six-day creation, and the global flood.[/quote]
Wow, thousands huh? Setting aside that the truth of something is not established by it’s popularity, a study by Robinson in 1995 showed that there were about 480,000 scientists working in earth and life sciences in the US, of which about 700 were creationists.
A whole 0.15%
A small enough number to be a statistical error.
I’ll refer push to project Steve again, a list of all the scientists named Steve who are “evolutionists”. Unsurprisingly there are more of them than all creationists put together.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I have used a lot of my own words on this thread.[/quote]
Yeah, for the boring jokes and lame comebacks. When it come to the actual, on-topic debate, you’ve got nothing.
Can’t explain something you don’t understand. We get it.
Although when even your fellow believers are dismissing your bullshit, one would think you’d eventually get a clue.
Flushy is responding to every message EXCEPT the one about the rootless trees with heavy root balls.
Typical.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Fergy wrote:
Stay strong with the shotgun method of simply posting as much horseshit as possible though, it’s working marvelously.
More whining. I have been whined at to cite references over and over again and when I comply the whining changes pitch and continues.
If the topics here don’t interest you, then MOVE ON.
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It’s not so much whining as being absolutely flabbergasted by the ‘ideas’ and ‘facts’ presented in the articles you have linked. I am also sort of saddened that there are people who fall for this kind of intellectual dishonesty, when all it takes to see through the hailstorm of misinformation is to simply pick up a textbook, and read it. When one of the authors cannot compute simple probabilities that any 8th grader can do easily, and then goes on further to assert that the probabilities he has come up with are the ‘correct’ ones, and that the ‘evolutionist scientists’ are wrong, you sort of begin questioning that person’s credibility, and ultimately in this case their motives.
The goal of creationists is to simply instill doubt about science amongst those who do not know any better to recognize their claims as what they are: complete horseshit.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Pookie wrote:
[Incessant whining]
…and the beat goes on. Quebecois Bandstand - live on T-Nation.[/quote]
…says, triumphant, the humping monkey who’s ideas are so stupid they got laughed out of Texas.
Have you considered moving to Turkey? Apparently, creationism is big over there. As a bonus, you could go looking for that imaginary Ark in the Ararat mountains.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I doubt you spent more than 30 seconds on any article.[/quote]
…which is about 25 seconds more than you should need to detect the bullshit.