Creationism vs Evolution

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Aragorn wrote:
pushharder wrote:
BetaBerry wrote:

Well, I did mention a few pages ago how catholics tend to have a figurative interpretation of the bible, as opposed to a more literal one. Which is why this whole discussion simply amazes me. Growing up in a nun’s school, creation was for religion classes, and evolution for biology classes.

So how do girls who grow up catholic in nun’s schools reconcile their religion and their biology?

School girl skirts in the bedroom, that’s how. Bam! Problem solved.

betaberry, would you mind indulging Mr. Aragorn and me with a betaberry schoolgirl pic, please? If you do so I will concede to kneel on my prayer mat, face the Galapagos Islands three times a day and pray.[/quote]

hear hear! I don’t have a prayer mat, but I could lay a blanket out on the floor if that’s an acceptable substitute…

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[quote]miroku333 wrote:
Makavali wrote:
IrishSteel wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
I see no need to compare magic to science.

Regardless, nice acting.

right, you know, I mean what was Darwin thinking? Sheesh - animals magically transitioning from one species to another without leaving any inter-stage hybrid-species to be found.

Surprised the hell out of the first wombat when it morphed into the kangaroo - it tried and tried to get its mate to let it back in the den - but noooo - no magically-changed roo was getting into her bed no matter how big his feet were . . . .

I am seriously insane - I need meds . . .

I’m pretty sure evolution didn’t happen overnight.

that’s where it gets a bit sticky, if it didn’t happen in leaps from one species to the next, such as an archeopteryx laying eggs that hatched as hawks or condors or something, then where are the intermediate species?

natural selection does take place however, survival of the fittest and such. within a species, those that have phenotypes that are best adapted to their environment pass on the genetic predispositions to their offspring. I’m not agreeing with the idea that genotypes ever modify favorably however.

I haven’t presented these statements to change anyone’s mind, just to explain why I hold to my particular stance :)[/quote]

The fact that our understanding of how lifeforms evolve is “sticky” is not a reason to invent some magical fairy-tale character to fill in the gaps.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Jmaths117 wrote:

The fact that our understanding of how lifeforms evolve is “sticky” is not a reason to invent some magical fairy-tale character to fill in the gaps.

Excellent post. Let there be NO fairy tale inventions. None. Including the one that says the impossible actually happened.[/quote]

Which one says that?

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[quote]Jmaths117 wrote:
The fact that our understanding of how lifeforms evolve is “sticky” is not a reason to invent some magical fairy-tale character to fill in the gaps.[/quote]

I missed a class in biology. Can you fill me in and tell me how a genome manifests itself in a trait?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

no i don’t!! i think every single country and state should have a capitol!

and betaberry, i only get red-faced around purty girls, mainly the ones from brasil and kansas city.

(i feel really hip typing without capitals, I mean capitols)[/quote]

Oh, push, I didn’t think you’d go for that one, but you did, huh? This is kinda disappointing. We’re having an argument, mostly (I’d say what, 99% of it?) in English, and yet you catch me on my little spell mistake, eh? I’ll take that as a compliment though, and read it as a sign that you find my English fluency so nearly perfect, you feel you can tease me for a silly typo like you would anybody else. Or would you?

[quote]pushharder wrote:
BetaBerry wrote:

Well, I did mention a few pages ago how catholics tend to have a figurative interpretation of the bible, as opposed to a more literal one. Which is why this whole discussion simply amazes me. Growing up in a nun’s school, creation was for religion classes, and evolution for biology classes.

So how do girls who grow up catholic in nun’s schools reconcile their religion and their biology?

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Religion and biology and two different, non-exclusive things. That is, a person might have a great knowledge of biology, and yet be very religious. There’s no need to chose, and one is not a good reason to deny the other. Biology has nothing to do with the reasons why I began to question religion.

[quote]pushharder wrote:

School girl skirts in the bedroom, that’s how. Bam! Problem solved.

betaberry, would you mind indulging Mr. Aragorn and me with a betaberry schoolgirl pic, please? If you do so I will concede to kneel on my prayer mat, face the Galapagos Islands three times a day and pray.[/quote]

Oh, I could. I have the pic, pigtails and everything.

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[quote]borrek wrote:
Jmaths117 wrote:
The fact that our understanding of how lifeforms evolve is “sticky” is not a reason to invent some magical fairy-tale character to fill in the gaps.

