I like this part:
“But wouldn’t it be just like Noah’s gracious God to make the job easier for him?”
Yeah, gracious God who’s busy murdering billions of living beings in his Flood will magically make Noah’s job easier. How nice of Him!
Pretty much says it all, no? Any difficulty encountered, any dead-end or unexplainable situation will be dealt with by saying “well, God willed it to be…”
Childish.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
“An idea is a greater monument than a cathedral.”
— Spencer Tracy in…
One of the most powerful scenes you’ll ever watch. Spencer Tracy is easily the greatest actor who ever lived.[/quote]
Cheers HeadHunter
typical
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Pook, I think you, I, and Jab should meet and arm-wrestle this thing out. Kansas City seems like a good venue. What do you say? [/quote]
Good idea. I’m not sure what I’ll wear though…
Should I go with my “Thank God I’m an Atheist” T-Shirt, or would my “Jesus was an Homo” one endear me more with the local primitives?
I don’t want to miss my chance at making a good first impression.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Something that has been mentioned frequently on this thread:
Speciation and the Animals on the Ark
by Daniel Criswell, Ph.D.*
…jaw-dropping lunacy…
This is…it’s…well, it’s enough to give religion a bad name.
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
This is…it’s…well, it’s enough to give religion a bad name.[/quote]
…
Where have you the oh say since the dawn of time.
Religion has always had a bad name, bunch of lunatics committed to an even more lunatic belief that someone or something created everything.
Sooner they get rid of religion the better mankind will be, that is if the world doesn’t end due to these relgious lunatics first.
Want something to believe in go to science, they can prove things, unlike religion where your supposed to believe in the un-believable purely because someone said so and now its taken as fact as so many people said it was so.
1st person who said God existed = Lunatic
1 million people say it = Fact
BUNCH OF LUNATICS
Current fashion top runner.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I think you should go with your “Thank God Jesus Loves Atheist Homos Like Me” shirt. The one you were wearing the other day in that pic that you PMed me.[/quote]
Yeah, thought about that one too, but I think it has too many words. It’s gonna be annoying if I have to stand motionless for half and hour for each yokel I meet.
[quote]DrSkeptix wrote:
pushharder wrote:
Something that has been mentioned frequently on this thread:
Speciation and the Animals on the Ark
by Daniel Criswell, Ph.D.*
…jaw-dropping lunacy…
This is…it’s…well, it’s enough to give religion a bad name.[/quote]
They get to make you “professor”.
Yippee!
And just because i feel so badly for these lunatics im going to attempt to get them to see the light (some hope)
The arguments and evidence put forward in support of God so far are starting to repeat themselves. Im somewhat disappointed in the limited range of ideas so far. A quick summary:
The universe is amazing so God must have made it (ahem)
We have morals so God must have given them to us (?)
The bible says god exists (Koran etc etc)
You might go to hell if you are wrong - so you had better believe in god
I have heaps of faith, so god must exist
The bible is very old so god must exist
God is the simplest explanation for everything, so he must exist
You dont know how everything works so god must exist
Nothing can be proved 100% so God must exist
You cant prove god doesnt exist, therefore he does exist (HA)
Now look at this in Texas
http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2009/03/texas_creationism_losers_win.html
My goodness next they will vote to ban Evolution.
It is a worrying time for America that the Far Right are gaining more and more control, your seperation of Church and State seems to be more and more eroded.
Soon we will have Islamic Fundamentalists (Aka Middle East) v Christian Fundamentalists (USA)
Just a little worrying.
Google maps informs me that KC is a 21 hour drive. Getting back is another 21… add to that the probable 48 hours in jail for snapping your limps wrists. Doesn’t seem quite worth the time.
The Creation Museum is only 13 hours away. I suggest we use that venue instead, so that I may educate a whole sorry lot of you at one go.
Later we can go drinking and stealing Gideons from the local hotel rooms.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Doc, I just had the most amazingly phenomenal notion! Since you live in the same metro area as this Criswell feller, why don’t YOUUUUUUU, the master of skepticism (by your very screen name) swing by ICR’s headquarters, just up the road from you in Santee, and straighten him out?
You could do a little field trip there like I did about 17 years ago. Then you could report back to this thread. You could relate how you found this bevy of flunkie scientists hanging out there with their stuffed dinosaur dolls and and how you looked into their eyes and could see that their rockers had indeed been pulled out from under them.
I’m serious. Do it. I’m sure ol’ Penta-Jab and Pook the Priest and I would ecstatically await the results of your visit. Take pictures and everything. It just might be fun.
Will you do it?[/quote]
No.
I long ago learned the most important fact in psychiatry: insanity is not supposed to be an infectious disease.
And the reason is plain. The same reason I chose, pages ago, not to argue with you, someone I respect. You are not insane. But you have core beliefs and I do not need to detract from them.
If Dr. Criswell chooses to mangle and select science, that is fine. But, really, has he (among the other Flood-o-philes) chosen to forget that there were not 2 of every animal, but 7 of the clean variety? The ark must have had room for Jabs’ million beetles as well as 7 of each even-toed ungulate, but only 2 rabbits. Oh rabbits, for those who believe in the scientific inerrancy of the Holy Bible, must be cud chewing animals, as they are so identified in Leviticus, even if no rabbit in 6000 years has regurgitated from any of 4 stomachs.
So Dr Criswell and others do a disservice to the Bible.
A disservice to science is a less important matter. If the Floodophiles which you, Friend Push, have cited would be right, the continents would be skittering around like Nascar entrants, the Flood would have precipitated limestone in precisely overlapping eras, in 40 days, and the Creator, taking notice of planned arrangement of fossils, would have to perform acts of creation, several million times, since in the fossil record so many species exist and so few were present “at the creation.”
Surely the folks up in Santee could argue each of my points, and the elaborate construct of mutually antagonist post-hoc theories and false premises would truly be astounding. But in so doing, they do violence to the very thing they choose to protect: faith.
If one believes that there was an Intelligent Designer, and one believes in the inerrancy of the literal Bible, then God alone is the ID, and one can’t manufacture theories that depart from the literalness of Genesis: no concocted theories of C14 kinetics, plate tectonics, magic transports of marsupials, etc.etc.