I missed a class in biology. Can you fill me in and tell me how a genome manifests itself in a trait?
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Well, a whole genome doesn’t, but a group of genes expressed in combination for a certain amount of time, does. For example growing long legs as a trait can easily be achieved by having the growth regulating genes stay on for longer, or the gene for growth hormone receptors be expressed at a higher level, or the plate fusion genes can be delayed etc. etc. Many traits are actually quite simple extensions of standard processes.

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[quote]borrek wrote:
Jmaths117 wrote:
The fact that our understanding of how lifeforms evolve is “sticky” is not a reason to invent some magical fairy-tale character to fill in the gaps.

I missed a class in biology. Can you fill me in and tell me how a genome manifests itself in a trait?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

I love to tease pretty girls. No way would I pass on an opportunity. It helps me get their attention…and then I can begin my secret plan… [/quote]

curious

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Actually, I am amazed and impressed at how proficient your English is. My Portuguese is almost as good…kinda…barely…not at all, really. That’s why I need you to speak to me in pictures… [/quote]

Or I can just speak to you in English! Much easier!

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Tell me how Catholicism can be inclusive of a thought process that includes millions of years of death (evolution) before Man came along. You see, in Catholicism as well as Protestantism, death, and I believe the law of entropy as well, is a result of Man’s sin. And Man’s sin produces the requisite for a Redeemer. The Redeemer is who Catholics presume to worship, right? So if the Redeemer was on an empty mission, i.e., there was no doggone redeeming that needed doing, then what the heck are Catholics up to? [/quote]

I’m sorry, I really didn’t get this part or what you’re trying to say here.

Catholicism is a much older religion than Protestantism, and has learned (the hard way), not to go too strongly against science, given that science usually turns out to be right, sooner or later. Think of Galileu.

And yes, Catholics believe in the Redeemer, and all that guilt trip stuff of how He saved us and stuff. I don’t see how that relates to evolution. I mean, how we came to exist doesn’t really matter, we’re still all sinners and that’s why God sent Christ to redeem us. In fact, if I think of it from that angle, why would God have created humans only so that they would turn out so bad?

[quote]pushharder wrote:
You have my full and undivided attention and I’m sure that of my brother Aragorn. You can post it here, PM us, or we could even do the webcam thing? Orrrrrrrr, since my bud, Sir Aragorn the Lion Hearted, is coming to Montana to visit me maybe we could coordinate a “BB Does Montana” summer festival of some sort or the other? (Yes, you can bring your husband…Meesuspush wants to know how good-lookin he is)
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Doesn’t that sound like fun? I do sorta regret mentioning webcams on another thread now. Apparently I’ve raised the question that I don’t really look like in my avatar. Maybe we should all meet in Montana to clear up any doubts.

“BB Does Montana” is not that creative of a title. It’s pretty old too. :stuck_out_tongue:

On a completely unrelated topic: I’m pretty happy right now, just got my first job here in the States. :slight_smile:

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[quote]pushharder wrote:

You have my full and undivided attention and I’m sure that of my brother Aragorn. You can post it here, PM us, or we could even do the webcam thing? Orrrrrrrr, since my bud, Sir Aragorn the Lion Hearted, is coming to Montana to visit me maybe we could coordinate a “BB Does Montana” summer festival of some sort or the other? (Yes, you can bring your husband…Meesuspush wants to know how good-lookin he is)

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I would be more than happy to swing by KC on my bike and pick you up Berry. But I only have one seat on the back of my cruiser, and I’d have to leave the husband behind. Hmmm…an impasse.

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…oh no, what’s this?

Complete Primate Skeleton from the Middle Eocene of Messel in Germany: Morphology and Paleobiology

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
ephrem wrote:
…oh no, what’s this?

Complete Primate Skeleton from the Middle Eocene of Messel in Germany: Morphology and Paleobiology

Wow! A primate skeleton! Yeah? What about it?

What’s next? Evidence of an extinct bird? Dodo - Wikipedia [/quote]

It’s further proof to evolution.

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
ephrem wrote:
…oh no, what’s this?

Complete Primate Skeleton from the Middle Eocene of Messel in Germany: Morphology and Paleobiology

Wow! A primate skeleton! Yeah? What about it?

What’s next? Evidence of an extinct bird? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo[/quote]

It’s further proof to evolution.